On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:38:15 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the
****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no
use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the
lowliest
creature.

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You *do* realize (don't you?) that your attitude and feelings about
what other people believe in represents a somewhat extreme "religion"
unto itself.

Yes I do. But you realize that Tim was the one who started the BS
about how Jesus has my number, right?

But, that's your right.

I look at it this way:

The norms, values and the laws that emerge in different societies
really have their roots in religion. You are not born with a
distinction of right or wrong. Those are values that you acquire from
your parents. schools and those who directly influence you during your
programming years. But where did they get the roadmap? From their
parents, schools and quite often church organizations. If you could
keep tracing it back, where did the basic values originate from?

I disagree with the original premise. I believe that religion has it's
root as genetics and evolution, even demonstrated back in the
hunter/gatherer ear. Communities for mutual benefit formed way before
religion, way before language. Even animals demostrate compassion and
similar. Religion is an artifact of evolution.

True, the Bible is often misconstrued by those who try to interpret it
and made worse by some zealots who feel it's their duty to educate
everyone else with their interpretation. But the fundamentals are
there from which the norms and values of our society are based and
they aren't particular to any one religion. Same for the Koran and
other major religion based "roadmaps".

It is mostly misconstrued.

A while back I happened to be reading something written by a lifelong
atheist. I became interested because his skepticism about many of
our religion based beliefs mirrored mine. Like him, I tend to need
"proof" of things that I don't understand before I can accept them.
In his case though, it became an obsession and he studied the origins
of religion in vain, including the Christian Bible, seeking the proof
he needed. Never found it. However, what he found was that many of
the popular beliefs and conceptions held by believers didn't exist in
the Bible either. I don't remember all the specific details, but I
recall this: Due to our limited ability to comprehend the concept of
a "God", the unknown or even the origin of the universe, we tend to
put human terms on things. "God" is perceived by many as some dude
sitting up in a place called heaven .... up in the sky ..... looking
down on us and watching everything we do. But nowhere in the Bible
does it come close to describing such a thing. The Bible describes
"God" as a spirit .... not a super human. It's a feeling, not an
entity and is expressed by faith.

Well, ya see, that's the problem with trying to "prove" something.
Science isn't like that. It's about producing verifiable evidence that
always has an element of revision.

Science says that while it's possible that god exists, the chances are
very, very small.

Your mileage may vary.

Not if you're a good driver.