"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the
fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher
consideration."

"We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we
mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must
remain, separate."

On 3/30/2013 10:49 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the
fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher
consideration."

"We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we
mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must
remain, separate."


Feed the laborers cucumber and reserve the bread and wine for those who
think on a higher plane.

In article , says...

On 3/30/2013 10:49 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the
fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher
consideration."

"We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we
mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must
remain, separate."


Feed the laborers cucumber and reserve the bread and wine for those who
think on a higher plane.

Gee, bigoted against laborers too, I see.

On 3/31/2013 9:50 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 3/30/2013 10:49 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the
fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher
consideration."

"We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we
mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must
remain, separate."


Feed the laborers cucumber and reserve the bread and wine for those who
think on a higher plane.

Gee, bigoted against laborers too, I see.


No. It's just plain stupid to pay everyone the same.

On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 08:20:28 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/30/2013 10:49 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the
fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher
consideration."

"We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we
mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must
remain, separate."


Feed the laborers cucumber and reserve the bread and wine for those who
think on a higher plane.

What a ****ing idiot. You're about as anti-American as they come.

You don't have a clue who said these things do you.

Oh.. **** you.

On Mar 31, 11:50*am, Urin Asshole wrote:


You don't have a clue who said these things do you.


The same guy that said: "If children prayed together, would they not
understand what they have in common, and would this not, indeed, bring
them closer, and is this not to be desired? So, I submit to you that
those who claim to be fighting for tolerance on this issue may not be
tolerant at all. "

On Mar 31, 8:40*pm, Tim wrote:
On Mar 31, 11:50*am, Urin Asshole wrote:



You don't have a clue who said these things do you.

The same guy that said: "If children prayed together, would they not
understand what they have in common, and would this not, indeed, bring
them closer, and is this not to be desired? So, I submit to you that
those who claim to be fighting for tolerance on this issue may not be
tolerant at all. "

And this....


"Without God, there is no virtue, because there's no prompting of the
conscience. Without God, we're mired in the material, that flat world
that tells us only what the senses perceive. Without God, there is a
coarsening of the society. And without God, democracy will not and
cannot long endure. If we ever forget that we're one nation under God,
then we will be a nation gone under."

On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 19:22:19 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Mar 31, 8:40*pm, Tim wrote:
On Mar 31, 11:50*am, Urin Asshole wrote:



You don't have a clue who said these things do you.

The same guy that said: "If children prayed together, would they not
understand what they have in common, and would this not, indeed, bring
them closer, and is this not to be desired? So, I submit to you that
those who claim to be fighting for tolerance on this issue may not be
tolerant at all. "

And this....


"Without God, there is no virtue, because there's no prompting of the
conscience. Without God, we're mired in the material, that flat world
that tells us only what the senses perceive. Without God, there is a
coarsening of the society. And without God, democracy will not and
cannot long endure. If we ever forget that we're one nation under God,
then we will be a nation gone under."

And your point?

The point is that despite the other things said, this is a necessity
as well:

"We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we
mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must
remain, separate."

On 3/31/13 10:22 PM, Tim wrote:
On Mar 31, 8:40 pm, Tim wrote:
On Mar 31, 11:50 am, Urin Asshole wrote:



You don't have a clue who said these things do you.

The same guy that said: "If children prayed together, would they not
understand what they have in common, and would this not, indeed, bring
them closer, and is this not to be desired? So, I submit to you that
those who claim to be fighting for tolerance on this issue may not be
tolerant at all. "

And this....


"Without God, there is no virtue, because there's no prompting of the
conscience. Without God, we're mired in the material, that flat world
that tells us only what the senses perceive. Without God, there is a
coarsening of the society. And without God, democracy will not and
cannot long endure. If we ever forget that we're one nation under God,
then we will be a nation gone under."


Selling arms to the Iranians and using the proceeds to fund the
Nicaraguan Contras was certainly virtuous and a prompting of conscience,
about as pure as, say, a major church's highest officials hiding the
pedophilia rampant among its priesthood.

As an agnostic, I can state without hesitation that whether there is a
god is and shall remain beyond my knowledge. But there is no question
that organized religion is bull****.

In article ,
says...

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the
fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher
consideration."

That's all correct. Abraham Lincoln wrote that. I looked it up.
It's obvious, but sometimes you have to say it to knock assholes off of
high horses.
You can start a business with just labor, no capital.
Knock on doors after a snowstorm. "Let me use your shovel, pay me 20
bucks and I'll clear your sidewalks and driveway." Grow from there.
It's your labor that has generated capital.
Sales work is labor. Knock on 100 doors making the same offer, and hire
5 guys to do the labor, keeping a cut for yourself.
It's your labor that has generated capital.
Now ****ing try to do that legally without the labor part.
Even if you're Tom Sawyer and get the homeowner to do the labor, it was
labor that generated that 20 bucks.
All "real" capital starts as labor. There's other capital such as
inherited capital, stolen capital, printing press capital, and
"unearned" capital. But even all that started with labor.
No way around it.



"We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we
mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must
remain, separate."

That's all correct. Peggy Noonan wrote that. I looked it up.