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Hank©[_2_] May 9th 13 10:48 PM

For those here following the Zimmerman-Martin murder...
 
On 5/9/2013 2:54 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/9/2013 12:15 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 5/9/2013 11:39 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 09 May 2013 07:44:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

You're willing to risk getting yourself shot to protect inanimate
objects? I'm not. We had a burglar visit us when we lived in Florida. I
caught him in the act. He came after me with a pry bar. I whacked him
with my truck, but not because he stole our stuff, but because he was
threatening me physically.

That is what got Martin shot

THE CROWBAR ATTACK WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL STORY. IF HE WAS IN HIS
TRUCK, COULDN'T HE HAVE SIMPLY DRIVEN OUT OF HARM'S WAY?


That is a far cry from the original story..LOL!


Nope. Same. Shouldn't you be conjuring up another way you've been
victimized here?

Years ago you said you pinned the guy with your truck because he was
trying to get away.





Hank©[_2_] May 9th 13 10:55 PM

For those here following the Zimmerman-Martin murder...
 
On 5/9/2013 3:28 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/9/13 3:19 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 5/9/13 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 09 May 2013 11:54:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/9/13 11:48 AM,
wrote:
On Thu, 09 May 2013 07:44:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I whacked him
with my truck, but not because he stole our stuff, but because he was
threatening me physically.

If you were inside your truck you were not threatened. Your truck
might have been subject to damage. There was nothing to prevent you
from driving away.That sounds like you committed aggravated assault to
me. Good thing he didn't file a complaint.


Oh, I wasn't being threatened? Bull****. He wasn't carrying a bag of
Skittles and a soft drink when he came at me.

He also was not likely to be able to outrun your truck.

You were not exposed and you had the ability to retreat. That is the
test in Md. You can't "stand your ground"


My truck windows were open, and you have no idea whether I had the
ability to retreat safely. In any event, he was arrested, tried,
convicted and sentenced to 20 years. His girlfriend copped a plea and
got a much lesser sentence, but I don't recall what it was. His other
partner was also sent to the slammer.

As for Maryland, I've been told by law enforcement officials and an
assistant prosecutor that if someone forces their way into the house at
night and I shoot the perp, they are unlikely to prosecute.

-------------------------------------------------------

I think Greg missed the point that your truck/burglar adventure occurred
in Florida, not Maryland.
I am curious if Florida had the "stand your ground" statute at the time
this occurred.



I don't know one way or the other. I do know that even back then (mid
1990's) handguns were easy to get and it took no effort to get a carry
permit, because their availability was advertised on TV. There was a
local gunshop that advertised on TV. Southside Guns. The owner in those
days was a flaming ass whose TV commercials glorified gun violence.

The perp and his partner rented cheap apartments in town to store the
merchandise they sold from houses and, I suppose, to have a place to
"showcase" the wares to potential buyers. They used the cash proceeds to
support their drug business.



You give other vigilantes a bad name.

BAR[_2_] May 10th 13 12:02 PM

For those here following the Zimmerman-Martin murder...
 
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 13:13:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

you either broke the law or you didn't!


===

If you think the law is all black and white like that, you've never
seen a good defense attorney in action.


I didn't say that.


You put it in terms of either or.

BAR[_2_] May 10th 13 12:05 PM

For those here following the Zimmerman-Martin murder...
 
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On Wed, 8 May 2013 13:22:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

So you think someone should take a potentially deadly beating and not
be able to defend himself?

You have NO idea whether that is what happened or not. You are going to
say what FOX tells you to say, that Zimmerman was a darling, great
citizen and that Martin no business being there, despite the truth.



Have you read the police report?

It is a public record


Yes, I have. And in it the police make no mention of a "deadly beating".
There is a LOT of hearsay in it from Zimmerman, though. And I guess, if
you take a KNOWN liar's word just because FOX tells you to, that's your
downfall.


The deadly beating was stopped by the deadly shooting of the person giving the beating.

BAR[_2_] May 10th 13 12:06 PM

For those here following the Zimmerman-Martin murder...
 
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On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:45:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 12:38 PM,
wrote:


So you think someone should take a potentially deadly beating and not
be able to defend himself?

Instead you live in a "retreat" state where you could be charged for
shooting an intruder in your own home if there was any possibility
that you might have been able to escape.
Before you opine, know that a friend of mine did 7 years in the
Maryland prison system for killing an intruder ... because he had an
opportunity to run out the door.


I believe Zimmerman initiated the fight and when it got out of hand, he
ran to his truck and got his pistol.


It is clear that you have not actually been paying much attention to
it then. That is inconsistent with every version of the story that is
out there. (The girl friend, the police and Zimmerman himself)


The police didn't see it, how could THEY make judgment? The girlfriend
said that the kid simply asked why Zimmerman was following him.
Zimmerman gave a lot of hearsay, but then he's a known liar.


Zimmerman was there during the entire event, his recounting of the events is not hearsay.

BAR[_2_] May 10th 13 12:09 PM

For those here following the Zimmerman-Martin murder...
 
In article , says...

On Wed, 8 May 2013 15:02:23 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:45:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


I believe Zimmerman initiated the fight and when it got out of hand, he
ran to his truck and got his pistol.

It is clear that you have not actually been paying much attention to
it then. That is inconsistent with every version of the story that is
out there. (The girl friend, the police and Zimmerman himself)


The police didn't see it, how could THEY make judgment? The girlfriend
said that the kid simply asked why Zimmerman was following him.
Zimmerman gave a lot of hearsay, but then he's a known liar.


If you keep going with the girl friends's story, Zimmerman asked "What
are you doing here" and the fight started.
Presumably Martin's answer to that question was a punch in the face.

The autopsy showed Martin had banged up fists and no other injuries
but a bullet hole in his chest. We have seen the pictures of
Zimmerman's face and the back of his head. I suppose you and Sharpton
can explain that another way but it sure sounds like a beating to me.


He, Zimmerman, could have tripped and fallen and hit the back of his head and the front of
his head and face at the same time. The guys on CSI should be able to re-create the events.

BAR[_2_] May 10th 13 12:10 PM

For those here following the Zimmerman-Martin murder...
 
In article , says...

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says...

On Wed, 8 May 2013 15:02:23 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:45:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


I believe Zimmerman initiated the fight and when it got out of hand, he
ran to his truck and got his pistol.

It is clear that you have not actually been paying much attention to
it then. That is inconsistent with every version of the story that is
out there. (The girl friend, the police and Zimmerman himself)

The police didn't see it, how could THEY make judgment? The girlfriend
said that the kid simply asked why Zimmerman was following him.
Zimmerman gave a lot of hearsay, but then he's a known liar.


If you keep going with the girl friends's story, Zimmerman asked "What
are you doing here" and the fight started.
Presumably Martin's answer to that question was a punch in the face.

The autopsy showed Martin had banged up fists and no other injuries
but a bullet hole in his chest. We have seen the pictures of
Zimmerman's face and the back of his head. I suppose you and Sharpton
can explain that another way but it sure sounds like a beating to me.


So, I guess that if a stranger comes running up to you in the middle of
the night, you'd just let him do whatever he wants to you? Hell yes, he
was fighting for his life, a thug had accosted him with a gun.


Where does it say that Zimmerman was running up to Martin?

iBoaterer[_3_] May 10th 13 01:21 PM

For those here following the Zimmerman-Martin murder...
 
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says...

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On Thu, 9 May 2013 13:13:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

you either broke the law or you didn't!

===

If you think the law is all black and white like that, you've never
seen a good defense attorney in action.


I didn't say that.


You put it in terms of either or.


It is what it is, you either broke the law or you didn't. What else is
there? You kinda sorta broke the law?

iBoaterer[_3_] May 10th 13 01:21 PM

For those here following the Zimmerman-Martin murder...
 
In article ,
says...

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says...

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says...

On Wed, 8 May 2013 13:22:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

So you think someone should take a potentially deadly beating and not
be able to defend himself?

You have NO idea whether that is what happened or not. You are going to
say what FOX tells you to say, that Zimmerman was a darling, great
citizen and that Martin no business being there, despite the truth.


Have you read the police report?

It is a public record


Yes, I have. And in it the police make no mention of a "deadly beating".
There is a LOT of hearsay in it from Zimmerman, though. And I guess, if
you take a KNOWN liar's word just because FOX tells you to, that's your
downfall.


The deadly beating was stopped by the deadly shooting of the person giving the beating.


Please show proof of your wild allegations.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 10th 13 01:22 PM

For those here following the Zimmerman-Martin murder...
 
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says...

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says...

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says...

On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:45:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 12:38 PM,
wrote:


So you think someone should take a potentially deadly beating and not
be able to defend himself?

Instead you live in a "retreat" state where you could be charged for
shooting an intruder in your own home if there was any possibility
that you might have been able to escape.
Before you opine, know that a friend of mine did 7 years in the
Maryland prison system for killing an intruder ... because he had an
opportunity to run out the door.


I believe Zimmerman initiated the fight and when it got out of hand, he
ran to his truck and got his pistol.

It is clear that you have not actually been paying much attention to
it then. That is inconsistent with every version of the story that is
out there. (The girl friend, the police and Zimmerman himself)


The police didn't see it, how could THEY make judgment? The girlfriend
said that the kid simply asked why Zimmerman was following him.
Zimmerman gave a lot of hearsay, but then he's a known liar.


Zimmerman was there during the entire event, his recounting of the events is not hearsay.


And is a KNOWN liar, and a KNOWN violent person.


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