On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:08:57 -0800, jps wrote:



Why is it considered punishment to limit the number of guns and ammo

that are owned by the public?



What would be the point?



Is it punishment that I want to own a tank with the capacity to shell

an area of the desert that wouldn't be affected by my hobby? Why

can't I own surface to air missles so that I can shoot down my own

drones? Why can't I own a mortar setup so I can play with it when I

want to?



Why am I being punished?



That is a red herring, those things have been illegal for 50 years





I wonder what would happen with the suicide stats if guns were

incapable of shooting the person holding them. Would they find

another way? What percentage? Should we make other, less violent

methods available to suicidal persons?



The lack of guns has not affected the suicide rate in Japan, one of

the left's favorite example of gun control.





Lastly, what do you suppose the percentages of young people (let's say

under 20) that die in gun related homicides or suicides vs all those

other maladies? I'm sure a lot die in car accidents but all those

stats above? Not so many.



The ratio of young people who die in cars is pretty close to guns.



Maybe we should ban any car that goes over 70 MPH, put mandatory

breatholizers on the ignition and keep them from running if the seat

belts are not fastened. (they actually tried that in 1974)

That might save more people than banning guns.


Might not be a bad idea...doesn't seem sensible to put autos on the road capable of double the legal speed...or more.
Some kind of limiter could keep speed down to 75 or so while not limiting towing capacity.

On 2/19/2013 12:52 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:08:57 -0800, jps wrote:



Why is it considered punishment to limit the number of guns and ammo

that are owned by the public?



What would be the point?



Is it punishment that I want to own a tank with the capacity to shell

an area of the desert that wouldn't be affected by my hobby? Why

can't I own surface to air missles so that I can shoot down my own

drones? Why can't I own a mortar setup so I can play with it when I

want to?



Why am I being punished?



That is a red herring, those things have been illegal for 50 years





I wonder what would happen with the suicide stats if guns were

incapable of shooting the person holding them. Would they find

another way? What percentage? Should we make other, less violent

methods available to suicidal persons?



The lack of guns has not affected the suicide rate in Japan, one of

the left's favorite example of gun control.





Lastly, what do you suppose the percentages of young people (let's say

under 20) that die in gun related homicides or suicides vs all those

other maladies? I'm sure a lot die in car accidents but all those

stats above? Not so many.



The ratio of young people who die in cars is pretty close to guns.



Maybe we should ban any car that goes over 70 MPH, put mandatory

breatholizers on the ignition and keep them from running if the seat

belts are not fastened. (they actually tried that in 1974)

That might save more people than banning guns.


Might not be a bad idea...doesn't seem sensible to put autos on the road capable of double the legal speed...or more.
Some kind of limiter could keep speed down to 75 or so while not limiting towing capacity.

What's the towing capacity of your Rav 4?

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:19:17 -0500, Meyer wrote:

On 2/19/2013 12:52 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:08:57 -0800, jps wrote:



Why is it considered punishment to limit the number of guns and ammo

that are owned by the public?



What would be the point?



Is it punishment that I want to own a tank with the capacity to shell

an area of the desert that wouldn't be affected by my hobby? Why

can't I own surface to air missles so that I can shoot down my own

drones? Why can't I own a mortar setup so I can play with it when I

want to?



Why am I being punished?



That is a red herring, those things have been illegal for 50 years





I wonder what would happen with the suicide stats if guns were

incapable of shooting the person holding them. Would they find

another way? What percentage? Should we make other, less violent

methods available to suicidal persons?



The lack of guns has not affected the suicide rate in Japan, one of

the left's favorite example of gun control.





Lastly, what do you suppose the percentages of young people (let's say

under 20) that die in gun related homicides or suicides vs all those

other maladies? I'm sure a lot die in car accidents but all those

stats above? Not so many.



The ratio of young people who die in cars is pretty close to guns.



Maybe we should ban any car that goes over 70 MPH, put mandatory

breatholizers on the ignition and keep them from running if the seat

belts are not fastened. (they actually tried that in 1974)

That might save more people than banning guns.


Might not be a bad idea...doesn't seem sensible to put autos on the road capable of double the legal speed...or more.
Some kind of limiter could keep speed down to 75 or so while not limiting towing capacity.

What's the towing capacity of your Rav 4?

If it's a 2009 with a v6, and he's really full of bravado, he can tow 2000lbs. That doesn't mean he
can *stop* it though.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if...
....the death penalty is a 'no-no', but death by Hellfire
*without* a trial is AOK!

On 2/19/2013 4:55 PM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:19:17 -0500, Meyer wrote:

On 2/19/2013 12:52 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:08:57 -0800, jps wrote:



Why is it considered punishment to limit the number of guns and ammo

that are owned by the public?



What would be the point?



Is it punishment that I want to own a tank with the capacity to shell

an area of the desert that wouldn't be affected by my hobby? Why

can't I own surface to air missles so that I can shoot down my own

drones? Why can't I own a mortar setup so I can play with it when I

want to?



Why am I being punished?



That is a red herring, those things have been illegal for 50 years





I wonder what would happen with the suicide stats if guns were

incapable of shooting the person holding them. Would they find

another way? What percentage? Should we make other, less violent

methods available to suicidal persons?



The lack of guns has not affected the suicide rate in Japan, one of

the left's favorite example of gun control.





Lastly, what do you suppose the percentages of young people (let's say

under 20) that die in gun related homicides or suicides vs all those

other maladies? I'm sure a lot die in car accidents but all those

stats above? Not so many.



The ratio of young people who die in cars is pretty close to guns.



Maybe we should ban any car that goes over 70 MPH, put mandatory

breatholizers on the ignition and keep them from running if the seat

belts are not fastened. (they actually tried that in 1974)

That might save more people than banning guns.


Might not be a bad idea...doesn't seem sensible to put autos on the road capable of double the legal speed...or more.
Some kind of limiter could keep speed down to 75 or so while not limiting towing capacity.

What's the towing capacity of your Rav 4?

If it's a 2009 with a v6, and he's really full of bravado, he can tow 2000lbs. That doesn't mean he
can *stop* it though.


Salmonbait


I don't think he has the gutsy V6 His new boat is 3 times the
princecraft. It's hard to believe he can tow that hefty boat with that
pyrite gray devil of a rave 4.

On Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:29:00 UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 4:55 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:19:17 -0500, Meyer wrote:



On 2/19/2013 12:52 PM, True North wrote:

On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:08:57 -0800, jps wrote:







Why is it considered punishment to limit the number of guns and ammo



that are owned by the public?







What would be the point?







Is it punishment that I want to own a tank with the capacity to shell



an area of the desert that wouldn't be affected by my hobby? Why



can't I own surface to air missles so that I can shoot down my own



drones? Why can't I own a mortar setup so I can play with it when I



want to?







Why am I being punished?







That is a red herring, those things have been illegal for 50 years











I wonder what would happen with the suicide stats if guns were



incapable of shooting the person holding them. Would they find



another way? What percentage? Should we make other, less violent



methods available to suicidal persons?







The lack of guns has not affected the suicide rate in Japan, one of



the left's favorite example of gun control.











Lastly, what do you suppose the percentages of young people (let's say



under 20) that die in gun related homicides or suicides vs all those



other maladies? I'm sure a lot die in car accidents but all those



stats above? Not so many.







The ratio of young people who die in cars is pretty close to guns.







Maybe we should ban any car that goes over 70 MPH, put mandatory



breatholizers on the ignition and keep them from running if the seat



belts are not fastened. (they actually tried that in 1974)



That might save more people than banning guns.





Might not be a bad idea...doesn't seem sensible to put autos on the road capable of double the legal speed...or more.

Some kind of limiter could keep speed down to 75 or so while not limiting towing capacity.



What's the towing capacity of your Rav 4?



If it's a 2009 with a v6, and he's really full of bravado, he can tow 2000lbs. That doesn't mean he

can *stop* it though.





Salmonbait





I don't think he has the gutsy V6 His new boat is 3 times the

princecraft. It's hard to believe he can tow that hefty boat with that

pyrite gray devil of a rave 4.


Actually, it's closer to 4X, StinkyOne.
BTW it's pyrite mica... that would be a very pleasing dark bronze when the sun is shinning.

On 2/19/13 8:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:29:00 UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 4:55 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:19:17 -0500, Meyer wrote:



On 2/19/2013 12:52 PM, True North wrote:

On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:08:57 -0800, jps wrote:







Why is it considered punishment to limit the number of guns and ammo



that are owned by the public?







What would be the point?







Is it punishment that I want to own a tank with the capacity to shell



an area of the desert that wouldn't be affected by my hobby? Why



can't I own surface to air missles so that I can shoot down my own



drones? Why can't I own a mortar setup so I can play with it when I



want to?







Why am I being punished?







That is a red herring, those things have been illegal for 50 years











I wonder what would happen with the suicide stats if guns were



incapable of shooting the person holding them. Would they find



another way? What percentage? Should we make other, less violent



methods available to suicidal persons?







The lack of guns has not affected the suicide rate in Japan, one of



the left's favorite example of gun control.











Lastly, what do you suppose the percentages of young people (let's say



under 20) that die in gun related homicides or suicides vs all those



other maladies? I'm sure a lot die in car accidents but all those



stats above? Not so many.







The ratio of young people who die in cars is pretty close to guns.







Maybe we should ban any car that goes over 70 MPH, put mandatory



breatholizers on the ignition and keep them from running if the seat



belts are not fastened. (they actually tried that in 1974)



That might save more people than banning guns.





Might not be a bad idea...doesn't seem sensible to put autos on the road capable of double the legal speed...or more.

Some kind of limiter could keep speed down to 75 or so while not limiting towing capacity.



What's the towing capacity of your Rav 4?



If it's a 2009 with a v6, and he's really full of bravado, he can tow 2000lbs. That doesn't mean he

can *stop* it though.





Salmonbait





I don't think he has the gutsy V6 His new boat is 3 times the

princecraft. It's hard to believe he can tow that hefty boat with that

pyrite gray devil of a rave 4.


Actually, it's closer to 4X, StinkyOne.
BTW it's pyrite mica... that would be a very pleasing dark bronze when the sun is shinning.



What's Meyer boating in this days...oh, I forgot...it's a state secret.

--
I'm a *Liberal* because I knew the militant christian fundamentalist
racist militaristic xenophobic corporate oligarchy wasn't going to work
for me.

On 2/19/2013 8:15 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/19/13 8:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:29:00 UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 4:55 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:19:17 -0500, Meyer wrote:



On 2/19/2013 12:52 PM, True North wrote:

On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:37:36 PM UTC-4,
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:08:57 -0800, jps wrote:







Why is it considered punishment to limit the number of guns and
ammo



that are owned by the public?







What would be the point?







Is it punishment that I want to own a tank with the capacity to
shell



an area of the desert that wouldn't be affected by my hobby? Why



can't I own surface to air missles so that I can shoot down my own



drones? Why can't I own a mortar setup so I can play with it
when I



want to?







Why am I being punished?







That is a red herring, those things have been illegal for 50 years











I wonder what would happen with the suicide stats if guns were



incapable of shooting the person holding them. Would they find



another way? What percentage? Should we make other, less violent



methods available to suicidal persons?







The lack of guns has not affected the suicide rate in Japan, one of



the left's favorite example of gun control.











Lastly, what do you suppose the percentages of young people
(let's say



under 20) that die in gun related homicides or suicides vs all
those



other maladies? I'm sure a lot die in car accidents but all those



stats above? Not so many.







The ratio of young people who die in cars is pretty close to guns.







Maybe we should ban any car that goes over 70 MPH, put mandatory



breatholizers on the ignition and keep them from running if the seat



belts are not fastened. (they actually tried that in 1974)



That might save more people than banning guns.





Might not be a bad idea...doesn't seem sensible to put autos on
the road capable of double the legal speed...or more.

Some kind of limiter could keep speed down to 75 or so while not
limiting towing capacity.



What's the towing capacity of your Rav 4?



If it's a 2009 with a v6, and he's really full of bravado, he can
tow 2000lbs. That doesn't mean he

can *stop* it though.





Salmonbait





I don't think he has the gutsy V6 His new boat is 3 times the

princecraft. It's hard to believe he can tow that hefty boat with that

pyrite gray devil of a rave 4.


Actually, it's closer to 4X, StinkyOne.
BTW it's pyrite mica... that would be a very pleasing dark bronze when
the sun is shinning.



What's Meyer boating in this days...oh, I forgot...it's a state secret.

Neither you or Don have alluded to your current pride and joys. You
didn't get a Bayliner, did you?

On 2/19/2013 8:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:29:00 UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 4:55 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:19:17 -0500, Meyer wrote:



On 2/19/2013 12:52 PM, True North wrote:

On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:08:57 -0800, jps wrote:







Why is it considered punishment to limit the number of guns and ammo



that are owned by the public?







What would be the point?







Is it punishment that I want to own a tank with the capacity to shell



an area of the desert that wouldn't be affected by my hobby? Why



can't I own surface to air missles so that I can shoot down my own



drones? Why can't I own a mortar setup so I can play with it when I



want to?







Why am I being punished?







That is a red herring, those things have been illegal for 50 years











I wonder what would happen with the suicide stats if guns were



incapable of shooting the person holding them. Would they find



another way? What percentage? Should we make other, less violent



methods available to suicidal persons?







The lack of guns has not affected the suicide rate in Japan, one of



the left's favorite example of gun control.











Lastly, what do you suppose the percentages of young people (let's say



under 20) that die in gun related homicides or suicides vs all those



other maladies? I'm sure a lot die in car accidents but all those



stats above? Not so many.







The ratio of young people who die in cars is pretty close to guns.







Maybe we should ban any car that goes over 70 MPH, put mandatory



breatholizers on the ignition and keep them from running if the seat



belts are not fastened. (they actually tried that in 1974)



That might save more people than banning guns.





Might not be a bad idea...doesn't seem sensible to put autos on the road capable of double the legal speed...or more.

Some kind of limiter could keep speed down to 75 or so while not limiting towing capacity.



What's the towing capacity of your Rav 4?



If it's a 2009 with a v6, and he's really full of bravado, he can tow 2000lbs. That doesn't mean he

can *stop* it though.





Salmonbait





I don't think he has the gutsy V6 His new boat is 3 times the

princecraft. It's hard to believe he can tow that hefty boat with that

pyrite gray devil of a rave 4.


Actually, it's closer to 4X, StinkyOne.
BTW it's pyrite mica... that would be a very pleasing dark bronze when the sun is shinning.


You got wheel spinners on that chameleon?

On 2/19/2013 8:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:29:00 UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 4:55 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:19:17 -0500, Meyer wrote:



On 2/19/2013 12:52 PM, True North wrote:

On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:08:57 -0800, jps wrote:







Why is it considered punishment to limit the number of guns and ammo



that are owned by the public?







What would be the point?







Is it punishment that I want to own a tank with the capacity to shell



an area of the desert that wouldn't be affected by my hobby? Why



can't I own surface to air missles so that I can shoot down my own



drones? Why can't I own a mortar setup so I can play with it when I



want to?







Why am I being punished?







That is a red herring, those things have been illegal for 50 years











I wonder what would happen with the suicide stats if guns were



incapable of shooting the person holding them. Would they find



another way? What percentage? Should we make other, less violent



methods available to suicidal persons?







The lack of guns has not affected the suicide rate in Japan, one of



the left's favorite example of gun control.











Lastly, what do you suppose the percentages of young people (let's say



under 20) that die in gun related homicides or suicides vs all those



other maladies? I'm sure a lot die in car accidents but all those



stats above? Not so many.







The ratio of young people who die in cars is pretty close to guns.







Maybe we should ban any car that goes over 70 MPH, put mandatory



breatholizers on the ignition and keep them from running if the seat



belts are not fastened. (they actually tried that in 1974)



That might save more people than banning guns.





Might not be a bad idea...doesn't seem sensible to put autos on the road capable of double the legal speed...or more.

Some kind of limiter could keep speed down to 75 or so while not limiting towing capacity.



What's the towing capacity of your Rav 4?



If it's a 2009 with a v6, and he's really full of bravado, he can tow 2000lbs. That doesn't mean he

can *stop* it though.





Salmonbait





I don't think he has the gutsy V6 His new boat is 3 times the

princecraft. It's hard to believe he can tow that hefty boat with that

pyrite gray devil of a rave 4.


Actually, it's closer to 4X, StinkyOne.
BTW it's pyrite mica... that would be a very pleasing dark bronze when the sun is shinning.

Didn't realize that the old boat was only 240 lbs You must have got 2
footitis and moved all the way up to 16 feets. Lessee 850 lbs for the
boat. 200 lbs for the engine. 500 lbs for the trlr. 200 lbs of gear and
batteries and you are a tad overloaded. It's not a matter of the engine
pulling it. But , CAN YOU STOP on a moderate downgrade with the car
loaded up with passengers and more gear. I think John already cautioned
you about that.

On 2/19/2013 9:23 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 8:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:29:00 UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 4:55 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:19:17 -0500, Meyer wrote:



On 2/19/2013 12:52 PM, True North wrote:

On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:37:36 PM UTC-4,
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:08:57 -0800, jps wrote:







Why is it considered punishment to limit the number of guns and
ammo



that are owned by the public?







What would be the point?







Is it punishment that I want to own a tank with the capacity to
shell



an area of the desert that wouldn't be affected by my hobby? Why



can't I own surface to air missles so that I can shoot down my own



drones? Why can't I own a mortar setup so I can play with it
when I



want to?







Why am I being punished?







That is a red herring, those things have been illegal for 50 years











I wonder what would happen with the suicide stats if guns were



incapable of shooting the person holding them. Would they find



another way? What percentage? Should we make other, less violent



methods available to suicidal persons?







The lack of guns has not affected the suicide rate in Japan, one of



the left's favorite example of gun control.











Lastly, what do you suppose the percentages of young people
(let's say



under 20) that die in gun related homicides or suicides vs all
those



other maladies? I'm sure a lot die in car accidents but all those



stats above? Not so many.







The ratio of young people who die in cars is pretty close to guns.







Maybe we should ban any car that goes over 70 MPH, put mandatory



breatholizers on the ignition and keep them from running if the seat



belts are not fastened. (they actually tried that in 1974)



That might save more people than banning guns.





Might not be a bad idea...doesn't seem sensible to put autos on
the road capable of double the legal speed...or more.

Some kind of limiter could keep speed down to 75 or so while not
limiting towing capacity.



What's the towing capacity of your Rav 4?



If it's a 2009 with a v6, and he's really full of bravado, he can
tow 2000lbs. That doesn't mean he

can *stop* it though.





Salmonbait





I don't think he has the gutsy V6 His new boat is 3 times the

princecraft. It's hard to believe he can tow that hefty boat with that

pyrite gray devil of a rave 4.


Actually, it's closer to 4X, StinkyOne.
BTW it's pyrite mica... that would be a very pleasing dark bronze when
the sun is shinning.

Didn't realize that the old boat was only 240 lbs You must have got 2
footitis and moved all the way up to 16 feets. Lessee 850 lbs for the
boat. 200 lbs for the engine. 500 lbs for the trlr. 200 lbs of gear and
batteries and you are a tad overloaded. It's not a matter of the engine
pulling it. But , CAN YOU STOP on a moderate downgrade with the car
loaded up with passengers and more gear. I think John already cautioned
you about that.

Assholes like him don't give a **** about "your" family. They always
justify it with **** like "I only tow a little way", etc... In reality
they are just selfish assholes, but you knew that.