On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:03:05 -0500, amdx wrote:

On 4/1/2013 12:42 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 11:37:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:45:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:17:23 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 09:34:37 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:16:21 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:45:59 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:49:00 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

What "facts"? The whole program is based on the ability of the
government to borrow more money and raise taxes more.
There is no "trust funds" they spent every dime of that money and it
is unclear how they will ever pay it back.

Feel free to dispute the facts. That don't make you right.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/fundFAQ.html

That demonstrates that the federal government spent all of the surplus
and they promise to pay it back but they have not said how.

If you loan someone or some entity money, do you really care how they
made the money to pay you back as long as it's legitimate?
.

I would not willingly put money in a Ponzi scheme in the first place.

That's not even close to what I asked.

If you are asking whether I will cash my SS checks, yes I will but I
do wonder how they are actually getting the money. Unfortunately a lot
of it is simply created out of thin air and I know that is the road to
runaway inflation.

Still not what I asked.

The question was meaningless in this context.

SS was never a loan or an investment. It was simply taxation into a
pay as you go program with the government spending the surplus as
ordinary revenue. After 1968 that was made clear when SS was put on
budget. Now that program is not collecting enough to pay as they go
and the government does not seem to have the will to tax at a rate to
maintain the program. We borrow 40% of the shortfall right now. (or
simply print money)
They are not making the money to pay me back at all. They are simply
passing debt on to my kids.


It has a trust fund, and it's 100% solvent for 25 years. After that,
95%. A small fix, not the voucher system Ryan the Moron aka Ayn Rand
wants.

Yes, that trust fund is part of the 17 trillion in US debt. That
means it has been spent. Our younger taxpayers will need to earn it
again to pay for those in retirement. That means it will get earned
twice and spent twice.
Mikek

Whew... looks like you're starting to have some brain foam. Take a
****in chill pill. I don't give a **** how stupid you are. You don't
have to keep demonstrating it. I get it.

On Friday, April 5, 2013 9:21:59 AM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:


I guess we must have led a very sheltered life despite having lived in

many different states and countries, including two years in your

general area (Annapolis, MD). In nearly 45 years we were only

approached once by pushy, religious representatives trying to recruit

or convert and that was in Zion, IL, back in 1972. The

"conversation" lasted about 10 seconds and has never happened since.

Those are my experiences as well. I've lived all my life in the "Bible Belt" in rural, "semi-rural" and urban settings, and can count on one hand the times that someone has actually come to my door or approached me promoting any religion. Almost every time it's happened they've been Mormons, and they are polite and leave after I tell them I'm not interested.

Maybe some people just attract this type of thing? They look for those that need it most, you know... :-)

On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 15:55:47 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 23:31:58 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 00:58:47 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:44:34 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 22:03:28 -0400, wrote:


Ok Mr. ****head. Is that your name? It's certainly your bull****.

I think enough about my opinions that I sign them with my real name.

Feel free to invite all the crazies to your house. I think enough
about my and my family's well being to be a bit more prudent.

Cowardly punk hiding in your basement spewing bull**** anonymously.
That is why we don't really take you seriously.

Yet you seem to. I wonder what that says about some guy who pretends
to actually think but is in reality no better than the overtly racist,
ignorant ****s that frequent this newsgroup.

You're not much of a man, and apparently have no regard for your
"cherished" family.

My wife can kick your ass and I don't take you seriously in any way.
What's your point?

How many guys' asses has she kicked? Do you get a thrill out of it?
Has she kicked yours? Is that how you know?

You seem confident that no crazy person who doesn't like what you say
won't just show up. Good for you. I prefer to use common sense and not
publish my home address.

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On Apr 5, 1:29*am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest
creature.

LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face...

My daughter is away at college. We went to parents weekend, tour the campus and go to a
football game. My daughter invited us to tail-gate with the CSC (Catholic Student Center).
Father Rob was telling us about the CSC and he made a point to ask us if we had seen the
chapel and to tell us about the work they want to do in their chapel. Freaking Catholics, it
doesn't matter where you go there is always a building fund.

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On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:38:15 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the
****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no
use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the
lowliest
creature.

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You *do* realize (don't you?) that your attitude and feelings about
what other people believe in represents a somewhat extreme "religion"
unto itself.

Yes I do. But you realize that Tim was the one who started the BS
about how Jesus has my number, right?

If Jesus is just a fantasy and some old dead dude why do you get so animated about what Tim
says?


But, that's your right.

I look at it this way:

The norms, values and the laws that emerge in different societies
really have their roots in religion. You are not born with a
distinction of right or wrong. Those are values that you acquire from
your parents. schools and those who directly influence you during your
programming years. But where did they get the roadmap? From their
parents, schools and quite often church organizations. If you could
keep tracing it back, where did the basic values originate from?

I disagree with the original premise. I believe that religion has it's
root as genetics and evolution, even demonstrated back in the
hunter/gatherer ear. Communities for mutual benefit formed way before
religion, way before language. Even animals demostrate compassion and
similar. Religion is an artifact of evolution.

So you are an adherent of Intelligent Design, you just


True, the Bible is often misconstrued by those who try to interpret it
and made worse by some zealots who feel it's their duty to educate
everyone else with their interpretation. But the fundamentals are
there from which the norms and values of our society are based and
they aren't particular to any one religion. Same for the Koran and
other major religion based "roadmaps".

It is mostly misconstrued.

A while back I happened to be reading something written by a lifelong
atheist. I became interested because his skepticism about many of
our religion based beliefs mirrored mine. Like him, I tend to need
"proof" of things that I don't understand before I can accept them.
In his case though, it became an obsession and he studied the origins
of religion in vain, including the Christian Bible, seeking the proof
he needed. Never found it. However, what he found was that many of
the popular beliefs and conceptions held by believers didn't exist in
the Bible either. I don't remember all the specific details, but I
recall this: Due to our limited ability to comprehend the concept of
a "God", the unknown or even the origin of the universe, we tend to
put human terms on things. "God" is perceived by many as some dude
sitting up in a place called heaven .... up in the sky ..... looking
down on us and watching everything we do. But nowhere in the Bible
does it come close to describing such a thing. The Bible describes
"God" as a spirit .... not a super human. It's a feeling, not an
entity and is expressed by faith.

Well, ya see, that's the problem with trying to "prove" something.
Science isn't like that. It's about producing verifiable evidence that
always has an element of revision.

Science says that while it's possible that god exists, the chances are
very, very small.

Why are scientists looking for the God particle and what created the God particle?


Your mileage may vary.

Not if you're a good driver.

On 4/5/2013 8:29 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest
creature.

LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face...

My daughter is away at college. We went to parents weekend, tour the campus and go to a
football game. My daughter invited us to tail-gate with the CSC (Catholic Student Center).
Father Rob was telling us about the CSC and he made a point to ask us if we had seen the
chapel and to tell us about the work they want to do in their chapel. Freaking Catholics, it
doesn't matter where you go there is always a building fund.

You know what they say about idle hands. The padres are just keeping the
union bricklayers off the streets and out of mischief.

On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 20:38:17 -0400, BAR wrote:

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On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:38:15 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the
****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no
use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the
lowliest
creature.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

You *do* realize (don't you?) that your attitude and feelings about
what other people believe in represents a somewhat extreme "religion"
unto itself.

Yes I do. But you realize that Tim was the one who started the BS
about how Jesus has my number, right?

If Jesus is just a fantasy and some old dead dude why do you get so animated about what Tim
says?

Great question! The answer is that the jesus bull**** is responsible
for some seriously ****ed up ****. The people who claim to believe
that jesus is god, don't actually do anything related to what he
preached. Let's assume for a moment that he was at minimum a guy with
some great ideas about how to treat people. If that's true, who today
actually follows those principles? Hardly anyone. Certainly nobody in
the public arena. Those people are a bunch of lunatics that don't even
begin to understand the lessons jesus was teaching. You certainly
don't and you've demonstrated that over and over.



But, that's your right.

I look at it this way:

The norms, values and the laws that emerge in different societies
really have their roots in religion. You are not born with a
distinction of right or wrong. Those are values that you acquire from
your parents. schools and those who directly influence you during your
programming years. But where did they get the roadmap? From their
parents, schools and quite often church organizations. If you could
keep tracing it back, where did the basic values originate from?

I disagree with the original premise. I believe that religion has it's
root as genetics and evolution, even demonstrated back in the
hunter/gatherer ear. Communities for mutual benefit formed way before
religion, way before language. Even animals demostrate compassion and
similar. Religion is an artifact of evolution.

So you are an adherent of Intelligent Design, you just

That bull****? No thanks. There was no god plan involved, and anyone
familiar with how the universe works, even our crude understanding,
knows better.


True, the Bible is often misconstrued by those who try to interpret it
and made worse by some zealots who feel it's their duty to educate
everyone else with their interpretation. But the fundamentals are
there from which the norms and values of our society are based and
they aren't particular to any one religion. Same for the Koran and
other major religion based "roadmaps".

It is mostly misconstrued.

A while back I happened to be reading something written by a lifelong
atheist. I became interested because his skepticism about many of
our religion based beliefs mirrored mine. Like him, I tend to need
"proof" of things that I don't understand before I can accept them.
In his case though, it became an obsession and he studied the origins
of religion in vain, including the Christian Bible, seeking the proof
he needed. Never found it. However, what he found was that many of
the popular beliefs and conceptions held by believers didn't exist in
the Bible either. I don't remember all the specific details, but I
recall this: Due to our limited ability to comprehend the concept of
a "God", the unknown or even the origin of the universe, we tend to
put human terms on things. "God" is perceived by many as some dude
sitting up in a place called heaven .... up in the sky ..... looking
down on us and watching everything we do. But nowhere in the Bible
does it come close to describing such a thing. The Bible describes
"God" as a spirit .... not a super human. It's a feeling, not an
entity and is expressed by faith.

Well, ya see, that's the problem with trying to "prove" something.
Science isn't like that. It's about producing verifiable evidence that
always has an element of revision.

Science says that while it's possible that god exists, the chances are
very, very small.

Why are scientists looking for the God particle and what created the God particle?

Good ****ing grief. There is no "god particle". That's a made up name
and has nothing to do with god. It's about how the universe holds
itself together.

Do yourself a favor and at least attempt a google search before you
start down a road stupid and blindfolded.



Your mileage may vary.

Not if you're a good driver.

On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 20:29:56 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Apr 5, 1:29*am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest
creature.

LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face...

My daughter is away at college. We went to parents weekend, tour the campus and go to a
football game. My daughter invited us to tail-gate with the CSC (Catholic Student Center).
Father Rob was telling us about the CSC and he made a point to ask us if we had seen the
chapel and to tell us about the work they want to do in their chapel. Freaking Catholics, it
doesn't matter where you go there is always a building fund.

Maybe she'll smarten up and stay away when she graduates.

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says...

On Friday, April 5, 2013 9:21:59 AM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:


I guess we must have led a very sheltered life despite having lived in

many different states and countries, including two years in your

general area (Annapolis, MD). In nearly 45 years we were only

approached once by pushy, religious representatives trying to recruit

or convert and that was in Zion, IL, back in 1972. The

"conversation" lasted about 10 seconds and has never happened since.

Those are my experiences as well. I've lived all my life in the "Bible Belt" in rural, "semi-rural" and urban settings, and can count on one hand the times that someone has actually come to my door or approached me promoting any religion. Almost every time it's happened they've been Mormons, and they are polite and leave after I tell them I'm not interested.

Maybe some people just attract this type of thing? They look for those that need it most, you know... :-)

Well, around here everyone must need it then, because we have people
come door to door EVERY door, wanting to minister to you I'd say average
every other weekend.

On 4/6/13 9:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Friday, April 5, 2013 9:21:59 AM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:


I guess we must have led a very sheltered life despite having lived in

many different states and countries, including two years in your

general area (Annapolis, MD). In nearly 45 years we were only

approached once by pushy, religious representatives trying to recruit

or convert and that was in Zion, IL, back in 1972. The

"conversation" lasted about 10 seconds and has never happened since.

Those are my experiences as well. I've lived all my life in the "Bible Belt" in rural, "semi-rural" and urban settings, and can count on one hand the times that someone has actually come to my door or approached me promoting any religion. Almost every time it's happened they've been Mormons, and they are polite and leave after I tell them I'm not interested.

Maybe some people just attract this type of thing? They look for those that need it most, you know... :-)

Well, around here everyone must need it then, because we have people
come door to door EVERY door, wanting to minister to you I'd say average
every other weekend.



We used to see the active proselytizers at the front door several times
a month when we lived in the south, but not so much here. If the
doorbell rings during the day, the odds are the callers are from a local
church whose members are out trying to drum up business for Sunday. I
don't mind that. If the "door cam" tells me they're black, I'll usually
answer and open the door and say hello, because I know a few of the
black ministers down here and it is likely the callers are from one of
those churches.