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Why we can't have good things
On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 20:38:17 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:38:15 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote: And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite sick in the head. If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything, they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest creature. ----------------------------------------------------------------- You *do* realize (don't you?) that your attitude and feelings about what other people believe in represents a somewhat extreme "religion" unto itself. Yes I do. But you realize that Tim was the one who started the BS about how Jesus has my number, right? If Jesus is just a fantasy and some old dead dude why do you get so animated about what Tim says? Great question! The answer is that the jesus bull**** is responsible for some seriously ****ed up ****. The people who claim to believe that jesus is god, don't actually do anything related to what he preached. Let's assume for a moment that he was at minimum a guy with some great ideas about how to treat people. If that's true, who today actually follows those principles? Hardly anyone. Certainly nobody in the public arena. Those people are a bunch of lunatics that don't even begin to understand the lessons jesus was teaching. You certainly don't and you've demonstrated that over and over. But, that's your right. I look at it this way: The norms, values and the laws that emerge in different societies really have their roots in religion. You are not born with a distinction of right or wrong. Those are values that you acquire from your parents. schools and those who directly influence you during your programming years. But where did they get the roadmap? From their parents, schools and quite often church organizations. If you could keep tracing it back, where did the basic values originate from? I disagree with the original premise. I believe that religion has it's root as genetics and evolution, even demonstrated back in the hunter/gatherer ear. Communities for mutual benefit formed way before religion, way before language. Even animals demostrate compassion and similar. Religion is an artifact of evolution. So you are an adherent of Intelligent Design, you just That bull****? No thanks. There was no god plan involved, and anyone familiar with how the universe works, even our crude understanding, knows better. True, the Bible is often misconstrued by those who try to interpret it and made worse by some zealots who feel it's their duty to educate everyone else with their interpretation. But the fundamentals are there from which the norms and values of our society are based and they aren't particular to any one religion. Same for the Koran and other major religion based "roadmaps". It is mostly misconstrued. A while back I happened to be reading something written by a lifelong atheist. I became interested because his skepticism about many of our religion based beliefs mirrored mine. Like him, I tend to need "proof" of things that I don't understand before I can accept them. In his case though, it became an obsession and he studied the origins of religion in vain, including the Christian Bible, seeking the proof he needed. Never found it. However, what he found was that many of the popular beliefs and conceptions held by believers didn't exist in the Bible either. I don't remember all the specific details, but I recall this: Due to our limited ability to comprehend the concept of a "God", the unknown or even the origin of the universe, we tend to put human terms on things. "God" is perceived by many as some dude sitting up in a place called heaven .... up in the sky ..... looking down on us and watching everything we do. But nowhere in the Bible does it come close to describing such a thing. The Bible describes "God" as a spirit .... not a super human. It's a feeling, not an entity and is expressed by faith. Well, ya see, that's the problem with trying to "prove" something. Science isn't like that. It's about producing verifiable evidence that always has an element of revision. Science says that while it's possible that god exists, the chances are very, very small. Why are scientists looking for the God particle and what created the God particle? Good ****ing grief. There is no "god particle". That's a made up name and has nothing to do with god. It's about how the universe holds itself together. Do yourself a favor and at least attempt a google search before you start down a road stupid and blindfolded. Your mileage may vary. Not if you're a good driver. |
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