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For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
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For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
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For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
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For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
On 12/21/2012 3:08 PM, wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 2:52:20 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 12/21/2012 11:47 AM, thumper wrote: On 12/21/2012 5:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. On the contrary, the military seems to get it regarding weapon safety and yet some of you want to flood the schools and shopping malls with gun toting amateur security guards ostensibly in the belief it would reduce injuries and deaths. Unless it's actually about selling more guns? You are losing all credibility here, even though I am more or less in the middle on this one... Nobody at all here said anything about "flooding schools.... *amateur security guards*". I am the only one here who suggested armed guards and I specifically suggested seasoned, trained, police officers in plain clothes, and I was very specific. If you keep coming here and making up loogieisms as arguments, you are not going to get anywhere. You never did answer what are we supposed to do about income receiving retirees taking jobs from those who need them. I want them to compete for jobs like anybody else... If the Police Experience makes one guy more qualified than another to suit the "job description", hire him/her... Sometimes you have to make hard choices to insure kids are safe. Maybe you would rather some janitor have their job than keeping 20 kids alive? |
For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
In article ,
says... On Friday, December 21, 2012 2:52:20 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 12/21/2012 11:47 AM, thumper wrote: On 12/21/2012 5:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. On the contrary, the military seems to get it regarding weapon safety and yet some of you want to flood the schools and shopping malls with gun toting amateur security guards ostensibly in the belief it would reduce injuries and deaths. Unless it's actually about selling more guns? You are losing all credibility here, even though I am more or less in the middle on this one... Nobody at all here said anything about "flooding schools.... *amateur security guards*". I am the only one here who suggested armed guards and I specifically suggested seasoned, trained, police officers in plain clothes, and I was very specific. If you keep coming here and making up loogieisms as arguments, you are not going to get anywhere. You never did answer what are we supposed to do about income receiving retirees taking jobs from those who need them. Sometimes you have to make hard choices to insure kids are safe. Maybe you would rather some janitor have their job than keeping 20 kids alive? What makes you so certain that if a retired cop took the janitor's job that it would have helped? |
For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
In article , says...
On 12/21/2012 3:08 PM, wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 2:52:20 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 12/21/2012 11:47 AM, thumper wrote: On 12/21/2012 5:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. On the contrary, the military seems to get it regarding weapon safety and yet some of you want to flood the schools and shopping malls with gun toting amateur security guards ostensibly in the belief it would reduce injuries and deaths. Unless it's actually about selling more guns? You are losing all credibility here, even though I am more or less in the middle on this one... Nobody at all here said anything about "flooding schools.... *amateur security guards*". I am the only one here who suggested armed guards and I specifically suggested seasoned, trained, police officers in plain clothes, and I was very specific. If you keep coming here and making up loogieisms as arguments, you are not going to get anywhere. You never did answer what are we supposed to do about income receiving retirees taking jobs from those who need them. I want them to compete for jobs like anybody else... If the Police Experience makes one guy more qualified than another to suit the "job description", hire him/her... Sometimes you have to make hard choices to insure kids are safe. Maybe you would rather some janitor have their job than keeping 20 kids alive? That's why you aren't employed, you're useless. |
For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:05:45 -0500, ESAD wrote:
On 12/21/12 9:57 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:51:31 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/21/12 8:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. The real problem is military pukes like Herring either getting drunk or ****ed off and going on a shooting spree. ESAD (Eatin' **** and Dyin'??) - it was folks me who had the keys to the armory. It's a shame you ran and hid. You might have learned something. But, take a swipe at the military any time you get a chance. You really ought to pay your taxes. Ran and hid from the military? Nah. Had a student deferment for part of that idiotic war, and never got the letter from my draft board after that, ordering me to report. I made sure the draft board had my address, too: sent it registered letters when I moved. Most age eligible males were not drafted, Herring. Didn't you enlist to ward off being drafted? Nope. |
For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:51:09 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:51:31 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/21/12 8:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. The real problem is military pukes like Herring either getting drunk or ****ed off and going on a shooting spree. ESAD (Eatin' **** and Dyin'??) - it was folks me who had the keys to the armory. It's a shame you ran and hid. You might have learned something. But, take a swipe at the military any time you get a chance. You really ought to pay your taxes. Are you saying there isn't a bad alcoholism problem in the military? Where? |
For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:47:49 -0800, thumper wrote:
On 12/21/2012 5:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. On the contrary, the military seems to get it regarding weapon safety and yet some of you want to flood the schools and shopping malls with gun toting amateur security guards ostensibly in the belief it would reduce injuries and deaths. Unless it's actually about selling more guns? Some of who? You're sounding much like Scot. |
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