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On 4/2/2013 11:57 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 20:20:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/1/13 7:21 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...

You're not too bright. I told you *directly* I was not playing your
moronic game. Is that too complex and abstract for you?

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Isn't his persistent question about the same as repeatedly asking Scott
how his "blackmail" thing is going?

No. Snotty publicly accused me of perpetrating a blackmail against him,
and he repeated that allegation several times and even said there were
"others" here he informed and they agreed with him. It was personal. Of
course, he never offered his proof here.

I've offered Herring an answer, and it makes perfect sense. It isn't the
answer he wants, but it is an answer. There are other reasons why I
wouldn't own a semi-auto pistol without a real safety.

No, you've not provided an answer.

My semi-autos are not kept ready to fire unless I am ready to fire.

Amen. No need for a safety when there is no round in the chamber.

That would be Condition 0, where a bullet is in the chamber, the hammer is
cocked and the safety is off. You can easily achieve Condition 0 with a
so called "safe action" trigger, which is what Glocks and many other
semi-auto pistols have. There is no safety, so if the slide is racked,
the pistol is ready to fire. No thumb safety.

As is the case with the P250

I also don't keep my pistols in Condition 1, aka "cocked and locked,"
with a bullet in the chamber, a cocked hammer, and the thumb safety on,
unless I am ready to shoot at the range. Then, all I have to do is turn
the thumb safety off. Before I do that, I know the gun will not
discharge, period.

When you chamber a round at the range do you then put the pistol aside, or stand around and shoot
the ****, such that you need to put the thumb safety on? That would violate your first rule - not
ready to fire 'til you're ready to fire. If you've chambered a round, it should be because you're
ready to fire - no need to put the safety on, other than to immediately take it off again while
aiming.

You can't do that with a "safe action" trigger. If you have that sort of
pistol in Condition 1, and there is no safety, a pull on the trigger
will fire the weapon. On a pistol with no safety, there is no real
Condition 1. You're in Condition 0.

Exactly. With a safe action or regular trigger (such as on the P250) a chambered round will be fired
if the trigger is pulled - whether done with a finger, a Sharpie, a dildo, or a popsicle stick. The
moral of that story is to not pull the trigger unless you want the gun to fire.

Pistols with a "safe action" trigger typically are handled in Condition
3, in which the chamber is empty, the hammer or firing pin is down, but
there is a charged magazine in the weapon. That's fairly safe, but you
have to rack the slide to get a round into the chamber.

So? You have to rack the slide to chamber a round with a thumb safety also.

I have seen two demonstrations at big-time firing ranges where the range
safety officer has shown how a Glock can be fired without a finger on
the trigger. A "Sharpie" marking pen can fit in the trigger guard, and
press the "safe action" blade in the middle of the trigger and if more
pressure is exerted the back part of the "safe action" blade will clear,
and the trigger will let the gun fire.

I'll bet a small dildo, popsicle stick, or butter knife could do the same thing. How stupid one must
be to think that only a 'finger' can pull a trigger.

Thus, semi-autos without safeties, like the Glocks, are inherently less
safe than weapons with a thumb safety.

Why? Unless you run around with a round chambered sticking things in the trigger guard. Do you not
think it possible to 'accidentally' put the thumb safety into the fire position?

Here's an interesting web page that shows an accidental discharge on a
semi-auto with no thumb safety:

http://tinyurl.com/brpzttc

Moral of the story - don't use old, oil-softened leather holsters when carrying with a round in the
chamber.

It's not difficult to find these articles.

I'm sure it's not.

The bottom line is that you use your thumb safety while on the range after a round has been
chambered and you're daydreaming about what to do next. Once you've chambered a round you should be
in position to aim and fire the weapon. If and when the RSO calls a 'cease fire', you remove the
round from the chamber and remove the magazine, leaving the slide back. Then place your weapon on
the stand and move away from it.

Surely you're not allowed to simply put the thumb safety on and walk around (unless you're in the
woods killing stumps)

Salmonbait

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An alloy and a polymer are the same

Harry 1----------- John 0

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