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Man killed by unregistered beaver
On Tuesday, 16 April 2013 11:46:32 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:23:20 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:34:59 -0400, BAR wrote: And you wonder why I think it's a good idea to save the environment..... Save it from what? The animals of the earth have been using the enviornment for their benefit for millions and millions of years. I think it is ironic that the only habitat that seems to be available for these animals is the golf course, perhaps the most unnatural plot of land you can have. Why don't these wild life lovers get up off their wallets and buy land for wildlife preservation? If the golfers were not there, this would just be part of the concrete jungle and the beavers would die. I see these PETA and humane society weasels bitching about hunters but hunters do far more to protect natural wildlife populations, preserve habitat and actually set aside land than all the Volvo driving bark eaters combined. Maybe the armchair environmentalists should look at what we are doing in Southwest Florida. The voters decided to create funds to buy up habitat and put it in preservation., This wasn't a unilateral decision by government or a "taking" of private property, it was a referendum that created a dedicated taxing district for the purpose. Properties are bought at market price, not stolen in eminent domain robberies. There *is* a perfect habitat for the suckers, damn near across the street. Put 'Huntley Meadows Park, Alexandria, VA' into Mapquest. Look just north - that's the golf course. The park has all kinds of trees and water. But, the folks are not allowed to trap the beaver. Stupid. Salmonbait I guess my question would be... were the beavers in the area before the golf course was built?? |
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Man killed by unregistered beaver
On 4/16/2013 10:55 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:47:16 -0400, Hank© wrote: On 4/16/2013 10:29 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 4/16/13 10:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:34:59 -0400, BAR wrote: And you wonder why I think it's a good idea to save the environment..... Save it from what? The animals of the earth have been using the enviornment for their benefit for millions and millions of years. I think it is ironic that the only habitat that seems to be available for these animals is the golf course, perhaps the most unnatural plot of land you can have. That's not true. We've seen beavers in the creekbed behind our house. It most definitely is not a golf course. One of the problems is that more and more "critter habitat" is being chopped down and clear cut, and the critters simply have nowhere to go. I'd rather see an untouched wooded area than another area mowed down for another golf course or shopping center. I can't believe a PROGRESSIVE said that. One who brags about his strip mall ownership. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. That mall is considered urban blight, not prime critter habitat unless you are considering snakes and rats. |
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Man killed by unregistered beaver
On 4/16/13 10:56 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:29:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/16/13 10:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:34:59 -0400, BAR wrote: And you wonder why I think it's a good idea to save the environment..... Save it from what? The animals of the earth have been using the enviornment for their benefit for millions and millions of years. I think it is ironic that the only habitat that seems to be available for these animals is the golf course, perhaps the most unnatural plot of land you can have. That's not true. We've seen beavers in the creekbed behind our house. It most definitely is not a golf course. One of the problems is that more and more "critter habitat" is being chopped down and clear cut, and the critters simply have nowhere to go. I'd rather see an untouched wooded area than another area mowed down for another golf course or shopping center. You are out in the boonies, compared to areas closer to DC. If you really want to preserve beaver habitat, spend some money, buy that land and set it aside for preservation. Why are you depending on sportsmen to do it and then demean the sport that drives them to set aside that land? Ducks Unlimited and the other hunting organizations have protected more wet land than EPA, PETA and the humane society combined and they did it without stealing property from it's owner. Golf courses may represent the only real green space in a lot of suburban areas. Most people do everything they can to discourage wildlife in their own neighborhoods and then they put a PETA sticker on their car and tell other people what they have to do on their property. I'm not *depending* upon self-described "sportsmen" to do anything other than slaughter defenseless animals. You don't really think Ducks Unlimited, et al, are interested in anything more than ways to provide more critters to shoot. It isn't altruism. I appreciated the land set-asides, but I know what is behind them. I think if you have a golf course, you should be willing to share it with whatever wildlife manages to hang on there by its fingernails. |
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On 4/16/13 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:05:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/16/13 10:56 AM, wrote: If you really want to preserve beaver habitat, spend some money, buy that land and set it aside for preservation. Why are you depending on sportsmen to do it and then demean the sport that drives them to set aside that land? Ducks Unlimited and the other hunting organizations have protected more wet land than EPA, PETA and the humane society combined and they did it without stealing property from it's owner. Golf courses may represent the only real green space in a lot of suburban areas. Most people do everything they can to discourage wildlife in their own neighborhoods and then they put a PETA sticker on their car and tell other people what they have to do on their property. I'm not *depending* upon self-described "sportsmen" to do anything other than slaughter defenseless animals. You don't really think Ducks Unlimited, et al, are interested in anything more than ways to provide more critters to shoot. It isn't altruism. I appreciated the land set-asides, but I know what is behind them. I think if you have a golf course, you should be willing to share it with whatever wildlife manages to hang on there by its fingernails. If you are not actively preserving habitat, you are depending on the people who do. That is the sportsman you seem to hate. If they stopped, these animals would be gone. The classic example of this is the big game hunting ranches in Texas. They are the only ones who are preserving species that are rapidly going extinct in the wild. It is a managed population. PETA says they would rather have them extinct than have someone shoot one occasionally. I guess they never saw a lion take down a grazing animal. If so they would never say hunting was cruel. Is there something wrong with preserving habitat for the sake of preserving habitat, without having the slaughter of animals as a motivator? Managed population is a euphemistic way of saying canned hunt. Lions take down grazing animals to eat and survive, not for sport. I was fairly neutral on "hunting" until a decade or so ago, when I saw a TV video of a "brave hunter" shooting and killing some distance away a sheep with fancy horns. What a brave man. |
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Man killed by unregistered beaver
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 07:57:06 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 April 2013 11:46:32 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:23:20 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:34:59 -0400, BAR wrote: And you wonder why I think it's a good idea to save the environment..... Save it from what? The animals of the earth have been using the enviornment for their benefit for millions and millions of years. I think it is ironic that the only habitat that seems to be available for these animals is the golf course, perhaps the most unnatural plot of land you can have. Why don't these wild life lovers get up off their wallets and buy land for wildlife preservation? If the golfers were not there, this would just be part of the concrete jungle and the beavers would die. I see these PETA and humane society weasels bitching about hunters but hunters do far more to protect natural wildlife populations, preserve habitat and actually set aside land than all the Volvo driving bark eaters combined. Maybe the armchair environmentalists should look at what we are doing in Southwest Florida. The voters decided to create funds to buy up habitat and put it in preservation., This wasn't a unilateral decision by government or a "taking" of private property, it was a referendum that created a dedicated taxing district for the purpose. Properties are bought at market price, not stolen in eminent domain robberies. There *is* a perfect habitat for the suckers, damn near across the street. Put 'Huntley Meadows Park, Alexandria, VA' into Mapquest. Look just north - that's the golf course. The park has all kinds of trees and water. But, the folks are not allowed to trap the beaver. Stupid. Salmonbait I guess my question would be... were the beavers in the area before the golf course was built?? Well, bears probably roamed your neighborhood before it became your neighborhood. Would they be welcome now? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
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Man killed by unregistered beaver
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:13:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/16/13 11:55 AM, wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:05:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/16/13 10:56 AM, wrote: If you really want to preserve beaver habitat, spend some money, buy that land and set it aside for preservation. Why are you depending on sportsmen to do it and then demean the sport that drives them to set aside that land? Ducks Unlimited and the other hunting organizations have protected more wet land than EPA, PETA and the humane society combined and they did it without stealing property from it's owner. Golf courses may represent the only real green space in a lot of suburban areas. Most people do everything they can to discourage wildlife in their own neighborhoods and then they put a PETA sticker on their car and tell other people what they have to do on their property. I'm not *depending* upon self-described "sportsmen" to do anything other than slaughter defenseless animals. You don't really think Ducks Unlimited, et al, are interested in anything more than ways to provide more critters to shoot. It isn't altruism. I appreciated the land set-asides, but I know what is behind them. I think if you have a golf course, you should be willing to share it with whatever wildlife manages to hang on there by its fingernails. If you are not actively preserving habitat, you are depending on the people who do. That is the sportsman you seem to hate. If they stopped, these animals would be gone. The classic example of this is the big game hunting ranches in Texas. They are the only ones who are preserving species that are rapidly going extinct in the wild. It is a managed population. PETA says they would rather have them extinct than have someone shoot one occasionally. I guess they never saw a lion take down a grazing animal. If so they would never say hunting was cruel. Is there something wrong with preserving habitat for the sake of preserving habitat, without having the slaughter of animals as a motivator? Managed population is a euphemistic way of saying canned hunt. Lions take down grazing animals to eat and survive, not for sport. I was fairly neutral on "hunting" until a decade or so ago, when I saw a TV video of a "brave hunter" shooting and killing some distance away a sheep with fancy horns. What a brave man. You're right, ESAD, we keep forgetting what a perfect specimen of mankind you happen to be. Got 'special circumstances'? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:05:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/16/13 10:56 AM, wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:29:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/16/13 10:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:34:59 -0400, BAR wrote: And you wonder why I think it's a good idea to save the environment..... Save it from what? The animals of the earth have been using the enviornment for their benefit for millions and millions of years. I think it is ironic that the only habitat that seems to be available for these animals is the golf course, perhaps the most unnatural plot of land you can have. That's not true. We've seen beavers in the creekbed behind our house. It most definitely is not a golf course. One of the problems is that more and more "critter habitat" is being chopped down and clear cut, and the critters simply have nowhere to go. I'd rather see an untouched wooded area than another area mowed down for another golf course or shopping center. You are out in the boonies, compared to areas closer to DC. If you really want to preserve beaver habitat, spend some money, buy that land and set it aside for preservation. Why are you depending on sportsmen to do it and then demean the sport that drives them to set aside that land? Ducks Unlimited and the other hunting organizations have protected more wet land than EPA, PETA and the humane society combined and they did it without stealing property from it's owner. Golf courses may represent the only real green space in a lot of suburban areas. Most people do everything they can to discourage wildlife in their own neighborhoods and then they put a PETA sticker on their car and tell other people what they have to do on their property. I'm not *depending* upon self-described "sportsmen" to do anything other than slaughter defenseless animals. You don't really think Ducks Unlimited, et al, are interested in anything more than ways to provide more critters to shoot. It isn't altruism. I appreciated the land set-asides, but I know what is behind them. I think if you have a golf course, you should be willing to share it with whatever wildlife manages to hang on there by its fingernails. Yeah... last I understood it, a beaver's work would be considered a natural hazard. Too bad Gregor is a ****ty golfer. |
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