On 5/8/13 9:52 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 5/8/13 9:14 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 5/8/13 7:21 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:31:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my time
getting a good description of the perp.

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There are other options of course. In my opinion a car thief is no
better than a horse thief, and we all know what happens to them.



It's telling that you are describing yourself as no better than a 19th
Century vigilante. In the more civilized areas of the country, you
aren't supposed to take the law into your own hands and hang some
someone you caught stealing your car or lawn mower or whatever in your
driveway. You're supposed to call the police and let them handle it.

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Someone comes up your driveway, proceeds to attempt to steal your car
.... you are there witnessing this .... and all you would do is
memorize what he looks like and call the police?


That's right, and as soon as the cops arrive and take their report, I
call my insurance agent. I'm not taking a chance the car thief will get
violent. It's not a person, it's a car, an inanimate object that is easy
to replace.

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I just can't see myself watching this taking place without challenging
the person. My reaction to the challenge depends on his. I might run
or I might stand my ground. Sorta depends on how big he is. But I don't
think I'd stand there calling 911 while I watched him in the process of
stealing it and driving away. A challenge might be just enough to
cause him to abort and screw.

Ever been robbed? Had your house broken into and items taken? ****es
you off. It's not the value of the items taken. Like you said, they
can be replaced. It's the thought that some people think they can just
help themselves to things that don't belong to them. Sometimes the items
are not replaceable and unfortunately most of the time they are never
recovered.



You're willing to risk getting yourself shot to protect inanimate
objects? I'm not. We had a burglar visit us when we lived in Florida. I
caught him in the act. He came after me with a pry bar. I whacked him
with my truck, but not because he stole our stuff, but because he was
threatening me physically.

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On Wed, 8 May 2013 16:14:48 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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Fights can be initiated with words.

Not legally, particularly where you live.

If we are to believe the statement from the girl friend who was on the
phone at the time, the words were
"Why are you following me" (martin)
"What are you doing here" (Unknown person, to her, presumably
Zimmerman)
and the fight started.

Again, this was a representative of the HOA asking a stranger what he
was doing on private property. He could have, as easily, been a guy
from Wackenhut. I imagine Martin would have hit him too.

Would you ask someone what they were doing in your driveway if they
were looking into your car? Would you defend yourself if they knocked
you to the ground, broke your nose and banged your head on the
concrete? Evidence of those injuries is undisputed, the cops have
pictures.

If a man comes chases me because I'm walking at night and accosts me, he
certainly would be in for a fight!

So is the girlfriend lying?

She says Martin confronted Zimmerman

No she didn't. That's a lie.

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On Wed, 8 May 2013 16:15:59 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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On Wed, 8 May 2013 15:02:23 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:45:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I believe Zimmerman initiated the fight and when it got out of hand, he
ran to his truck and got his pistol.

It is clear that you have not actually been paying much attention to
it then. That is inconsistent with every version of the story that is
out there. (The girl friend, the police and Zimmerman himself)

The police didn't see it, how could THEY make judgment? The girlfriend
said that the kid simply asked why Zimmerman was following him.
Zimmerman gave a lot of hearsay, but then he's a known liar.

If you keep going with the girl friends's story, Zimmerman asked "What
are you doing here" and the fight started.
Presumably Martin's answer to that question was a punch in the face.

The autopsy showed Martin had banged up fists and no other injuries
but a bullet hole in his chest. We have seen the pictures of
Zimmerman's face and the back of his head. I suppose you and Sharpton
can explain that another way but it sure sounds like a beating to me.

So, I guess that if a stranger comes running up to you in the middle of
the night, you'd just let him do whatever he wants to you? Hell yes, he
was fighting for his life, a thug had accosted him with a gun.

And you know Zimmerman ran up to martin how?

He SAID he was going to follow him, to which the sane dispatcher told
him he shouldn't.

How does that go?'
CITE?

HIS WORDS.

http://tinyurl.com/834nzb7

Notice, this:

Dispatcher: "Are you following him?"
Zimmerman: "Yeah"


Also, please note, not ONE WORD mentioning Martin "looking into cars" as
FOX has you believing.

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If you are an eye witness to this I'd suggest you immediately contact
the attorneys involved and offer your testimony.
If you are not an eye witness, then your assumptions are pure
speculation.

That's my point exactly! I'm no more a witness to it than Greg, BAR or
FOX news!

I am giving the defendant the benefit of the doubt and putting the
burden of proof on the state, as it should be. You and Harry are the
ones who have convinced yourselves that this was premeditated murder
with no evidence to back it up.

Corey is not even saying that. The thrust of her indictment was that
Zimmerman had a depraved mind when he followed Martin but there is no
real proof of that either.
He had about 50 other incidents with similar circumstances with no
violence involved at all.

This would have been a non-issue if Martin had simply answered the
question "What are you doing here" with something along the lines of
"I am staying over there" but the indications from everything we know
or have heard is that he answered that question with a punch in the
face.

If you know anything else, please tell us

http://tinyurl.com/834nzb7

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On 5/8/2013 4:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 8 May 2013 16:13:27 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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If you are an eye witness to this I'd suggest you immediately contact
the attorneys involved and offer your testimony.
If you are not an eye witness, then your assumptions are pure
speculation.

That's my point exactly! I'm no more a witness to it than Greg, BAR or
FOX news!

I am giving the defendant the benefit of the doubt and putting the
burden of proof on the state, as it should be. You and Harry are the
ones who have convinced yourselves that this was premeditated murder
with no evidence to back it up.

I call "bull****"... There is no way you believe that's the way they
feel "just because they said it here"... They are just trolling you and
will say whatever it takes to do that regardless of how they feel.. LOL!
So Greg, on *you* I call bull**** LOL!

http://tinyurl.com/834nzb7

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On 5/8/13 9:52 PM, Eisboch wrote:


I just can't see myself watching this taking place without
challenging
the person. My reaction to the challenge depends on his. I might
run
or I might stand my ground. Sorta depends on how big he is. But I
don't
think I'd stand there calling 911 while I watched him in the process
of
stealing it and driving away. A challenge might be just enough to
cause him to abort and screw.

Ever been robbed? Had your house broken into and items taken?
****es
you off. It's not the value of the items taken. Like you said,
they
can be replaced. It's the thought that some people think they can
just
help themselves to things that don't belong to them. Sometimes the
items
are not replaceable and unfortunately most of the time they are
never
recovered.



You're willing to risk getting yourself shot to protect inanimate
objects? I'm not. We had a burglar visit us when we lived in Florida.
I
caught him in the act. He came after me with a pry bar. I whacked him
with my truck, but not because he stole our stuff, but because he was
threatening me physically.

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Yup, stupid as it may sound to you. I'd like to think I'd be aware
and cautious of the situation but I've taken plenty of risks in my
life, both physical and otherwise and have survived. I just don't
think you can go through life being intimidated, controlled or even
inconvenienced by those who break the law or think they are entitled
to other people's personal possessions. Doesn't mean you become a
vigilante but you *do* have a right and a certain amount of
responsibility to protect yourself and your property.

So, what would you do if you walked out of a store and witnessed
someone keying your car (or any car for that matter) in the parking
lot. Would you watch as he gouged scratches in the paint while
dialing 911, afraid to confront him because he might be mean? Or
witnessing a purse snatching when you could come to the victims aid by
sticking out your foot and tripping him as he tried to run away?
Not all confrontations end up in gun fight. But, it's nice to be
prepared if they do.

On that note (which I am sure will raise the ire of some) I recently
discovered that the nanny state of Massachusetts is an "open carry"
state. Well, technically it is because there are no state laws that
prohibit open carry, other than on school or federal properties. You
must have a LTC permit and all the other laws, rules and regulations
apply but there's nothing in the statutes that prevent open carry in
public. The way the state gets around this is to leave it up to the
local police department Chief that issued your permit. If you open
carry and someone complains to the police, the local Chief is likely
to revoke your permit and confiscate your guns. That's what weird
about gun laws in MA and several other states. The "right" to own,
carry and use a gun exists in most, but under what conditions,
restrictions and even the issuance of a permit is up to the individual
town and city police departments Chiefs. This allows their personal
views on private citizen gun ownership to influence their willingness
to issue a LTC permit, what type (class A or B) and any arbitrary
restrictions they want to apply. It's not governed by a uniform state
law. Some are very pro-gun ownership. Some support even stronger gun
control by simply deciding you don't need one. It all depends on what
town or city you reside in. I recently was talking to a female who
lives in a neighboring town. She applied for a LTC, waited almost 5
months while it was processed and was then issued a "Class A" LTC
(concealed carry) *but* restrictions were put on it for "hunting
and "range" use only" Who the heck uses a concealed handgun to go
hunting?

This doesn't seem right to me and obviously to others as evidenced by
the number of lawsuits initiated by people who have been turned down.
Ironically, the state is a "may issue" state for handgun permits, but
a "shall issue" state for long guns which includes rifles, shotguns
and the infamous "assault type" firearms. The long gun permits are
in the form of a FID card, not a LTC.

On 5/9/2013 7:44 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:




You're willing to risk getting yourself shot to protect inanimate
objects? I'm not. We had a burglar visit us when we lived in Florida. I
caught him in the act. He came after me with a pry bar. I whacked him
with my truck, but not because he stole our stuff, but because he was
threatening me physically.

LOL, and again the story changes... Cool story bro!

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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You're willing to risk getting yourself shot to protect inanimate
objects? I'm not. We had a burglar visit us when we lived in Florida.

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BTW, I think your use of the word "burglar" romanticizes those who
seem to think they are entitled to take things that don't belong to
them.

They are what they are ... low life, thieving scum bags.

On 5/9/13 9:40 AM, Eisboch wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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You're willing to risk getting yourself shot to protect inanimate
objects? I'm not. We had a burglar visit us when we lived in Florida.

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BTW, I think your use of the word "burglar" romanticizes those who
seem to think they are entitled to take things that don't belong to them.

They are what they are ... low life, thieving scum bags.



Burglary typically is the name of the crime charged against burglars who
are caught. According to Wiki, in your state of Massachusetts, "The
Commonwealth of Massachusetts uses the term "burglary" to refer to a
night-time breaking and entering of a dwelling with the intent to commit
a felony. Burglary is a felony punishable by not more than twenty years;
should the burglar enter with a dangerous weapon, they may be imprisoned
for life. Unlawful entries of a structure other than a dwelling are
labeled "breaking and entering" and punishments vary according to structure.

I don't see the word "burglar" as romanticizing those who commit that
crime.

On 5/9/13 9:36 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/9/2013 7:44 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:




You're willing to risk getting yourself shot to protect inanimate
objects? I'm not. We had a burglar visit us when we lived in Florida. I
caught him in the act. He came after me with a pry bar. I whacked him
with my truck, but not because he stole our stuff, but because he was
threatening me physically.

LOL, and again the story changes... Cool story bro!


Go eat some 'shrooms and conjure up some more offenses against you that
never happened, little ****head.