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JustWaitAFrekinMinute April 23rd 13 11:16 PM

Teamsters protect Boston bombing victim's funeral.
 
On 4/23/2013 6:04 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/23/13 6:02 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/23/2013 5:29 PM, wrote:


As far as I am concerned, holiday displays celebrate the diversity in
our community and we should accept them all.
That might mean the christians have to tolerate a wiccan display on
halloween tho. Fair is fair.


That's fine... and we won't mock them on Halloween, and they don't mock
us on Christmas. It's not the Christians trying to stop others free
speech, that only seems to go in one direction...


Dum**** Snotty has bought into Faux News' imaginary "war on christmas."


Pedophile harry krause is talking to blind and those who would rather
stay ignorantly uninformed by choice.. LOL!

BAR[_2_] April 24th 13 12:00 AM

Teamsters protect Boston bombing victim's funeral.
 
In article , says...

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:55:16 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:39:35 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...


Weren't you one of the people who supported anti war demonstrators
protesting military funerals?

I fully support constitutional rights, don't you?

So you think constitutional rights are absolute?

OK by me.

" the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."

You left out some VERY important words. But, what I am saying is that
you can't cherry pick. If you want to make the constitution the law of
the land, so be it. But you don't want that. You want to use the parts
that appeal to you, and not the parts that don't appeal to you.


You cherry pick "freedom of speech" from the 1st amendment without
including "Congress shall make no law".

If you are going to say that was modified by the 14th amendment
prohibiting a state or local government from making a law prohibiting
free speech, I would counter that state and local government could not
make a law stronger than the federal ones on gun ownership.

It is clear we do limit rights and most have been so strictly limited
that they virtually fail to exist. What does the 4th amendment mean if
a cop can stop your car for virtually any reason, demand everyone get
out, demand ID from everyone, (MARYLAND v. WILSON) search them, the
car and the passenger compartment of the car (ostensibly for weapons)
without a warrant or probable cause(Michigan v. Long )?
If there is a "custodial arrest" (eliminating that confusion about
what an arrest is) they can also impound the car and search it in
detail under the guise of an "inventory".(New York v. Belton)
They can even make you wait on the side of the road until a dog
arrives for a sniff (ILLINOIS v. CABALLES)


I didn't cherry pick ANYTHING. In the case of Maryland v. Wilson, there
was probable cause and laws were broken LONG before the search.

"At about 7:30 p.m. on a June evening, Maryland state trooper David
Hughes observed a passenger car driving southbound on I-95 in Baltimore
County at a speed of 64 miles per hour. The posted speed limit was 55
miles per hour, and the car had no regular license tag; there was a torn
piece of paper reading "Enterprise Rent A Car" dangling from its rear.
Hughes activated his lights and sirens, signaling the car to pull over,
but it continued driving for another mile and a half until it finally
did so.

During the pursuit, Hughes noticed that there were three occupants in
the car and that the two passengers turned to look at him several times,
repeatedly ducking below sight level and then reappearing. As Hughes
approached the car on foot, the driver alighted and met him halfway. The
driver was trembling and appeared extremely nervous, but nonetheless
produced a valid Connecticut driver's license. Hughes instructed him to
return to the car and retrieve the rental documents, and he complied.
During this encounter, Hughes noticed that the front seat passenger,
respondent Jerry Lee Wilson, was sweating and also appeared extremely
nervous. While the driver was sitting in the driver's seat looking for
the rental papers, Hughes ordered Wilson out of the car.

When Wilson exited the car, a quantity of crack cocaine fell to the
ground. Wilson was then arrested and charged with possession of cocaine
with intent to distribute. Before trial, Wilson moved to suppress the
evidence, arguing that Hughes' ordering him out of the car constituted
an unreasonable seizure under the Fourth Amendment. The Circuit Court
for Baltimore County agreed, and granted respondent's motion to
suppress. On appeal, the Court of Special Appeals of Maryland affirmed,
106 Md. App. 24, 664 A. 2d 1 (1995), ruling that Pennsylvania v. Mimms
does not apply to passengers. The Court of Appeals of Maryland denied
certiorari. 340 Md. 502, 667 A. 2d 342 (1995). We granted certiorari,
518 U. S. ___ (1996), and now reverse."

But, the task remains, are you going to uphold the constitution for some
things and not for others?


You forgot to use the word "allegedly" numerous times.

BAR[_2_] April 24th 13 12:01 AM

Teamsters protect Boston bombing victim's funeral.
 
In article , says...

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:55:16 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

If you want to make the constitution the law of
the land, so be it.



===

The constitution *is* the law of the land and the people who wrote it
were a lot smarter than some of today's wannabe interpreters.


I wholeheartedly agree! Therefore, you can't cherry pick which passages
you want upheld because you want them upheld, and deny the ones you want
to deny.


Which ones are those who are not of your vien of thought not wanting to ensure?

F.O.A.D. April 24th 13 12:25 AM

Teamsters protect Boston bombing victim's funeral.
 
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:44:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/23/13 5:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:51:53 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



If you can extend "Congress" (meaning the US congress) shall make no
federal law" to mean a city council can't allow a display on city
property, I can't understand why "shall not be infringed" is not an
absolute prohibition of any firearm law by any government entity.


Infringe means destroy, shatter, crush. The current set of firearm
regulations do not destroy, shatter or crush the ability to own firearms.


in·fringe (n-frnj)
v. in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es
v.tr.
1. To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a
contract; infringe a patent.
2. Obsolete To defeat; invalidate.
v.intr.
To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an
increased workload that infringed on his personal life.


In this context, the obsolete definition is most likely what the
framers were talking about.



Demonstrations are not the same as displays.

Why not?


Because the people have a Bill of Rights right to peaceably assemble.
There is no Bill of Rights right to set up a religious display on public
property; in fact, the state is not allowed to help promote religion,
and a creche promotes religion.


Isn't stopping it "prohibiting the free exercise of"?

The government is no more establishing religion with this display than
they are establishing nazism when they let the marchers walk in Skokie

Every year, for example, we
get thousands of religious simpies up here protesting Roe v. Wade, and
they camp out on the steps of the Supreme Court and march down the
public's streets and sidewalks. So long as they have a permit, such
behavior is allowed.

Isn't the government that grants that permit "establishing" that
religious belief?



No, they are granting a parade permit.


So why not a nativity display permit?

Demonstrating against corporate excess is not the same as promoting the
religious crib scenes of a Jewish baby.

Why not? Both represent deeply held personal beliefs.



Because the religious crib scenes on public property promote religion,
and such is not allowed.


Says you.


And the Constitution.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute April 24th 13 12:30 AM

Teamsters protect Boston bombing victim's funeral.
 
On 4/23/2013 7:25 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:44:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/23/13 5:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:51:53 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



If you can extend "Congress" (meaning the US congress) shall make no
federal law" to mean a city council can't allow a display on city
property, I can't understand why "shall not be infringed" is not an
absolute prohibition of any firearm law by any government entity.


Infringe means destroy, shatter, crush. The current set of firearm
regulations do not destroy, shatter or crush the ability to own firearms.


in·fringe (n-frnj)
v. in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es
v.tr.
1. To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a
contract; infringe a patent.
2. Obsolete To defeat; invalidate.
v.intr.
To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an
increased workload that infringed on his personal life.


In this context, the obsolete definition is most likely what the
framers were talking about.



Demonstrations are not the same as displays.

Why not?

Because the people have a Bill of Rights right to peaceably assemble.
There is no Bill of Rights right to set up a religious display on public
property; in fact, the state is not allowed to help promote religion,
and a creche promotes religion.


Isn't stopping it "prohibiting the free exercise of"?

The government is no more establishing religion with this display than
they are establishing nazism when they let the marchers walk in Skokie

Every year, for example, we
get thousands of religious simpies up here protesting Roe v. Wade, and
they camp out on the steps of the Supreme Court and march down the
public's streets and sidewalks. So long as they have a permit, such
behavior is allowed.

Isn't the government that grants that permit "establishing" that
religious belief?


No, they are granting a parade permit.


So why not a nativity display permit?

Demonstrating against corporate excess is not the same as promoting the
religious crib scenes of a Jewish baby.

Why not? Both represent deeply held personal beliefs.


Because the religious crib scenes on public property promote religion,
and such is not allowed.


Says you.


And the Constitution.


No it doesn't... only to you haters..

JustWaitAFrekinMinute April 24th 13 01:10 AM

Teamsters protect Boston bombing victim's funeral.
 
On 4/23/2013 7:29 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:53:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/23/13 5:39 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:16:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Indeed, I don't even like the use of churches for election polling
places. The public's elections should be conducted in public facilities,
such as schools, firehouses, county, state or federal office buildings,
et cetera.

The problem is there are a lot of places where those facilities are
not available on election days. Our schools are locked down when the
students are there and the general public is not allowed in.
Fire Houses are generally not rated for "assembly" (the fire code) and
office building may not have an accessible area to set up the polls.
Some have security that prevents access for the general public.

They have tried to get away from church property here but the county
simply does not have enough suitable locations to serve all of the
polling places required.
They do choose meeting rooms that are separate from the church itself
if that makes you feel better.
The one they used in Estero had no religious artifacts in it at all
and the entrance was on a different road than the entrance of the
church itself.


Our schools here shut down on election day and the large assembly room
is set up with the voting machines. When I lived in Virginia in the
1970's, we voted at the firehouse.


Our firehouses are not set up as "places of public assembly" but we
don't have casino nights like they do up there in Maryland


When I first voted in NE Florida, the polling place was at a baptist
church. The church lined the hallway leading to the assembly room with
photos of aborted fetuses, just for election day.


I have never seen anything like that here. I would complain too.


Hhe didn't complain, because he just made it up... Harry is like that
lonely teen, telling whoppers late at night around the fire and
everybody there knows he is just making it up, but settle for the
entertainment...

F.O.A.D. April 24th 13 02:21 AM

Teamsters protect Boston bombing victim's funeral.
 
On 4/23/13 7:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:44:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/23/13 5:09 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:51:53 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



If you can extend "Congress" (meaning the US congress) shall make no
federal law" to mean a city council can't allow a display on city
property, I can't understand why "shall not be infringed" is not an
absolute prohibition of any firearm law by any government entity.


Infringe means destroy, shatter, crush. The current set of firearm
regulations do not destroy, shatter or crush the ability to own firearms.


in·fringe (n-frnj)
v. in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es
v.tr.
1. To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a
contract; infringe a patent.
2. Obsolete To defeat; invalidate.
v.intr.
To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an
increased workload that infringed on his personal life.


In this context, the obsolete definition is most likely what the
framers were talking about.



Demonstrations are not the same as displays.

Why not?


Because the people have a Bill of Rights right to peaceably assemble.
There is no Bill of Rights right to set up a religious display on public
property; in fact, the state is not allowed to help promote religion,
and a creche promotes religion.


Isn't stopping it "prohibiting the free exercise of"?

The government is no more establishing religion with this display than
they are establishing nazism when they let the marchers walk in Skokie

Every year, for example, we
get thousands of religious simpies up here protesting Roe v. Wade, and
they camp out on the steps of the Supreme Court and march down the
public's streets and sidewalks. So long as they have a permit, such
behavior is allowed.

Isn't the government that grants that permit "establishing" that
religious belief?



No, they are granting a parade permit.


So why not a nativity display permit?

Demonstrating against corporate excess is not the same as promoting the
religious crib scenes of a Jewish baby.

Why not? Both represent deeply held personal beliefs.



Because the religious crib scenes on public property promote religion,
and such is not allowed.


Says you.

The answers you seek are in and around the Establishment clause, taking
into account the right-wing supremes have weakened it a bit.

F.O.A.D. April 24th 13 02:22 AM

Teamsters protect Boston bombing victim's funeral.
 
On 4/23/13 8:10 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/23/2013 7:29 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:53:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/23/13 5:39 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:16:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Indeed, I don't even like the use of churches for election polling
places. The public's elections should be conducted in public
facilities,
such as schools, firehouses, county, state or federal office
buildings,
et cetera.

The problem is there are a lot of places where those facilities are
not available on election days. Our schools are locked down when the
students are there and the general public is not allowed in.
Fire Houses are generally not rated for "assembly" (the fire code) and
office building may not have an accessible area to set up the polls.
Some have security that prevents access for the general public.

They have tried to get away from church property here but the county
simply does not have enough suitable locations to serve all of the
polling places required.
They do choose meeting rooms that are separate from the church itself
if that makes you feel better.
The one they used in Estero had no religious artifacts in it at all
and the entrance was on a different road than the entrance of the
church itself.


Our schools here shut down on election day and the large assembly room
is set up with the voting machines. When I lived in Virginia in the
1970's, we voted at the firehouse.


Our firehouses are not set up as "places of public assembly" but we
don't have casino nights like they do up there in Maryland


When I first voted in NE Florida, the polling place was at a baptist
church. The church lined the hallway leading to the assembly room with
photos of aborted fetuses, just for election day.


I have never seen anything like that here. I would complain too.


Hhe didn't complain, because he just made it up... Harry is like that
lonely teen, telling whoppers late at night around the fire and
everybody there knows he is just making it up, but settle for the
entertainment...



You're projecting again. You've had a life of no serious education and
no serious jobs, and therefore you cannot fathom someone who can write a
series of effective letters that push a change in the location of a
polling place. Your way would be to make a homemade claymore mine.

F.O.A.D. April 24th 13 02:24 AM

Teamsters protect Boston bombing victim's funeral.
 
On 4/23/13 7:34 PM, wrote:
On 23 Apr 2013 23:25:31 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:


Because the religious crib scenes on public property promote religion,
and such is not allowed.

Says you.


And the Constitution.


The constitution says "Congress shall make no law..."
What law did the congress make?



A law that precludes the construction of creches on public property.

Hank©[_2_] April 24th 13 02:56 AM

Teamsters protect Boston bombing victim's funeral.
 
On 4/23/2013 9:22 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

You're projecting again. You've had a life of no serious education and
no serious jobs, and therefore you cannot fathom someone who can write a
series of effective letters that push a change in the location of a
polling place. Your way would be to make a homemade claymore mine.


You are way too full of yourself, asshat.


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