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On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 12:57:10 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2013 10:11:14 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:


There is a website that lists some 3000 known Gods that people have or
do worship. What makes you sure that your's is the real one?

http://tinyurl.com/aqsgu4l

A truly spiritual man respects them all.

A truly thinking man discounts them all.

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On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 12:49:43 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/8/13 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:19:52 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/7/13 5:11 PM, wrote:


Contemporary Jewish society and population in Israel predates 1948.


Most of the Jewish residents of Israel have European or American
heritage and immigrated there since 1948. A large number are actually
first or second generation there.


Yeah, most of the adult Israelis who were there prior to 1948 are dead.
Good call but not relevant to Jews in large numbers being in Israel
prior to 1948, and relevant to the fact that after the State of Israel
was declared, its Arab neighbor countries attacked.

When Germans invaded Russia the Russians attacked too. So what.

When they declared "the State of Israel" it was to the exc;lusion of
the resident muslim population and they have been treating them as a
disenfranchised race since then. It is not that much different than
what South Africa was like during apartheid.

The fact is, if you look about 95% of the current Jewish population of
Israel, their grandparents were NOT living in Palestine in 1945.



The resident Muslim population was offered full citizenship and
partnership.

And they are the most quickly growing part of the population there.

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On 3/8/13 2:57 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 12:49:43 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/8/13 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:19:52 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/7/13 5:11 PM, wrote:


Contemporary Jewish society and population in Israel predates 1948.


Most of the Jewish residents of Israel have European or American
heritage and immigrated there since 1948. A large number are actually
first or second generation there.


Yeah, most of the adult Israelis who were there prior to 1948 are dead.
Good call but not relevant to Jews in large numbers being in Israel
prior to 1948, and relevant to the fact that after the State of Israel
was declared, its Arab neighbor countries attacked.

When Germans invaded Russia the Russians attacked too. So what.

When they declared "the State of Israel" it was to the exc;lusion of
the resident muslim population and they have been treating them as a
disenfranchised race since then. It is not that much different than
what South Africa was like during apartheid.

The fact is, if you look about 95% of the current Jewish population of
Israel, their grandparents were NOT living in Palestine in 1945.



The resident Muslim population was offered full citizenship and
partnership.

Tell that to the people on the West Bank.


Most of the people on the West Bank weren't alive in 1947-48 when full
citizenship and participation were offered. In fact, most of the people
on the West Bank back then were in Israel itself before they decided to
leave and then make war on Israel. The Jordanians sure as hell didn't
want them. So, what have the so-called Palestinians done since 1948 to
turn the lands they took over into self-sustaining areas?

Nothing. Many of them are still living like refugees, hopeful that one
day they will push the Jews into the Mediterranean. And did their Arab
/Muslim brothers from oil-rich Araby step up to help their Palestinian
brothers build a state?

No.

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2013 13:11:43 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


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He stopped because he had to take a ****.


He stopped because holder made the statement he should have made in
the first place.

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If you want to get all technical about it, Rand Paul ended his
filibuster at 12:39 am on Thursday, March 7th.

Ending the filibuster, he stated, “I would go for another 12 hours to
try to break Strom Thurmond’s record, but I’ve discovered that there
are some limits to filibustering and I’m going to have to go take care
of one of those in a few minutes here.�

Holder's letter came later that day.

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On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:37:16 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:16:46 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Most of the people on the West Bank weren't alive in 1947-48 when full
citizenship and participation were offered. In fact, most of the people
on the West Bank back then were in Israel itself before they decided to
leave and then make war on Israel. The Jordanians sure as hell didn't
want them. So, what have the so-called Palestinians done since 1948 to
turn the lands they took over into self-sustaining areas?

Leave or be run out? and they would say they never had the opportunity
to develop their land, in fact any time it got a little nicer, they
would be "settled" by Israelis.

. Many of them are still living like refugees, hopeful that one
day they will push the Jews into the Mediterranean.

They are refugees, living under the boot of their Israeli occupiers.


And did their Arab
/Muslim brothers from oil-rich Araby step up to help their Palestinian
brothers build a state?

Build a state where?

The best parallel I can think of to the Palestinians is the American
Indian ... except this happened in the last half of 20th century, not
the 19th century. This is the final European colonial expansion, right
at the time when Europe was giving up it's colonies.

Under the boot? In Israel? Hardly. There are problems with the
occupied territories... they should stop that activity, but the
Iraelies have tried many many times to make peace..

As to citizenship, see the wiki.

According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, the Arab
population in 2010 was estimated at 1,573,000, representing 20.4% of
the country's population. The majority of these identify themselves as
Arab or Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship.

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On 3/9/2013 6:11 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Religion is fine. Just don't try to force it down the throats of those
who believe differently, or not at all, eh?

If you'd shut your mouth once and a while, it wouldn't be so easy to
drop things into your throat. ;-)

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On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 11:18:08 -0800, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 12:57:10 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2013 10:11:14 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:


There is a website that lists some 3000 known Gods that people have or
do worship. What makes you sure that your's is the real one?

http://tinyurl.com/aqsgu4l

A truly spiritual man respects them all.

A truly thinking man discounts them all.

You don't have to share someone's belief to respect it but the new
left doesn't respect anything.

You are correct. It's clearly happening on both sides of the fence. No
one can work together for the greater good anymore. The far flung left
is indeed just as crazed as the far flung right.

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On 3/8/2013 3:23 AM, Tim wrote:
On Mar 8, 1:51 am, thumper wrote:
On 3/7/2013 5:03 AM, Tim wrote:

Wow, such self-interpreted theology!

How do you interpret theology? By accepting 'authorities'? How then do
you decide which authorities to accept if not by your own judgement?

It’s like the way you can look at clouds, and some people see
something that looks like a puppy, and other people see a God figure
staring down and hating them for that one time what they did in that
room with the neighbor, and they think the cloud is following them and
then they are afraid to look in mirrors because that is the secret way
that the cloud can spy on them that no one else can see, which is
clearly why they had no choice but to try to hurt the neighbor’s dog.

That's creepy... perhaps a bit too much insight into your thinking.

Some to to God as something to be mocked as well as his followers.

Some think gods are simply non-existent. Do you respect all
supernatural beliefs? Islam? Scientology?

Then there's those who look at God as a loving father.

Fortunately I had a real loving father, that was quite sufficient.

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On 3/9/2013 12:19 PM, thumper wrote:
On 3/8/2013 3:23 AM, Tim wrote:
On Mar 8, 1:51 am, thumper wrote:
On 3/7/2013 5:03 AM, Tim wrote:

Wow, such self-interpreted theology!

How do you interpret theology? By accepting 'authorities'? How then do
you decide which authorities to accept if not by your own judgement?

It’s like the way you can look at clouds, and some people see
something that looks like a puppy, and other people see a God figure
staring down and hating them for that one time what they did in that
room with the neighbor, and they think the cloud is following them and
then they are afraid to look in mirrors because that is the secret way
that the cloud can spy on them that no one else can see, which is
clearly why they had no choice but to try to hurt the neighbor’s dog.

That's creepy... perhaps a bit too much insight into your thinking.

Some to to God as something to be mocked as well as his followers.

Some think gods are simply non-existent. Do you respect all
supernatural beliefs? Islam? Scientology?

I do.. it was one of the things my dad pushed so hard. It's my opinion
that if you are living your life in respect to your God, I can respect
that cause really, we are all looking at the same entity, we just call
him by different names...

Then there's those who look at God as a loving father.

Fortunately I had a real loving father, that was quite sufficient.

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On 3/9/13 12:24 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/9/2013 12:19 PM, thumper wrote:


Some think gods are simply non-existent. Do you respect all
supernatural beliefs? Islam? Scientology?

I do.. it was one of the things my dad pushed so hard. It's my opinion
that if you are living your life in respect to your God, I can respect
that cause really, we are all looking at the same entity, we just call
him by different names...


How could you possibly know whether we are all "looking at the same
entity" and why a "he"?
And how do you live your life in "respect to your God"? Do you mean
follow the teachings?" One of the professed christians in this newsgroup
just suggested dropping someone out of a helicopter. Do you think he is
living his life in respect to his god?

From what I have observed here, the god entity is no more than a
convenient crutch.