On 4/5/13 8:38 AM, Eisboch wrote:

On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest
creature.

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You *do* realize (don't you?) that your attitude and feelings about
what other people believe in represents a somewhat extreme "religion"
unto itself.

But, that's your right.

I look at it this way:

The norms, values and the laws that emerge in different societies really
have their roots in religion. You are not born with a distinction of
right or wrong. Those are values that you acquire from your parents.
schools and those who directly influence you during your programming
years. But where did they get the roadmap? From their parents,
schools and quite often church organizations. If you could keep
tracing it back, where did the basic values originate from?

True, the Bible is often misconstrued by those who try to interpret it
and made worse by some zealots who feel it's their duty to educate
everyone else with their interpretation. But the fundamentals are
there from which the norms and values of our society are based and they
aren't particular to any one religion. Same for the Koran and other
major religion based "roadmaps".

A while back I happened to be reading something written by a lifelong
atheist. I became interested because his skepticism about many of our
religion based beliefs mirrored mine. Like him, I tend to need
"proof" of things that I don't understand before I can accept them. In
his case though, it became an obsession and he studied the origins of
religion in vain, including the Christian Bible, seeking the proof he
needed. Never found it. However, what he found was that many of the
popular beliefs and conceptions held by believers didn't exist in the
Bible either. I don't remember all the specific details, but I recall
this: Due to our limited ability to comprehend the concept of a "God",
the unknown or even the origin of the universe, we tend to put human
terms on things. "God" is perceived by many as some dude sitting up in
a place called heaven .... up in the sky ..... looking down on us and
watching everything we do. But nowhere in the Bible does it come
close to describing such a thing. The Bible describes "God" as a
spirit .... not a super human. It's a feeling, not an entity and is
expressed by faith.

Your mileage may vary.





I posit that nothing has done more to destroy "belief" than organized
religion.