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On 5/8/2013 8:12 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/8/13 7:45 AM, Tim wrote:
On May 8, 12:45 am, wrote:

At this point we should just let the court decide this.

That's what I've been saying all along.



Might be a more fair trial if it were held in a state not so gun crazy.

What's gun crazy about it?

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says...

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:15:18 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...



On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:24:35 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:





His uncle doesn't have property in that sub division.



Wasn't it his fathers girlfriend who actually onwed the property. Trayvon's daddy was



shacking up with some chick.



I suppose THAT makes Martin guilty?



Just another piece of information.



Relevant how?



In that he was in a neighborhood where he was not known. He was a stranger in the area, reportedly acting in a suspicious way. That's how.



So he should die, eh?

Nah, and I never said that. You know that. I just showed you how the aforementioned info (that you questioned) was relevant. There is no doubt it will be explored in court.

He died because when he confronted Zimmerman, he attacked him instead of saying "I'm headed down to Miss XX's house, where my dad is shacking up with her, and I'm visiting". That was an unfortunate choice, and ended up costing him his life.

Meeting a question with force isn't always the best answer.

Please show proof of the wild unfounded allegations above.

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In article ,
says...

On 5/7/13 2:49 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article , says...

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:24:35 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


His uncle doesn't have property in that sub division.

Wasn't it his fathers girlfriend who actually onwed the property. Trayvon's daddy was

shacking up with some chick.

I suppose THAT makes Martin guilty?

Just another piece of information.

Relevant how?

In that he was in a neighborhood where he was not known. He was a stranger in the area, reportedly acting in a suspicious way. That's how.

Bingo! I know who the little ******* hoodlums in my neighborhood are.

So you're going to kill them? And what about a stranger in your
neighborhood, how would you know that HE was a "hoodlum"? An awful lot
has been said right here in rec.boats that the kid had a "past". How did
Zimmerman know about his past, unless Zimmerman knew who he was?



Zimmerman was the one with the past, with several incompletely
prosecuted incidents of violence, including one against a woman.

It doesn't matter, FOX told them differently! It's called hypocritical.
You know, like Sanford, newly elected. It's okay for a right winger to
have an affair, but if a liberal does, they call him un-Godly, anti-
Christian, not fit for office, and on and on.

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In article ,
says...

On 5/7/2013 5:06 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

In article ,
says...

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:24:35 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


His uncle doesn't have property in that sub division.

Wasn't it his fathers girlfriend who actually onwed the property. Trayvon's daddy was

shacking up with some chick.

I suppose THAT makes Martin guilty?

Just another piece of information.

Relevant how?

In that he was in a neighborhood where he was not known. He was a stranger in the area, reportedly acting in a suspicious way. That's how.

So he should die, eh?

He died as a result of an altercation with an armed citizen. Martin thought he was going to
beat down some guy and he ended up dying for his efforts.



Yup...

Prove it.

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In article ,
says...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:49:31 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

How did
Zimmerman know about his past, unless Zimmerman knew who he was?

====

He didn't need to know. Anyone walking aimlessly through a
neighborhood and looking into cars is immediately suspect. That is
usually criminal behavior and it's easy to spot.

So, everyone should shoot and kill anybody walking (NOT aimlessly)
through a neighborhood turning his head toward cars (allegedly). Got it.

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In article ,
says...

On 5/7/2013 6:28 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/7/13 6:24 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:49:31 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

How did
Zimmerman know about his past, unless Zimmerman knew who he was?

====

He didn't need to know. Anyone walking aimlessly through a
neighborhood and looking into cars is immediately suspect. That is
usually criminal behavior and it's easy to spot.


There's no evidence the young man was doing anything other than talking
on a cell phone and carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Zimmerman,
on the other hand, has a recorded history of violence.

And so the kid's "history of violence" is hidden by the law, seems it
couldn't hide from lady justice...

So, just remember, if your kid is walking through a neighborhood and
isn't recognized, you'd except that if someone shot her dead, right?

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In article ,
says...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:50:04 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Was it profiling or common sense that drew Zimms attention to the young
fella peering into car windows.

Common bigotry. It's the right wing way!

====

I disagree with that. I have called the cops on white kids who were
acting in exactly the same way. Suspicious behavior is what it is
and totally color blind.

Yeah, you did the right thing, you called the cops, you didn't kill the
kids.

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On Wed, 8 May 2013 09:12:30 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:49:31 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

How did
Zimmerman know about his past, unless Zimmerman knew who he was?

====

He didn't need to know. Anyone walking aimlessly through a
neighborhood and looking into cars is immediately suspect. That is
usually criminal behavior and it's easy to spot.

So, everyone should shoot and kill anybody walking (NOT aimlessly)
through a neighborhood turning his head toward cars (allegedly). Got it.

===

That's nonsense of course but you seem to have your mind made up
already, so what's the point of discussing it? Most importantly, the
courts will ultimately decide regardless of our opinions.

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In article ,
says...

On Wed, 8 May 2013 09:12:30 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:49:31 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

How did
Zimmerman know about his past, unless Zimmerman knew who he was?

====

He didn't need to know. Anyone walking aimlessly through a
neighborhood and looking into cars is immediately suspect. That is
usually criminal behavior and it's easy to spot.

So, everyone should shoot and kill anybody walking (NOT aimlessly)
through a neighborhood turning his head toward cars (allegedly). Got it.

===

That's nonsense of course but you seem to have your mind made up
already, so what's the point of discussing it? Most importantly, the
courts will ultimately decide regardless of our opinions.

That's what happened!

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On 5/8/13 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 08:12:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 7:45 AM, Tim wrote:
On May 8, 12:45 am, wrote:

At this point we should just let the court decide this.

That's what I've been saying all along.



Might be a more fair trial if it were held in a state not so gun crazy.

Why do you think it won't be fair?
Don't you believe the defendant is innocent until proven guilty?


In the legal system, I believe defendants are innocent unless proved
guilty. I don't have much confidence, however, in the legal system in a
state that encourages and sanctions "stand your ground" homicides, as
Florida does.

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On 5/8/13 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:09:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 08:12:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Might be a more fair trial if it were held in a state not so gun crazy.

Why do you think it won't be fair?
Don't you believe the defendant is innocent until proven guilty?


In the legal system, I believe defendants are innocent unless proved
guilty. I don't have much confidence, however, in the legal system in a
state that encourages and sanctions "stand your ground" homicides, as
Florida does.

So you think someone should take a potentially deadly beating and not
be able to defend himself?

Instead you live in a "retreat" state where you could be charged for
shooting an intruder in your own home if there was any possibility
that you might have been able to escape.
Before you opine, know that a friend of mine did 7 years in the
Maryland prison system for killing an intruder ... because he had an
opportunity to run out the door.


I believe Zimmerman initiated the fight and when it got out of hand, he
ran to his truck and got his pistol.

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On 5/8/13 12:45 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/8/13 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:09:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 08:12:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Might be a more fair trial if it were held in a state not so gun
crazy.

Why do you think it won't be fair?
Don't you believe the defendant is innocent until proven guilty?


In the legal system, I believe defendants are innocent unless proved
guilty. I don't have much confidence, however, in the legal system in a
state that encourages and sanctions "stand your ground" homicides, as
Florida does.

So you think someone should take a potentially deadly beating and not
be able to defend himself?

Instead you live in a "retreat" state where you could be charged for
shooting an intruder in your own home if there was any possibility
that you might have been able to escape.
Before you opine, know that a friend of mine did 7 years in the
Maryland prison system for killing an intruder ... because he had an
opportunity to run out the door.


I believe Zimmerman initiated the fight and when it got out of hand, he
ran to his truck and got his pistol.

Oh, part the second:

I'm not concerned about being prosecuted for shooting a home invader.

If some psychoscotty breaks in here at night, the break-in will be on
video, and the intruder will get exactly what he deserves.

I'm not concerned about being attacked while I walk through the
neighborhood. I do it all the time, day and night, and I've even seen
teen-agers I don't actually know walking around, too. Some of them are
racial minorities and some are carrying snacks. I say "hi," and they say
"hi," back. I don't carry my concealed firearm during these walks.

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In article ,
says...

On Wed, 08 May 2013 08:12:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 7:45 AM, Tim wrote:
On May 8, 12:45 am, wrote:

At this point we should just let the court decide this.

That's what I've been saying all along.



Might be a more fair trial if it were held in a state not so gun crazy.

Why do you think it won't be fair?
Don't you believe the defendant is innocent until proven guilty?

Doesn't matter. The gun crazies are just that. They will do what it
takes to make Zimmerman look like the innocent victim whether he is or
isn't. It's called having an agenda, just like the far left wingers have
one as well, and that's to make Zimmerman look like a cold hearted
killer at all costs.

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In article ,
says...

On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:09:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 08:12:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Might be a more fair trial if it were held in a state not so gun crazy.

Why do you think it won't be fair?
Don't you believe the defendant is innocent until proven guilty?


In the legal system, I believe defendants are innocent unless proved
guilty. I don't have much confidence, however, in the legal system in a
state that encourages and sanctions "stand your ground" homicides, as
Florida does.

So you think someone should take a potentially deadly beating and not
be able to defend himself?

You have NO idea whether that is what happened or not. You are going to
say what FOX tells you to say, that Zimmerman was a darling, great
citizen and that Martin no business being there, despite the truth.

Instead you live in a "retreat" state where you could be charged for
shooting an intruder in your own home if there was any possibility
that you might have been able to escape.
Before you opine, know that a friend of mine did 7 years in the
Maryland prison system for killing an intruder ... because he had an
opportunity to run out the door.

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On Wed, 8 May 2013 10:10:49 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:50:04 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Was it profiling or common sense that drew Zimms attention to the young
fella peering into car windows.

Common bigotry. It's the right wing way!

====

I disagree with that. I have called the cops on white kids who were
acting in exactly the same way. Suspicious behavior is what it is
and totally color blind.

Yeah, you did the right thing, you called the cops, you didn't kill the
kids.

===

Yes, but it's easy to envision a scenario where things could have gone
down quite differently. Suppose one of the kids had started to
physically break into a car and the police had not yet arrived. Would
you stand by passively or would you attempt to intervene? If you
intervene in any way you run the risk of attack. If attacked, would
you defend yourself?

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On 5/8/13 1:25 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 8 May 2013 10:10:49 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:50:04 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Was it profiling or common sense that drew Zimms attention to the young
fella peering into car windows.

Common bigotry. It's the right wing way!

====

I disagree with that. I have called the cops on white kids who were
acting in exactly the same way. Suspicious behavior is what it is
and totally color blind.

Yeah, you did the right thing, you called the cops, you didn't kill the
kids.

===

Yes, but it's easy to envision a scenario where things could have gone
down quite differently. Suppose one of the kids had started to
physically break into a car and the police had not yet arrived. Would
you stand by passively or would you attempt to intervene? If you
intervene in any way you run the risk of attack. If attacked, would
you defend yourself?


In the civilized world, you're not supposed to use deadly force to stop
property damage or theft. The best thing to do when someone is stealing
a car and you are observing the theft is to get a terrific description
of the perpetrator so you can give it to the police.

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On 5/8/13 2:15 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:45:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 12:38 PM, wrote:


So you think someone should take a potentially deadly beating and not
be able to defend himself?

Instead you live in a "retreat" state where you could be charged for
shooting an intruder in your own home if there was any possibility
that you might have been able to escape.
Before you opine, know that a friend of mine did 7 years in the
Maryland prison system for killing an intruder ... because he had an
opportunity to run out the door.


I believe Zimmerman initiated the fight and when it got out of hand, he
ran to his truck and got his pistol.

It is clear that you have not actually been paying much attention to
it then. That is inconsistent with every version of the story that is
out there. (The girl friend, the police and Zimmerman himself)



Fights can be initiated with words.

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On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:06:39 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 1:25 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 8 May 2013 10:10:49 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:50:04 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Was it profiling or common sense that drew Zimms attention to the young
fella peering into car windows.

Common bigotry. It's the right wing way!

====

I disagree with that. I have called the cops on white kids who were
acting in exactly the same way. Suspicious behavior is what it is
and totally color blind.

Yeah, you did the right thing, you called the cops, you didn't kill the
kids.

===

Yes, but it's easy to envision a scenario where things could have gone
down quite differently. Suppose one of the kids had started to
physically break into a car and the police had not yet arrived. Would
you stand by passively or would you attempt to intervene? If you
intervene in any way you run the risk of attack. If attacked, would
you defend yourself?


In the civilized world, you're not supposed to use deadly force to stop
property damage or theft. The best thing to do when someone is stealing
a car and you are observing the theft is to get a terrific description
of the perpetrator so you can give it to the police.


====

That's not the scenario I raised. If you observed someone breaking
into your house or vehicle, would you confront them? If you do
confront them, you run the risk of attack. If attacked, would you
defend yourself?

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On 5/8/13 2:22 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:56:08 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 12:45 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Oh, part the second:

I'm not concerned about being prosecuted for shooting a home invader.

I hope you can raise the $200 grand Zimmerman needed


If some psychoscotty breaks in here at night, the break-in will be on
video, and the intruder will get exactly what he deserves.

You better hope the cops don't see an escape route you could have
taken.


I'm not concerned about being attacked while I walk through the
neighborhood. I do it all the time, day and night, and I've even seen
teen-agers I don't actually know walking around, too. Some of them are
racial minorities and some are carrying snacks. I say "hi," and they say
"hi," back. I don't carry my concealed firearm during these walks.

Same here. The big difference everyone here still keeps ignoring is
you and I are on a public street. Zimmerman was on private property
where the owner (the HOA) had given some authority to ask questions
and he had every right to question a stranger being there.
Would you be as calm about asking those teenagers why they were
hanging around in your back yard? What if one attacked you when you
asked "what are you doing here"? That was supposed to be the last
words spoken by Zimmerman before the fight started if you believe the
girl friend.



Actually, my little street is a non-county, "private" street. The street
leading to it is public. The land developer got away with this so he
wouldn't have to pave it, but everyone agreed to stall the closings
until he agreed to pay to pave it. Our street is a bit narrower than the
county street. Ahh, local politics.

I've seen teenagers in our backyard, trying to chase down their
"escaped" dog.

At one point I talked to the actual sheriff and a county prosecutor
about home invaders. I wasn't told anything about defending us here that
conflicted with their statements. This isn't one of your ultra-rich,
ultra-white SW Florida enclaves...if someone breaks in at night, it
either is a psychoscotty or a druggie looking for goods to sell.

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On 5/8/13 2:23 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:06:39 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 1:25 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 8 May 2013 10:10:49 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:50:04 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Was it profiling or common sense that drew Zimms attention to the young
fella peering into car windows.

Common bigotry. It's the right wing way!

====

I disagree with that. I have called the cops on white kids who were
acting in exactly the same way. Suspicious behavior is what it is
and totally color blind.

Yeah, you did the right thing, you called the cops, you didn't kill the
kids.

===

Yes, but it's easy to envision a scenario where things could have gone
down quite differently. Suppose one of the kids had started to
physically break into a car and the police had not yet arrived. Would
you stand by passively or would you attempt to intervene? If you
intervene in any way you run the risk of attack. If attacked, would
you defend yourself?


In the civilized world, you're not supposed to use deadly force to stop
property damage or theft. The best thing to do when someone is stealing
a car and you are observing the theft is to get a terrific description
of the perpetrator so you can give it to the police.


====

That's not the scenario I raised. If you observed someone breaking
into your house or vehicle, would you confront them? If you do
confront them, you run the risk of attack. If attacked, would you
defend yourself?



If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my time
getting a good description of the perp. If someone was breaking into the
house and we were home, I'd consider the perp a home invader and act
accordingly.

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In article ,
says...

On Wed, 8 May 2013 13:22:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

So you think someone should take a potentially deadly beating and not
be able to defend himself?

You have NO idea whether that is what happened or not. You are going to
say what FOX tells you to say, that Zimmerman was a darling, great
citizen and that Martin no business being there, despite the truth.


Have you read the police report?

It is a public record

Yes, I have. And in it the police make no mention of a "deadly beating".
There is a LOT of hearsay in it from Zimmerman, though. And I guess, if
you take a KNOWN liar's word just because FOX tells you to, that's your
downfall.

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In article ,
says...

On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:45:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 12:38 PM, wrote:


So you think someone should take a potentially deadly beating and not
be able to defend himself?

Instead you live in a "retreat" state where you could be charged for
shooting an intruder in your own home if there was any possibility
that you might have been able to escape.
Before you opine, know that a friend of mine did 7 years in the
Maryland prison system for killing an intruder ... because he had an
opportunity to run out the door.


I believe Zimmerman initiated the fight and when it got out of hand, he
ran to his truck and got his pistol.

It is clear that you have not actually been paying much attention to
it then. That is inconsistent with every version of the story that is
out there. (The girl friend, the police and Zimmerman himself)

The police didn't see it, how could THEY make judgment? The girlfriend
said that the kid simply asked why Zimmerman was following him.
Zimmerman gave a lot of hearsay, but then he's a known liar.

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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 8 May 2013 09:12:30 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:49:31 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

How did
Zimmerman know about his past, unless Zimmerman knew who he was?

====

He didn't need to know. Anyone walking aimlessly through a
neighborhood and looking into cars is immediately suspect. That
is
usually criminal behavior and it's easy to spot.

So, everyone should shoot and kill anybody walking (NOT aimlessly)
through a neighborhood turning his head toward cars (allegedly).
Got it.

===

That's nonsense of course but you seem to have your mind made up
already, so what's the point of discussing it? Most importantly,
the
courts will ultimately decide regardless of our opinions.

That's what happened!

-------------------------------------------------------

If you are an eye witness to this I'd suggest you immediately contact
the attorneys involved and offer your testimony.
If you are not an eye witness, then your assumptions are pure
speculation.

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On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 3:59:05 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message

...



In article ,

says...



On Wed, 8 May 2013 09:12:30 -0400, iBoaterer

wrote:



In article ,

says...



On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:49:31 -0400, iBoaterer

wrote:



How did

Zimmerman know about his past, unless Zimmerman knew who he was?



====



He didn't need to know. Anyone walking aimlessly through a

neighborhood and looking into cars is immediately suspect. That

is

usually criminal behavior and it's easy to spot.



So, everyone should shoot and kill anybody walking (NOT aimlessly)

through a neighborhood turning his head toward cars (allegedly).

Got it.



===



That's nonsense of course but you seem to have your mind made up

already, so what's the point of discussing it? Most importantly,

the

courts will ultimately decide regardless of our opinions.



That's what happened!



-------------------------------------------------------



If you are an eye witness to this I'd suggest you immediately contact

the attorneys involved and offer your testimony.

If you are not an eye witness, then your assumptions are pure

speculation.

As are yours.

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On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 3:59:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:


The autopsy showed Martin had banged up fists and no other injuries
but a bullet hole in his chest. We have seen the pictures of
Zimmerman's face and the back of his head. I suppose you and Sharpton
can explain that another way but it sure sounds like a beating to me.

Zimmerman was using his face to bang up Martin's knuckles.

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In article ,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 8 May 2013 09:12:30 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:49:31 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

How did
Zimmerman know about his past, unless Zimmerman knew who he was?

====

He didn't need to know. Anyone walking aimlessly through a
neighborhood and looking into cars is immediately suspect. That
is
usually criminal behavior and it's easy to spot.

So, everyone should shoot and kill anybody walking (NOT aimlessly)
through a neighborhood turning his head toward cars (allegedly).
Got it.

===

That's nonsense of course but you seem to have your mind made up
already, so what's the point of discussing it? Most importantly,
the
courts will ultimately decide regardless of our opinions.

That's what happened!

-------------------------------------------------------

If you are an eye witness to this I'd suggest you immediately contact
the attorneys involved and offer your testimony.
If you are not an eye witness, then your assumptions are pure
speculation.

That's my point exactly! I'm no more a witness to it than Greg, BAR or
FOX news!

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In article ,
says...

On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:17:28 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 2:15 PM, wrote:

It is clear that you have not actually been paying much attention to
it then. That is inconsistent with every version of the story that is
out there. (The girl friend, the police and Zimmerman himself)



Fights can be initiated with words.

Not legally, particularly where you live.

If we are to believe the statement from the girl friend who was on the
phone at the time, the words were
"Why are you following me" (martin)
"What are you doing here" (Unknown person, to her, presumably
Zimmerman)
and the fight started.

Again, this was a representative of the HOA asking a stranger what he
was doing on private property. He could have, as easily, been a guy
from Wackenhut. I imagine Martin would have hit him too.

Would you ask someone what they were doing in your driveway if they
were looking into your car? Would you defend yourself if they knocked
you to the ground, broke your nose and banged your head on the
concrete? Evidence of those injuries is undisputed, the cops have
pictures.

If a man comes chases me because I'm walking at night and accosts me, he
certainly would be in for a fight!

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In article ,
says...

On Wed, 8 May 2013 15:02:23 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:45:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I believe Zimmerman initiated the fight and when it got out of hand, he
ran to his truck and got his pistol.

It is clear that you have not actually been paying much attention to
it then. That is inconsistent with every version of the story that is
out there. (The girl friend, the police and Zimmerman himself)

The police didn't see it, how could THEY make judgment? The girlfriend
said that the kid simply asked why Zimmerman was following him.
Zimmerman gave a lot of hearsay, but then he's a known liar.

If you keep going with the girl friends's story, Zimmerman asked "What
are you doing here" and the fight started.
Presumably Martin's answer to that question was a punch in the face.

The autopsy showed Martin had banged up fists and no other injuries
but a bullet hole in his chest. We have seen the pictures of
Zimmerman's face and the back of his head. I suppose you and Sharpton
can explain that another way but it sure sounds like a beating to me.

So, I guess that if a stranger comes running up to you in the middle of
the night, you'd just let him do whatever he wants to you? Hell yes, he
was fighting for his life, a thug had accosted him with a gun.

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wrote in message
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On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 3:59:05 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message

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In article ,

says...



On Wed, 8 May 2013 09:12:30 -0400, iBoaterer

wrote:



In article ,

says...



On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:49:31 -0400, iBoaterer

wrote:



How did

Zimmerman know about his past, unless Zimmerman knew who he
was?



====



He didn't need to know. Anyone walking aimlessly through a

neighborhood and looking into cars is immediately suspect.
That

is

usually criminal behavior and it's easy to spot.



So, everyone should shoot and kill anybody walking (NOT
aimlessly)

through a neighborhood turning his head toward cars (allegedly).

Got it.



===



That's nonsense of course but you seem to have your mind made up

already, so what's the point of discussing it? Most importantly,

the

courts will ultimately decide regardless of our opinions.



That's what happened!



-------------------------------------------------------



If you are an eye witness to this I'd suggest you immediately
contact

the attorneys involved and offer your testimony.

If you are not an eye witness, then your assumptions are pure

speculation.

As are yours.

-----------------------------------

Mine? I haven't offered an opinion or assumption one way or the
other.

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On 5/8/2013 3:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:17:28 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 2:15 PM, wrote:

It is clear that you have not actually been paying much attention to
it then. That is inconsistent with every version of the story that is
out there. (The girl friend, the police and Zimmerman himself)



Fights can be initiated with words.

Not legally, particularly where you live.

If we are to believe the statement from the girl friend who was on the
phone at the time, the words were
"Why are you following me" (martin)
"What are you doing here" (Unknown person, to her, presumably
Zimmerman)
and the fight started.

Again, this was a representative of the HOA asking a stranger what he
was doing on private property. He could have, as easily, been a guy
from Wackenhut. I imagine Martin would have hit him too.

Would you ask someone what they were doing in your driveway if they
were looking into your car? Would you defend yourself if they knocked
you to the ground, broke your nose and banged your head on the
concrete? Evidence of those injuries is undisputed, the cops have
pictures.


Why do you bother going back and forth with Krause. You have logic and
facts supporting your side of the argument. Krause has nothing. You win.

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On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:31:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my time
getting a good description of the perp.

===

There are other options of course. In my opinion a car thief is no
better than a horse thief, and we all know what happens to them.

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On 5/8/13 7:21 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:31:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my time
getting a good description of the perp.

===

There are other options of course. In my opinion a car thief is no
better than a horse thief, and we all know what happens to them.



It's telling that you are describing yourself as no better than a 19th
Century vigilante. In the more civilized areas of the country, you
aren't supposed to take the law into your own hands and hang some
someone you caught stealing your car or lawn mower or whatever in your
driveway. You're supposed to call the police and let them handle it.

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On 5/8/2013 4:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 8 May 2013 16:13:27 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...


If you are an eye witness to this I'd suggest you immediately contact
the attorneys involved and offer your testimony.
If you are not an eye witness, then your assumptions are pure
speculation.

That's my point exactly! I'm no more a witness to it than Greg, BAR or
FOX news!

I am giving the defendant the benefit of the doubt and putting the
burden of proof on the state, as it should be. You and Harry are the
ones who have convinced yourselves that this was premeditated murder
with no evidence to back it up.

I call "bull****"... There is no way you believe that's the way they
feel "just because they said it here"... They are just trolling you and
will say whatever it takes to do that regardless of how they feel.. LOL!
So Greg, on *you* I call bull****:) LOL!

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/8/13 7:21 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:31:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my
time
getting a good description of the perp.

===

There are other options of course. In my opinion a car thief is no
better than a horse thief, and we all know what happens to them.



It's telling that you are describing yourself as no better than a 19th
Century vigilante. In the more civilized areas of the country, you
aren't supposed to take the law into your own hands and hang some
someone you caught stealing your car or lawn mower or whatever in your
driveway. You're supposed to call the police and let them handle it.

----------------------------------------------

Someone comes up your driveway, proceeds to attempt to steal your car
..... you are there witnessing this .... and all you would do is
memorize what he looks like and call the police?

Imagine if everyone shared your view of a "civilized" action?
Hoo-boy .... a field day for the thieves of the world. The limited
resources of the police couldn't keep up with the calls and lookout
duties for stolen vehicles or other personal possessions.

A vigilante typically plans, stalks and attempts to do the work of the
police *after* the crime has been committed. Or, they assume a role
of law enforcement in general without the proper authority.
Challenging someone in the process of stealing your car or other
personal possession isn't being a vigilante. It's a responsible
action to protect your property and it doesn't mean using deadly
force. That's reserved for last resort situations when your life is
in immediate danger.

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On 5/8/13 9:14 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/8/13 7:21 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:31:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my time
getting a good description of the perp.

===

There are other options of course. In my opinion a car thief is no
better than a horse thief, and we all know what happens to them.



It's telling that you are describing yourself as no better than a 19th
Century vigilante. In the more civilized areas of the country, you
aren't supposed to take the law into your own hands and hang some
someone you caught stealing your car or lawn mower or whatever in your
driveway. You're supposed to call the police and let them handle it.

----------------------------------------------

Someone comes up your driveway, proceeds to attempt to steal your car
.... you are there witnessing this .... and all you would do is
memorize what he looks like and call the police?


That's right, and as soon as the cops arrive and take their report, I
call my insurance agent. I'm not taking a chance the car thief will get
violent. It's not a person, it's a car, an inanimate object that is easy
to replace.

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On 5/8/2013 9:21 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/8/13 9:14 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/8/13 7:21 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:31:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my time
getting a good description of the perp.

===

There are other options of course. In my opinion a car thief is no
better than a horse thief, and we all know what happens to them.



It's telling that you are describing yourself as no better than a 19th
Century vigilante. In the more civilized areas of the country, you
aren't supposed to take the law into your own hands and hang some
someone you caught stealing your car or lawn mower or whatever in your
driveway. You're supposed to call the police and let them handle it.

----------------------------------------------

Someone comes up your driveway, proceeds to attempt to steal your car
.... you are there witnessing this .... and all you would do is
memorize what he looks like and call the police?


That's right, and as soon as the cops arrive and take their report, I
call my insurance agent. I'm not taking a chance the car thief will get
violent. It's not a person, it's a car, an inanimate object that is easy
to replace.


Man you've changed, since the days when you pinned burglars against your
garages with your pickup trucks, crushing their legs.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/8/13 9:14 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/8/13 7:21 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:31:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my
time
getting a good description of the perp.

===

There are other options of course. In my opinion a car thief is
no
better than a horse thief, and we all know what happens to them.



It's telling that you are describing yourself as no better than a
19th
Century vigilante. In the more civilized areas of the country, you
aren't supposed to take the law into your own hands and hang some
someone you caught stealing your car or lawn mower or whatever in
your
driveway. You're supposed to call the police and let them handle it.

----------------------------------------------

Someone comes up your driveway, proceeds to attempt to steal your
car
.... you are there witnessing this .... and all you would do is
memorize what he looks like and call the police?


That's right, and as soon as the cops arrive and take their report, I
call my insurance agent. I'm not taking a chance the car thief will
get
violent. It's not a person, it's a car, an inanimate object that is
easy
to replace.

-----------------------------------------

I just can't see myself watching this taking place without challenging
the person. My reaction to the challenge depends on his. I might
run or I might stand my ground. Sorta depends on how big he is.
But I don't think I'd stand there calling 911 while I watched him in
the process of stealing it and driving away. A challenge might be
just enough to cause him to abort and screw.

Ever been robbed? Had your house broken into and items taken?
****es you off. It's not the value of the items taken. Like you
said, they can be replaced. It's the thought that some people think
they can just help themselves to things that don't belong to them.
Sometimes the items are not replaceable and unfortunately most of the
time they are never recovered.

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In article ,
says...


I believe Zimmerman initiated the fight and when it got out of hand, he
ran to his truck and got his pistol.

Doesn't matter what you "believe." That's religion.
Here, we have "rule of law."
Not lynch mob justice or kangaroo courts.
So put your backward religion away, and wait for the wheels of justice
to grind out their results. You have no other option.

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On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 4:15:59 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...



On Wed, 8 May 2013 15:02:23 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



In article ,

says...



On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:45:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



I believe Zimmerman initiated the fight and when it got out of hand, he

ran to his truck and got his pistol.



It is clear that you have not actually been paying much attention to

it then. That is inconsistent with every version of the story that is

out there. (The girl friend, the police and Zimmerman himself)



The police didn't see it, how could THEY make judgment? The girlfriend

said that the kid simply asked why Zimmerman was following him.

Zimmerman gave a lot of hearsay, but then he's a known liar.



If you keep going with the girl friends's story, Zimmerman asked "What

are you doing here" and the fight started.

Presumably Martin's answer to that question was a punch in the face.



The autopsy showed Martin had banged up fists and no other injuries

but a bullet hole in his chest. We have seen the pictures of

Zimmerman's face and the back of his head. I suppose you and Sharpton

can explain that another way but it sure sounds like a beating to me.



So, I guess that if a stranger comes running up to you in the middle of

the night, you'd just let him do whatever he wants to you? Hell yes, he

was fighting for his life, a thug had accosted him with a gun.

That's a guess, for sure. Nothing but wild allegations from you for what may have happened.

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In article , says...

In article ,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 8 May 2013 09:12:30 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:49:31 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

How did
Zimmerman know about his past, unless Zimmerman knew who he was?

====

He didn't need to know. Anyone walking aimlessly through a
neighborhood and looking into cars is immediately suspect. That
is
usually criminal behavior and it's easy to spot.

So, everyone should shoot and kill anybody walking (NOT aimlessly)
through a neighborhood turning his head toward cars (allegedly).
Got it.

===

That's nonsense of course but you seem to have your mind made up
already, so what's the point of discussing it? Most importantly,
the
courts will ultimately decide regardless of our opinions.

That's what happened!

-------------------------------------------------------

If you are an eye witness to this I'd suggest you immediately contact
the attorneys involved and offer your testimony.
If you are not an eye witness, then your assumptions are pure
speculation.

That's my point exactly! I'm no more a witness to it than Greg, BAR or
FOX news!

I never said I was an eye witness. I have only repeated what has been reported by the police
and media outlets.