On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:19 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/18/2012 3:45 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:02:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:34:25 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough,

Was wrong whe he said: "The violence we see spreading...

It is not spreading, it is actually reduced from 1980-90 levels.

Here's what needs to be looked at instead of new, knee-jerk gun control laws.

http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son?

Thanks to Reagan for cutting mental health programs....

Have we not had Democrat presidents and Democrat controlled congresses since Reagan?

What a stupid f'ing comment, Kevin.


Who held congress at the time the bill was passed?

Republicans, why?

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

Proof you have no remaining ties whatsoever to the Democratic Party.

No self-respecting Democrat ever refers to the party as "Democrat."
It's a use fostered by Rush and taken up by Republican stooges.

On 12/20/2012 3:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:34:29 -0500, JustWait
wrote:


So, how about you try it since Greg won't answer the question... and
remember, I support the second. But I am starting to wonder why you need
a 30 round clip?

Since when do we base what we can buy by what we need. Nobody NEEDS a
motorcycle.

Some might need a motorcycle, but nobody needs a race motorcycle. Just
like the former police chief n San Jose California. Since he was a cop,
got to carry all the time, but stated no civilian needed a firearm. Max
speed limit was 65 in the state, but he drove a top of the line Jaguar.


Uh, not really an accurate analogy. We are not asking for equipment or
experience to be exclusively for me... But what you folks getting so
defensive about is bogus, I consider "because I want it" *is* a
legitimate reason to be weighed when considering situation... I am
getting the feeling that because of the question you all think I am
against your right to bear... well, the ones who really don't read what
I have said anyway

On 12/20/2012 4:23 PM, jps wrote:


No self-respecting Democrat

This is a real tell... It's all about appearances for you guys, huh?

On 12/20/2012 2:54 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:25:08 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/19/2012 12:49 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:35 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/18/2012 12:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Fine - do away with 'military style...combat assault rifles with high capacity (not defined)
magazines'. How the hell would that stop someone who wanted to kill twenty kids? It might make him a
little slower, but not much!

Yeah, lets make it as easy as possible.

That was kind of a stupid reply. C-4 would make it *very* easy. In fact, I'm wondering why some
jihadist hasn't strapped a bomb to her chest and walked into a school cafeteria during lunchtime.

Yeah, it wasn't the time for sarcasm. You got my point though.

If the goal is to make the killing of 20 kids take 10 seconds longer, then it's a stupid goal! Do
you get the point?



Why do you gotta' be such a ****ing asshole all the time. Yes, when it
comes to somebody shooting and me running, I will take the extra ten
****ing seconds, even if it only saves one life. Remember, this moron
stopped shooting kids and shot himself when he heard the cops coming...
If they had come 10 seconds earlier, unless you can tell me no lives
could in any way be saved, you are just being a self serving ****...

On 12/20/2012 4:23 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:19 -0600, Califbill

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

Proof you have no remaining ties whatsoever to the Democratic Party.

No self-respecting Democrat ever refers to the party as "Democrat."
It's a use fostered by Rush and taken up by Republican stooges.


What is the politically correct name for democrat these days?

On 12/20/2012 2:53 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:25:32 -0500, ESAD wrote:


My 'clapped out old motorcycle' took me about 90 miles today at about 50 mpg. How's your 'Ducati'
running? Do you keep it in your Maryland-red barn? I suppose the twin-Volvo-diesel-powered trawler
is stored there also, no?


Duc and I took a 50 mile round trip to Home Despot earlier today, ISO
some Honeywell timer switches and some dimmer switches.

LOL!

I wonder if the local MS 13 fellas noticed the old guy on the fire
engine red Duc as he was slow cruising down the boulavard?

JustWait wrote:
On 12/20/2012 3:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:34:29 -0500, JustWait
wrote:


So, how about you try it since Greg won't answer the question... and
remember, I support the second. But I am starting to wonder why you need
a 30 round clip?

Since when do we base what we can buy by what we need. Nobody NEEDS a
motorcycle.

Some might need a motorcycle, but nobody needs a race motorcycle. Just
like the former police chief n San Jose California. Since he was a cop,
got to carry all the time, but stated no civilian needed a firearm. Max
speed limit was 65 in the state, but he drove a top of the line Jaguar.


Uh, not really an accurate analogy. We are not asking for equipment or
experience to be exclusively for me... But what you folks getting so
defensive about is bogus, I consider "because I want it" *is* a
legitimate reason to be weighed when considering situation... I am
getting the feeling that because of the question you all think I am
against your right to bear... well, the ones who really don't read what I
have said anyway

No, we are pointing out the fallacious arguments of no one needs a 30 round
feeder. I was talking to a 90 year old lady friend at dinner last night.
She pointed out the talking heads did not even bring up mental issues until
after the third "expert".

On 12/20/12 5:16 PM, wrote:
On 20 Dec 2012 18:44:56 GMT, ESAD wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:38:18 -0500, BAR wrote:

Your "guy around the corner" sounds like someone who is a drug addict
and who gets out of control but is not judged a threat to others. A
"Baker Act" commitment is for 72 hours, after which a judge determines
if cause can be demonstrated for a longer commitment. If not, as is
usually the case, the individual is released.

Thirty times in 10 years is a pattern. The guy is not right in the head.

The cops have been there three times in the last 2 days and left
without him every time.
I don't think anything will be done until he kills someone or one of
my neighbors shoots him.
The seven years was up and he just got his driver's license back after
felony DUI so it will probably be someone on the road who gets it with
his pickup.

I guess the real question is exactly what you do. I don't think anyone
has actually been "cured" of mental illness. They can drug the people
into a compliant stupor but as soon as they stop taking the drug, they
are back to crazy, maybe even worse than before. The drugs also seem
to lose effectiveness over the years.
Are we really talking about a gulag mentality where they round up all
the people someone thinks are "mentally ill" and lock them up?

"Outpatient services" is really just a drug dispensary and the problem
is the patients are not real good about taking their drugs.

You are grossly overstating the problems here. Many mental illnesses can be
controlled with therapy and sometimes with therapy and medications. You are
giving the impression that if you have a mental illness your outlook is
forever dim. Many people with mental illnesses Are creative and productive
members of society. Your prejudices are really out there.

I am just looking at the actual results.
For every successful treatment there are dozens if not hundreds of
people who either end up in jail, terrorizing their neighbors or
living under a bridge.


What an interesting statistic. Do you have a source for it? I won't
argue that our system treats the indigent mentally ill well, because it
doesn't. That is part of the price one pays for living in a country
where profit is more important than people.

On 12/20/12 4:23 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:19 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/18/2012 3:45 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:02:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:34:25 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough,

Was wrong whe he said: "The violence we see spreading...

It is not spreading, it is actually reduced from 1980-90 levels.

Here's what needs to be looked at instead of new, knee-jerk gun control laws.

http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son?

Thanks to Reagan for cutting mental health programs....

Have we not had Democrat presidents and Democrat controlled congresses since Reagan?

What a stupid f'ing comment, Kevin.


Who held congress at the time the bill was passed?

Republicans, why?

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

Proof you have no remaining ties whatsoever to the Democratic Party.

No self-respecting Democrat ever refers to the party as "Democrat."
It's a use fostered by Rush and taken up by Republican stooges.

Indeed. It is the Democratic Party, and and individual acolyte is a
Democrat and more than one are Democrats. Thus, the California
legislature was Democratic, made up mostly of Democrats.

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:16:29 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

The worst elements of DC have moved out to the beltway and beyond
because real estate values inside DC have priced them out of the
market.
PG and Arlington County used to be "Leave it to Beaver" land. PG has
become a combat zone and I understand it is not much better on the
other side of the bridge.

Oh yes it is! You're right about PG county though. That place is a definite mess. Don't know what
the problem is. ESAD lives pretty close. Maybe he can explain why PG County is the war zone it is.

PG and DC have one thing in common. They are filled with people who
believe that when the get elected or appointed to office that it is
their duty to extract as much cash from the public, as possible, to pad
their own pockets.

DC has lost a couple of councilmen to jail recently and we have Mr. and
Mrs. Jack Johnson in PG to show is that crime families. Jack Johnson's
famous line is "pub the money in your underwear and walk out of the
house." Almost as good as Mayor Marion "Mayor for Live" Barry who gave
us the often used statement "the bitch set me up."

If you want to move on to the appointed members of government we can go
there.