On 3/7/13 9:07 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 3/7/2013 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
On Mar 7, 1:01 am, jps wrote:
On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 19:28:45 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Mar 6, 12:52 pm, jps wrote:
On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:28:38 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWxq3...ature=youtu.be

Sadly, only an SNL spoof.

OMG, that's hilarious. Tim's kinda Jesus.

No it's not. Maybe it's actually yours?

Oh golly, my bad. Thought you were into guns like your winger
brethren here.

This Rambo Jesus represents everything the fundamentalist movement in
Merica is about. Support the death penalty, support war, support
killing doctors who provide health care to women who want abortions.
They want "freedom" but desire the power to control women's
reproductive choices? They hate immigrants, people of color, fags,
liberals and whomever else threatens their status quo or Tim Tebow.

Real Christians are saddled with the proximity of these misogynistic,
paternalistic, violent sects of Neanderthal "Christians." Which is
unfair since Neanderthals didn't get a chance to believe in Jesus.

Wow, such self-interpreted theology!

Awesome that SNL put into pictures what most of us liberals witness in
the fundamentalist movement. Merican Taliban.

No, they put into pictures what you want to believe.


No, they are just putting in pictures, the hate the left has for anybody
that isn't them... It's kind of like when I lived in the south with the
KKK all around.

Are you saying that the Crusades weren't a blood bath?



You don't have to go back that far to find examples of religious wars
perpetrated by self-described christians. Christians waged wars on Jews
for many centuries after the Middle Ages. Christians waged war against
Muslims in the 1990s.

On 3/7/13 10:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 09:16:29 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

You don't have to go back that far to find examples of religious wars
perpetrated by self-described christians. Christians waged wars on Jews
for many centuries after the Middle Ages. Christians waged war against
Muslims in the 1990s.

Europeans reoccupied the holy land in 1948. That is the current
crusade


If you are referring to the Jews, they were occupying the
"Holy Land" long before the Muslims. Also, the day after the state of
Israel was "declared" in 1948, the neighboring Arab states initiated a
war by invading.

On 3/7/13 11:45 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 10:56:07 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/7/13 10:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 09:16:29 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

You don't have to go back that far to find examples of religious wars
perpetrated by self-described christians. Christians waged wars on Jews
for many centuries after the Middle Ages. Christians waged war against
Muslims in the 1990s.

Europeans reoccupied the holy land in 1948. That is the current
crusade


If you are referring to the Jews, they were occupying the
"Holy Land" long before the Muslims. Also, the day after the state of
Israel was "declared" in 1948, the neighboring Arab states initiated a
war by invading.

Invading or simply trying to get their land back?

The fact remains that a lot of Europeans moved into a place where they
had no recent heritage and claimed it as their own, much like the
other dozen or so crusades.

I find it funny when people who ridicule the Bible will let a group
use it as the basis for a land grab. There are even a few retired IDF
generals who are saying the current government is going too far,
comparing them to the nazis they moved there to evade.


Invading. The invasions came from without.

Contemporary Jewish society and population in Israel predates 1948.

On 3/7/13 5:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 12:07:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

The fact remains that a lot of Europeans moved into a place where they
had no recent heritage and claimed it as their own, much like the
other dozen or so crusades.

I find it funny when people who ridicule the Bible will let a group
use it as the basis for a land grab. There are even a few retired IDF
generals who are saying the current government is going too far,
comparing them to the nazis they moved there to evade.


Invading. The invasions came from without.

Contemporary Jewish society and population in Israel predates 1948.


Most of the Jewish residents of Israel have European or American
heritage and immigrated there since 1948. A large number are actually
first or second generation there.


Yeah, most of the adult Israelis who were there prior to 1948 are dead.
Good call but not relevant to Jews in large numbers being in Israel
prior to 1948, and relevant to the fact that after the State of Israel
was declared, its Arab neighbor countries attacked.

On 3/8/13 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:19:52 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/7/13 5:11 PM, wrote:


Contemporary Jewish society and population in Israel predates 1948.


Most of the Jewish residents of Israel have European or American
heritage and immigrated there since 1948. A large number are actually
first or second generation there.


Yeah, most of the adult Israelis who were there prior to 1948 are dead.
Good call but not relevant to Jews in large numbers being in Israel
prior to 1948, and relevant to the fact that after the State of Israel
was declared, its Arab neighbor countries attacked.

When Germans invaded Russia the Russians attacked too. So what.

When they declared "the State of Israel" it was to the exc;lusion of
the resident muslim population and they have been treating them as a
disenfranchised race since then. It is not that much different than
what South Africa was like during apartheid.

The fact is, if you look about 95% of the current Jewish population of
Israel, their grandparents were NOT living in Palestine in 1945.



The resident Muslim population was offered full citizenship and
partnership.

On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 12:49:43 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/8/13 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:19:52 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/7/13 5:11 PM, wrote:


Contemporary Jewish society and population in Israel predates 1948.


Most of the Jewish residents of Israel have European or American
heritage and immigrated there since 1948. A large number are actually
first or second generation there.


Yeah, most of the adult Israelis who were there prior to 1948 are dead.
Good call but not relevant to Jews in large numbers being in Israel
prior to 1948, and relevant to the fact that after the State of Israel
was declared, its Arab neighbor countries attacked.

When Germans invaded Russia the Russians attacked too. So what.

When they declared "the State of Israel" it was to the exc;lusion of
the resident muslim population and they have been treating them as a
disenfranchised race since then. It is not that much different than
what South Africa was like during apartheid.

The fact is, if you look about 95% of the current Jewish population of
Israel, their grandparents were NOT living in Palestine in 1945.



The resident Muslim population was offered full citizenship and
partnership.

And they are the most quickly growing part of the population there.

On 3/8/13 2:57 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 12:49:43 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/8/13 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:19:52 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/7/13 5:11 PM, wrote:


Contemporary Jewish society and population in Israel predates 1948.


Most of the Jewish residents of Israel have European or American
heritage and immigrated there since 1948. A large number are actually
first or second generation there.


Yeah, most of the adult Israelis who were there prior to 1948 are dead.
Good call but not relevant to Jews in large numbers being in Israel
prior to 1948, and relevant to the fact that after the State of Israel
was declared, its Arab neighbor countries attacked.

When Germans invaded Russia the Russians attacked too. So what.

When they declared "the State of Israel" it was to the exc;lusion of
the resident muslim population and they have been treating them as a
disenfranchised race since then. It is not that much different than
what South Africa was like during apartheid.

The fact is, if you look about 95% of the current Jewish population of
Israel, their grandparents were NOT living in Palestine in 1945.



The resident Muslim population was offered full citizenship and
partnership.

Tell that to the people on the West Bank.


Most of the people on the West Bank weren't alive in 1947-48 when full
citizenship and participation were offered. In fact, most of the people
on the West Bank back then were in Israel itself before they decided to
leave and then make war on Israel. The Jordanians sure as hell didn't
want them. So, what have the so-called Palestinians done since 1948 to
turn the lands they took over into self-sustaining areas?

Nothing. Many of them are still living like refugees, hopeful that one
day they will push the Jews into the Mediterranean. And did their Arab
/Muslim brothers from oil-rich Araby step up to help their Palestinian
brothers build a state?

No.

On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:37:16 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:16:46 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Most of the people on the West Bank weren't alive in 1947-48 when full
citizenship and participation were offered. In fact, most of the people
on the West Bank back then were in Israel itself before they decided to
leave and then make war on Israel. The Jordanians sure as hell didn't
want them. So, what have the so-called Palestinians done since 1948 to
turn the lands they took over into self-sustaining areas?

Leave or be run out? and they would say they never had the opportunity
to develop their land, in fact any time it got a little nicer, they
would be "settled" by Israelis.

. Many of them are still living like refugees, hopeful that one
day they will push the Jews into the Mediterranean.

They are refugees, living under the boot of their Israeli occupiers.


And did their Arab
/Muslim brothers from oil-rich Araby step up to help their Palestinian
brothers build a state?

Build a state where?

The best parallel I can think of to the Palestinians is the American
Indian ... except this happened in the last half of 20th century, not
the 19th century. This is the final European colonial expansion, right
at the time when Europe was giving up it's colonies.

Under the boot? In Israel? Hardly. There are problems with the
occupied territories... they should stop that activity, but the
Iraelies have tried many many times to make peace..

As to citizenship, see the wiki.

According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, the Arab
population in 2010 was estimated at 1,573,000, representing 20.4% of
the country's population. The majority of these identify themselves as
Arab or Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship.