In article ,
says...

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the
fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher
consideration."

That's all correct. Abraham Lincoln wrote that. I looked it up.
It's obvious, but sometimes you have to say it to knock assholes off of
high horses.
You can start a business with just labor, no capital.
Knock on doors after a snowstorm. "Let me use your shovel, pay me 20
bucks and I'll clear your sidewalks and driveway." Grow from there.
It's your labor that has generated capital.
Sales work is labor. Knock on 100 doors making the same offer, and hire
5 guys to do the labor, keeping a cut for yourself.
It's your labor that has generated capital.
Now ****ing try to do that legally without the labor part.
Even if you're Tom Sawyer and get the homeowner to do the labor, it was
labor that generated that 20 bucks.
All "real" capital starts as labor. There's other capital such as
inherited capital, stolen capital, printing press capital, and
"unearned" capital. But even all that started with labor.
No way around it.



"We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we
mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must
remain, separate."

That's all correct. Peggy Noonan wrote that. I looked it up.

On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 22:13:52 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the
fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher
consideration."

That's all correct. Abraham Lincoln wrote that. I looked it up.
It's obvious, but sometimes you have to say it to knock assholes off of
high horses.
You can start a business with just labor, no capital.
Knock on doors after a snowstorm. "Let me use your shovel, pay me 20
bucks and I'll clear your sidewalks and driveway." Grow from there.
It's your labor that has generated capital.
Sales work is labor. Knock on 100 doors making the same offer, and hire
5 guys to do the labor, keeping a cut for yourself.
It's your labor that has generated capital.
Now ****ing try to do that legally without the labor part.
Even if you're Tom Sawyer and get the homeowner to do the labor, it was
labor that generated that 20 bucks.
All "real" capital starts as labor. There's other capital such as
inherited capital, stolen capital, printing press capital, and
"unearned" capital. But even all that started with labor.
No way around it.

Yup, but this doesn't make a dent on the brainless... well, maybe with
the shovel upside the head.


"We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we
mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must
remain, separate."

That's all correct. Peggy Noonan wrote that. I looked it up.

That commie.

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 22:13:52 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the
fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher
consideration."

That's all correct. Abraham Lincoln wrote that. I looked it up.
It's obvious, but sometimes you have to say it to knock assholes off of
high horses.
You can start a business with just labor, no capital.
Knock on doors after a snowstorm. "Let me use your shovel, pay me 20
bucks and I'll clear your sidewalks and driveway." Grow from there.
It's your labor that has generated capital.

How did you get the shovel?

That is the capital of this tiny little business.

You can call the borrowed shovel capital if you like, and the shoes worn
while shoveling capital. They're needed too. But that's laughable,
since labor produced both. And their value pales in comparison to the
labor used to do the shoveling.
I suppose if I used completely tool less labor as an example - like dog-
walking or house sitting - you'd claim the shoes, pants and shirt were
needed capital. Maybe socks too.
Everything starts with labor, even getting out of bed, and deciding what
pair of shoes to put on. Truck driver or Wall Street broker.
How your labor is compensated by increased capital is another matter.
Can't get around it, no matter what steps you use.
I know many here get their panties in a wad when they hear the word
"labor." Well, gee, that's just too bad.

On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 10:47:13 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 02:49:11 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

You can start a business with just labor, no capital.
Knock on doors after a snowstorm. "Let me use your shovel, pay me 20
bucks and I'll clear your sidewalks and driveway." Grow from there.
It's your labor that has generated capital.

How did you get the shovel?

That is the capital of this tiny little business.

You can call the borrowed shovel capital if you like, and the shoes worn
while shoveling capital. They're needed too. But that's laughable,
since labor produced both. And their value pales in comparison to the
labor used to do the shoveling.
I suppose if I used completely tool less labor as an example - like dog-
walking or house sitting - you'd claim the shoes, pants and shirt were
needed capital. Maybe socks too.
Everything starts with labor, even getting out of bed, and deciding what
pair of shoes to put on. Truck driver or Wall Street broker.
How your labor is compensated by increased capital is another matter.
Can't get around it, no matter what steps you use.
I know many here get their panties in a wad when they hear the word
"labor." Well, gee, that's just too bad.

Labor without capital is simply labor, there is no money in it.

In the sense of any business beyond prostitution, you need some kind
of capital to get the business started. Most of the "labor" is in
building the business not simply providing the grunt work.
Perhaps if we wanted to stay a nation of day laborers raking leaves
and shoveling snow, I would see your point but this country was built
by big corporations started by guys like Ford, Carnegie and Edison.
They were all about raising capital and hiring labor.

Thought you said that original labor is what counts. Oh yeah, you keep
forgetting. Alzheimers.