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Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort
Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? |
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On 12/18/2012 8:39 PM, ESAD wrote:
Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? A seasoned Police Officer who happens to be teaching a kindergarten class. A person who is trained in tactical, conflict resolution, firearms safety, shoot to kill, etc would have a better chance in a building "he or she owned". Hey, maybe it wouldn't stop this guy or that, but if it stopped one, don't you think it would be worth it. You can give examples where it didn't work, I can give examples where it would. All I am saying is that the best way to fight this type of think is with multiple trained professionals on the scene, and if you are going to do that, what better than ex-cops? Either way, I didn't want to get political before but I would note that I knew harry would hate this idea, imagine all the slackers working for the union that would be replaced by good decent hard working, dependable retirees? The Public Unions would be the biggest challenge to this, as we all know it's not the kids they are really worried about... |
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ESAD wrote:
Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. |
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On 12/18/12 10:48 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/18/2012 8:39 PM, ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? A seasoned Police Officer who happens to be teaching a kindergarten class. A person who is trained in tactical, conflict resolution, firearms safety, shoot to kill, etc would have a better chance in a building "he or she owned". Hey, maybe it wouldn't stop this guy or that, but if it stopped one, don't you think it would be worth it. You can give examples where it didn't work, I can give examples where it would. All I am saying is that the best way to fight this type of think is with multiple trained professionals on the scene, and if you are going to do that, what better than ex-cops? Either way, I didn't want to get political before but I would note that I knew harry would hate this idea, imagine all the slackers working for the union that would be replaced by good decent hard working, dependable retirees? The Public Unions would be the biggest challenge to this, as we all know it's not the kids they are really worried about... Most cops, active or retired, are in the police unions, ****-for-brains. Do you think that cops hired as hall monitors or whatever at schools would suddenly not want to be union members? As for your comment about "slackers," tell that to the families of the teachers, principal, and other school workers killed in Newtown while defending the children in their charge. You really *are* the ignorant asshole you come across as here. There is no hope for you. Thank goodness your breeding days are over. |
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On 12/19/12 9:03 AM, Gogarty wrote:
In article , says... Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? You might bring this to the attention of Gov. Perry and the rest of those Texas gun nuts. You cannot enlighten the brain dead. |
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In article , says...
On 12/19/2012 10:12 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 12/18/2012 8:39 PM, ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? A seasoned Police Officer who happens to be teaching a kindergarten class. A person who is trained in tactical, conflict resolution, firearms safety, shoot to kill, etc would have a better chance in a building "he or she owned". Hey, maybe it wouldn't stop this guy or that, but if it stopped one, don't you think it would be worth it. You can give examples where it didn't work, I can give examples where it would. All I am saying is that the best way to fight this type of think is with multiple trained professionals on the scene, and if you are going to do that, what better than ex-cops? Either way, I didn't want to get political before but I would note that I knew harry would hate this idea, imagine all the slackers working for the union that would be replaced by good decent hard working, dependable retirees? The Public Unions would be the biggest challenge to this, as we all know it's not the kids they are really worried about... Again, please answer, how is this seasoned tactical guy supposed to stop an attack when all of Fort Hood Army couldn't? I don't know, I am not a trained police officer... You act like everyone at Ft. Hood was, and that is typically dishonest, it's why everyone laughs at you... Everyone was a soldier, and I'll bet there were at least a few thousand there that were trained in weapons. I'll also bet there are a few thousand MP's on the base at any given time. As a matter of fact, it's home to the 89th Military Police Brigade. A brigade is 3,000 to 5,000. |
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:53:39 -0600, Califbill wrote:
ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. You cannot enlighten the brain dead. |
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On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote:
ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? |
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thumper wrote:
On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Booze. |
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On 12/19/2012 10:34 PM, thumper wrote:
On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Maybe they were there for other reasons, why burden them? |
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On 12/19/2012 7:47 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 10:34 PM, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Maybe they were there for other reasons, why burden them? Like the janitors and lunch ladies you want to arm? |
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On 12/20/2012 2:13 AM, thumper wrote:
On 12/19/2012 7:47 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 10:34 PM, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Maybe they were there for other reasons, why burden them? Like the janitors and lunch ladies you want to arm? Are you really as dense as harry, or just protecting the union slugs too? |
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On 12/20/12 7:46 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/20/2012 2:13 AM, thumper wrote: On 12/19/2012 7:47 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 10:34 PM, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Maybe they were there for other reasons, why burden them? Like the janitors and lunch ladies you want to arm? Are you really as dense as harry, or just protecting the union slugs too? Awwww, poor little **** Snotty, who couldn't hang onto a "union job" he lost decades ago, is still ****ed off about it. |
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On 12/19/2012 10:39 PM, ESAD wrote:
Booze. Pour on for me while you're at it. |
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On 12/20/2012 8:00 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/20/12 7:46 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/20/2012 2:13 AM, thumper wrote: On 12/19/2012 7:47 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 10:34 PM, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Maybe they were there for other reasons, why burden them? Like the janitors and lunch ladies you want to arm? Are you really as dense as harry, or just protecting the union slugs too? Awwww, poor little **** Snotty, who couldn't hang onto a "union job" he lost decades ago, is still ****ed off about it. How does one get fired from a union job? I thought it was impossible. |
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On 12/20/2012 8:13 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 12/20/2012 8:00 AM, ESAD wrote: On 12/20/12 7:46 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/20/2012 2:13 AM, thumper wrote: On 12/19/2012 7:47 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 10:34 PM, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Maybe they were there for other reasons, why burden them? Like the janitors and lunch ladies you want to arm? Are you really as dense as harry, or just protecting the union slugs too? Awwww, poor little **** Snotty, who couldn't hang onto a "union job" he lost decades ago, is still ****ed off about it. How does one get fired from a union job? I thought it was impossible. Uh, he made it up... |
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thumper wrote:
On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? We were not in a war zone. I sat in an electronics shop fixing radar units, or was in an airplane wrenching on a radar unit. Did not need the tool, a weapon, in my job. Yes, we did go to the range and qualify yearly. But we were not in a combat situation. The APs on the flight line for the B52 were guarding nuclear armed planes. Was a retirement then. I guess you never were in the service, or had other than an assembly line job where you were not required to think. If I dad been in a war zone, I would have been issued a weapon and kept with me while wrenching on planes. |
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On 12/20/2012 3:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? We were not in a war zone. I sat in an electronics shop fixing radar units, or was in an airplane wrenching on a radar unit. Did not need the tool, a weapon, in my job. Yes, we did go to the range and qualify yearly. But we were not in a combat situation. The APs on the flight line for the B52 were guarding nuclear armed planes. Was a retirement then. I guess you never were in the service, or had other than an assembly line job where you were not required to think. If I dad been in a war zone, I would have been issued a weapon and kept with me while wrenching on planes. Wow, I can't believe you gave so much time to such a stupid question... he gets it, he just can't admit it as that would be no fun for him. |
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Meyer wrote:
On 12/20/2012 8:00 AM, ESAD wrote: On 12/20/12 7:46 AM, JustWait wrote: On 12/20/2012 2:13 AM, thumper wrote: On 12/19/2012 7:47 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/19/2012 10:34 PM, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Maybe they were there for other reasons, why burden them? Like the janitors and lunch ladies you want to arm? Are you really as dense as harry, or just protecting the union slugs too? Awwww, poor little **** Snotty, who couldn't hang onto a "union job" he lost decades ago, is still ****ed off about it. How does one get fired from a union job? I thought it was impossible. Maybe he didn't pay his taxes - union dues - same thing. |
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On 12/20/2012 2:16 PM, JustWait wrote:
Wow, I can't believe you gave so much time to such a stupid question... he gets it, he just can't admit it as that would be no fun for him. Devil's advocate, just noting inconsistencies. |
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On 12/21/2012 12:56 AM, thumper wrote:
On 12/20/2012 2:16 PM, JustWait wrote: Wow, I can't believe you gave so much time to such a stupid question... he gets it, he just can't admit it as that would be no fun for him. Devil's advocate, just noting inconsistencies. Noted... LOL! |
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, says... thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? We were not in a war zone. I sat in an electronics shop fixing radar units, or was in an airplane wrenching on a radar unit. Did not need the tool, a weapon, in my job. Yes, we did go to the range and qualify yearly. But we were not in a combat situation. The APs on the flight line for the B52 were guarding nuclear armed planes. Was a retirement then. I guess you never were in the service, or had other than an assembly line job where you were not required to think. If I dad been in a war zone, I would have been issued a weapon and kept with me while wrenching on planes. But we are talking about a whole, very large military base. Oh, and one that is home to a brigade of MP's! |
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote:
On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. |
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On 12/21/12 8:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. The real problem is military pukes like Herring either getting drunk or ****ed off and going on a shooting spree. |
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On 12/21/2012 8:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. Oh, he knows that.. He is just taking the teenage girl card in this conversation just like loogie... If he didn't know that, he is way too uninformed to be in the conversation and should just step aside. |
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On 12/21/2012 8:56 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 12/21/12 8:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. The real problem is military pukes like Herring either getting drunk or ****ed off and going on a shooting spree. We have a problem with pukes like you going off and not paying your taxes. I don't recall alcohol being mentioned in "any" of the mass shooting stories lately. But harry needs to insult folks daily to make himself feel better for his miserable failures in life... |
For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
On 12/21/12 9:09 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/21/2012 8:56 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 12/21/12 8:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. The real problem is military pukes like Herring either getting drunk or ****ed off and going on a shooting spree. We have a problem with pukes like you going off and not paying your taxes. I don't recall alcohol being mentioned in "any" of the mass shooting stories lately. But harry needs to insult folks daily to make himself feel better for his miserable failures in life... I know you aren't too bright, little guy, but we were discussing why most military personnel on bases cannot carry firearms. One of the reasons is the high degree of alcoholism among military personnel, along with fighting, spousal abuse and other mental and emotional health issues the military doesn't address very well, for various reasons. There are lots cites regarding military alcoholism. Here is an interesting one: http://www.examiner.com/article/gene...holic-military There's also lots of spousal abuse. The military has a modest Family Advocacy Program to try to deal with it. There is a lot of pressure on military personnel. The pressure can be handled in many ways, some productive, and others, like booze and wife beating, not so much. |
For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:51:31 -0500, ESAD wrote:
On 12/21/12 8:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. The real problem is military pukes like Herring either getting drunk or ****ed off and going on a shooting spree. ESAD (Eatin' **** and Dyin'??) - it was folks me who had the keys to the armory. It's a shame you ran and hid. You might have learned something. But, take a swipe at the military any time you get a chance. You really ought to pay your taxes. |
For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
On 12/21/12 9:57 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:51:31 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/21/12 8:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. The real problem is military pukes like Herring either getting drunk or ****ed off and going on a shooting spree. ESAD (Eatin' **** and Dyin'??) - it was folks me who had the keys to the armory. It's a shame you ran and hid. You might have learned something. But, take a swipe at the military any time you get a chance. You really ought to pay your taxes. Ran and hid from the military? Nah. Had a student deferment for part of that idiotic war, and never got the letter from my draft board after that, ordering me to report. I made sure the draft board had my address, too: sent it registered letters when I moved. Most age eligible males were not drafted, Herring. Didn't you enlist to ward off being drafted? |
For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
On 12/21/2012 5:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. On the contrary, the military seems to get it regarding weapon safety and yet some of you want to flood the schools and shopping malls with gun toting amateur security guards ostensibly in the belief it would reduce injuries and deaths. Unless it's actually about selling more guns? |
For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
On 12/21/2012 11:47 AM, thumper wrote:
On 12/21/2012 5:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. On the contrary, the military seems to get it regarding weapon safety and yet some of you want to flood the schools and shopping malls with gun toting amateur security guards ostensibly in the belief it would reduce injuries and deaths. Unless it's actually about selling more guns? You are losing all credibility here, even though I am more or less in the middle on this one... Nobody at all here said anything about "flooding schools.... *amateur security guards*". I am the only one here who suggested armed guards and I specifically suggested seasoned, trained, police officers in plain clothes, and I was very specific. If you keep coming here and making up loogieisms as arguments, you are not going to get anywhere. |
For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
In article , says...
On 12/21/2012 8:48 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:34:59 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 9:53 PM, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Let's not forget that Nadal Hassan shot 43 people, 13 fatally, at Fort Hood, a facility filled with armed and trained people. Approximately 214 shots were fired (Hassan had another 177 rounds on him when captured). He was attacked by three different soldiers, all of whom he shot. It was not until a civilian police officer arrived some time later that Hassan was shot and wounded. If the army can't stop a guy like this, how is a kindergarten teacher supposed to? It was a gun control area. Nobody was allowed to carry weapons. The people were trained, but not armed. Most bases in the states have the weapons in the armory. I was stationed on an airbase, Travis, that had APs at the gates and the only other armed people were the guards out on B52 line. That's interesting. All those trained people. More guns = more safety... why don't they trust them? Only Military Police/CID or equivalent carry weapons on a continuous basis while on duty in military installations, unless the installation is in a combat zone. The weapons are kept in unit armories and issued when necessary for training - or when needed for a particular problem. Why aren't they issued all the time? It could have something to do with trust. The military does not want a weapon stolen, misplaced, left unattended at home, or any of the other things that can cause accidents. There is always a dummy in every crowd, and the military does have a thief or two in its population. I look back at 'Project 100,000' and some of the folks we got then, and I didn't even want to issue some of those folks weapons for alerts or training. So, there you have it. But, like ESAD, if you see a chance to take a swipe at the military, please go for it. Oh, he knows that.. He is just taking the teenage girl card in this conversation just like loogie... If he didn't know that, he is way too uninformed to be in the conversation and should just step aside. You stupid little ****, you don't understand that alcoholism is a HUGE problem in the military? http://tinyurl.com/89kr2ek |
For those who think arming teachers is the answer...
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