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Why we can't have good things
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:04:31 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:12:56 -0400, J Herring wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:57:49 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/1/2013 10:52 PM, wrote: Hush. Greg is doing a great job of making the asshole guy look like his handle. And, I've got to admit I've learned some things from his side of the posts. Just don't read the Urine stuff, unless you're really in to stupidity. I am actually learning a lot myself. It takes a lot of homework when you need to be able to cite every statement you make. I think this may be the equivalent of getting a poli sci degree at most schools and it is free. ;-) I do thank Al for getting all of the government resources we now have available online. Things that used to require going to a library and thumbing through hundreds of Dewey cards is not a few clicks away. I don't know why I feel obligated to do all of this but it may just be that intellectual curiosity thing Harry talks about. Tell you what - it doesn't bother me a bit. I'm learning all kinds of stuff for nothing, and I can play golf all day while you do the research! Keep up the good work. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
Why we can't have good things
On 4/2/13 1:04 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:12:56 -0400, J Herring wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:57:49 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/1/2013 10:52 PM, wrote: Hush. Greg is doing a great job of making the asshole guy look like his handle. And, I've got to admit I've learned some things from his side of the posts. Just don't read the Urine stuff, unless you're really in to stupidity. I am actually learning a lot myself. It takes a lot of homework when you need to be able to cite every statement you make. I think this may be the equivalent of getting a poli sci degree at most schools and it is free. ;-) I do thank Al for getting all of the government resources we now have available online. Things that used to require going to a library and thumbing through hundreds of Dewey cards is not a few clicks away. I don't know why I feel obligated to do all of this but it may just be that intellectual curiosity thing Harry talks about. Speaking of intellectual curiosity (I find how this particular topic has diverged has made it incredibly tedious and boring to me, though I read some of it), I googled one of my favorite people for the first time and learned a lot about it. Neil deGrasse Tyson. I knew some things about him, but, Holy Batman! He's a real student of the liberal arts, with a Bachelor of Arts in physics from Harvard in 1980 and his graduate work at the University of Texas at Austin, where he earned a Master of Arts in astronomy in 1983. Physics and astronomy, two of the liberal arts. :) |
Why we can't have good things
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:41:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/2/13 1:04 PM, wrote: On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:12:56 -0400, J Herring wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:57:49 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/1/2013 10:52 PM, wrote: Hush. Greg is doing a great job of making the asshole guy look like his handle. And, I've got to admit I've learned some things from his side of the posts. Just don't read the Urine stuff, unless you're really in to stupidity. I am actually learning a lot myself. It takes a lot of homework when you need to be able to cite every statement you make. I think this may be the equivalent of getting a poli sci degree at most schools and it is free. ;-) I do thank Al for getting all of the government resources we now have available online. Things that used to require going to a library and thumbing through hundreds of Dewey cards is not a few clicks away. I don't know why I feel obligated to do all of this but it may just be that intellectual curiosity thing Harry talks about. Speaking of intellectual curiosity (I find how this particular topic has diverged has made it incredibly tedious and boring to me, though I read some of it), I googled one of my favorite people for the first time and learned a lot about it. Neil deGrasse Tyson. I knew some things about him, but, Holy Batman! He's a real student of the liberal arts, with a Bachelor of Arts in physics from Harvard in 1980 and his graduate work at the University of Texas at Austin, where he earned a Master of Arts in astronomy in 1983. Physics and astronomy, two of the liberal arts. :) Finish addressing the issues brought up by your discussion of the manner in which you use 'safeties'. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
Why we can't have good things
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says... On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:41:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/2/13 1:04 PM, wrote: On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:12:56 -0400, J Herring wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:57:49 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/1/2013 10:52 PM, wrote: Hush. Greg is doing a great job of making the asshole guy look like his handle. And, I've got to admit I've learned some things from his side of the posts. Just don't read the Urine stuff, unless you're really in to stupidity. I am actually learning a lot myself. It takes a lot of homework when you need to be able to cite every statement you make. I think this may be the equivalent of getting a poli sci degree at most schools and it is free. ;-) I do thank Al for getting all of the government resources we now have available online. Things that used to require going to a library and thumbing through hundreds of Dewey cards is not a few clicks away. I don't know why I feel obligated to do all of this but it may just be that intellectual curiosity thing Harry talks about. Speaking of intellectual curiosity (I find how this particular topic has diverged has made it incredibly tedious and boring to me, though I read some of it), I googled one of my favorite people for the first time and learned a lot about it. Neil deGrasse Tyson. I knew some things about him, but, Holy Batman! He's a real student of the liberal arts, with a Bachelor of Arts in physics from Harvard in 1980 and his graduate work at the University of Texas at Austin, where he earned a Master of Arts in astronomy in 1983. Physics and astronomy, two of the liberal arts. :) Finish addressing the issues brought up by your discussion of the manner in which you use 'safeties'. Salmonbait Finish your discussion about how polymers and alloys are the same..... |
Why we can't have good things
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says... On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:14:22 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:49:21 -0400, wrote: Why should I, you are good for the money. You seem to enjoy paying for my new boat. Huh? You're the ****ing hypocrit. "Why should I?" for the good of your grandkids asshole. You want everyone else to do the "right thing" but not you. My kids may get most of my SS money when I die. You can kiss continuing SS benefits goodbye when you kick off, except for your widow. She may give that to your kids if she wants to. You'll be dead. But any old person's SS benefit helps their kids, either by them inheriting more when the old fart dies, or by not having to support them when they're alive. That SS money benefits the entire family. Of course some kids wouldn't or couldn't support their old folks. Which makes SS even more indispensable. SS isn't there for you, it's there for everybody. snip You can go to tax stats, look at the raw data and do the computations based on the percentages but you will still end up with about the same numbers. Why would you do that? Actuaries and professional economists have already done it, and prove your contentions about the effect of removing the cap to be just wrong. Total cap removal with increased benefits takes care of 95% of the shortfall. SS benefit calculations are highly progressive, and even with increased benefits for those paying on uncapped income the added revenue reaches 95% of the shortfall. Total cap removal and capping benefits where they are produces 120% of shortfall. But that would be called "commie," so is out of the question. Nobody wants to hear more endless crybabying from those who are opposed to SS because - like you - they say they don't need it. Total cap removal and some adjustment of benefits on the high end would attain 100% of shortfall. So is not a serious problem, except to the extent it's crybabied. You'll provide some of that, I'm sure. BTW, "unfunded mandate" figures are a real crock of **** when revenue streams aren't considered. People commonly have personal unfunded mandates of hundreds of thousands of dollars in the form of mortgages. They also have revenue streams, though not nearly as secure as the U.S. government's. Talking about shortfalls in out years is legitimate. I agree SS should be paygo - after the trust fund is paid back by other gov taxes. Preferably mostly from the "wealthy," which is where most of the "stolen" SS taxes went to according to wealth distribution statistics. If SS had always been paygo, other tax rates would have been higher without the SS taxes going into the general revenue bucket. As it is, with no increased SS tax revenue, trust fund exhausted in 2033, SS will still pay ~75% of current benefits until 2086 under paygo. That's the 2011 75-year projection. It could have already changed. Not the end of the world, and there are many solutions if necessary, including squeezing the wealthy through means testing and higher taxes. Removing the SS income the cap is just one example. And that would be as close to a flat tax as you'll see. But since benefits rates are highly progressive, it's not a regressive tax. Personally, I think nothing should be done with SS until we are close to exhausting the trust fund. Because any surplus revenue will just go back into the general fund, repeating the same bad practice of SS funding non-SS expenditures and keeping other taxes artificially low. Time to get real with taxes. In the end, the people will be well-served, and the crybabies will crybaby. You can take that to the bank, if you can find the way to get there through your tears. Your chicken little attitude will be ignored by the powers that be, and problems will be addressed sanely. It won't stop crybabies, which are always part of the background noise. |
Why we can't have good things
On 4/2/2013 1:04 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:12:56 -0400, J Herring wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:57:49 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/1/2013 10:52 PM, wrote: Hush. Greg is doing a great job of making the asshole guy look like his handle. And, I've got to admit I've learned some things from his side of the posts. Just don't read the Urine stuff, unless you're really in to stupidity. I am actually learning a lot myself. It takes a lot of homework when you need to be able to cite every statement you make. I think this may be the equivalent of getting a poli sci degree at most schools and it is free. ;-) I do thank Al for getting all of the government resources we now have available online. Things that used to require going to a library and thumbing through hundreds of Dewey cards is not a few clicks away. I don't know why I feel obligated to do all of this but it may just be that intellectual curiosity thing Harry talks about. Yeah, I don't waste time citing as I am usually pretty sure of what I say as you have noticed in the last few months. Most of the time you end up citing for me as I don't read kevin's posts, only your side too...:) |
Why we can't have good things
On 4/2/13 6:13 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
Yeah, I don't waste time citing as I am usually pretty sure of what I say as you have noticed in the last few months. Most of us are pretty sure that what you say is based upon nothing more than the voices you hear in your head. |
Why we can't have good things
On 4/2/2013 12:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:25:23 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:26:41 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: So you do whatever you're told, even if it's wrong. If the government is pointing a gun at me, yes I do, don't you? I'm sorry, just what government agent pointed a gun at you and forced you into the program? The IRS and I complied before thy pulled their gun but we all know, if you don't they will come get you. Ask Wesley Snipes. Did they "point a gun" at him?? Snipes? Probably The use of the gun is always implied if you don't comply voluntarily. All laws are ultimately enforced at the point of a gun. That is why cops all carry one. Really? I've gotten speeding tickets, other traffic violations and once when I was young disorderly conduct while on spring break in Ft. Lauderdale. Not once was a gun pointed at me. I had a black Md State cop point a gun at me on the beltway ... but I did have Florida tags. It was a full felony stop (out of the car, lay on the ground, have the car searched etc) He may have been holding a grudge. I got a ticket for going 64 in a 55 on a "pace" and he never claimed I was going any faster. The other cops that stopped to back him up even laughed at him. I did not see any humor in it. I got it tossed in court because he did not show up. I got drawn on once at a stop... I was moving a car for the dealership I worked for, off the clock and was dressed in my leathers head to toe (including my jacket:)... I had the temps from the dealership in the back seat. The cop pulled me over cause I had no plates on. Forgetting my attire, I got out of my car, and I reached in the back window, threw the bag on the roof of the car, and reached in for the plates:) Uh, dumb me.... but a few minutes later when he found out who I worked for, we had a good laugh and went on our way... |
Why we can't have good things
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 01:38:53 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:14:05 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:50:00 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:14:22 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:49:21 -0400, wrote: Why should I, you are good for the money. You seem to enjoy paying for my new boat. Huh? You're the ****ing hypocrit. "Why should I?" for the good of your grandkids asshole. You want everyone else to do the "right thing" but not you. My kids may get most of my SS money when I die. How's that? The country will be completely bankrupt by then. You've been talking about for a while now. Doom is in the air, and it's all your fault. Gold ammo and MREs Mildly funny, but you're probably serious. HI is not capped and raises $182 billion collection 2.9 percent of all wages, tips.etc If you uncapped OASDI (presently capped at $106k) you would raise an extra $140 billion over the $637B we collected in 2010 on a 12.4% tax. I am not going to use 11 or 12 because the 2% tax holiday skews the numbers. That seems like a lot of money but it would barely cover the shortfall in SS/MC now. That deficit goes up every year. "While the combined OASDI program continues to fail the long-range test of close actuarial balance, it does satisfy the test for short-range financial adequacy. The Trustees project that the combined trust fund assets will exceed one year’s projected cost for more than ten years, through 2027. " That assumes the government can come up with the revenue to redeem those bonds. We are borrowing money to pay the interest. When have we not "come up with the money" to honor our debts? Oh yeah, ever. If you are going to "fix" SS./MC you need more than simply uncapping the top limit. I thought you said MC is uncapped? So, you don't know ****. MC (HI) is uncapped and still running a deficit but I hear people, including you saying uncapping OASDI would fix it all. MC as I've said and everyone else has said has different issues. Keep repeating if you think it'll help you. Uncapping SS in wages will certainly help. In any case, it's a long term problem not a short term one. But in your little mind if the issue exists it has to be fixed immediately. It has been a couple years since I did it but the numbers are not really that significant. We just do not have that many W2 people who make more than the $113.7k that it is capped at now. (I think it was $102k when I did it) You can go to IRS.GOV and look at tax stats if you want to see for yourself. They are in Excel format so you can download the files and change the view Feel free to give us your studied, indepth analysis. We know you're an expert accountant among your other bull****. I do know how to crunch numbers, it is actually pretty simple to do this one. Maybe beyond your ability but not that hard. Maybe when you get to high school you will learn a little elementary algebra. Maybe you should try harder to insult me ****head.. you're the ****ing expert, but you can't even figure out that SS and MC are two completely different things. I know they are different brands of the same basic Ponzi but it does give you a convenient way to see what happens when you remove the OASDI cap. HI is not capped and OASDI is, taxing the same salary base. If you interpolate the result of the OASDI rate to the HI rate you get the delta. No. You know how to fake being an intellectual, well-read, and a fair minded person. What you are is a fraud, but I wouldn't call it a Ponzi fraud. You can go to tax stats, look at the raw data and do the computations based on the percentages but you will still end up with about the same numbers. Uh huh. Sure. Bascially, you're pulling the numbers out your ass and smearing it on your **** to make them look better. So you don't even understand the simplest way to explain this. You have told us about higher education, implying you have actually graduated from high school, yet you can't follow math my 9 year old grand daughter can do and you can't finish a sentence without a childish profanity. You have no math skills and horrid language skills. I guess the world needs hamburger flippers too. Good luck You can insult me all you want dickbrain. The point is that you're no expert. You don't have the answers, and anyone who proposes simple solutions that will have a great effect in the long term are no good, because they don't solve the entire problem immediately. **** you. Happy? |
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