GuzzisRule wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:55:36 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/21/12 9:41 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:36:12 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:16:29 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have
closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north
of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

The worst elements of DC have moved out to the beltway and beyond
because real estate values inside DC have priced them out of the
market.
PG and Arlington County used to be "Leave it to Beaver" land. PG has
become a combat zone and I understand it is not much better on the
other side of the bridge.

Oh yes it is! You're right about PG county though. That place is a
definite mess. Don't know what
the problem is. ESAD lives pretty close. Maybe he can explain why PG
County is the war zone it is.

PG and DC have one thing in common. They are filled with people who
believe that when the get elected or appointed to office that it is
their duty to extract as much cash from the public, as possible, to pad
their own pockets.

DC has lost a couple of councilmen to jail recently and we have Mr. and
Mrs. Jack Johnson in PG to show is that crime families. Jack Johnson's
famous line is "pub the money in your underwear and walk out of the
house." Almost as good as Mayor Marion "Mayor for Live" Barry who gave
us the often used statement "the bitch set me up."

If you want to move on to the appointed members of government we can go
there.


What can I say? All of that is certainly true. DC undertook a noble
action when it fired a large
number of totally worthless teachers. But, we then got a new
administration - which promptly rehired
the pieces of ****.

Oh well, best to start the problems at an early age.

I note that ESAD never addresses the gangs in DC and PG County. It's
always the Latinos elsewhere.



I don't live in the District of Columbia or Prince Georges County, and
you live a lot closer to the District and PG County than I do. But,
heck, you've got MS-13 right close to you...no need to drive across
state lines or into another county.

We did have a meth lab in operation about five years ago about 10 miles
away. The sheriff closed it down and the rumors are the sheriff informed
its operators they had a couple of hours to leave the county or they'd
all be shot dead in an even bigger raid. But I think the operators of
the lab were white trash like you, not minorities.

You don't live here either, but you've got a mouth full of negative
comments about the Latinos in
the area.

Your comments, ESAD, would be considered racist by krause or Kevin.

What Latinos other than gang members?

ESAD wrote:

Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round
clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his
Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking
weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they
were. Always thought bullets were more rounded.

We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just
fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He
thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked
the obvious question BTW.

Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much
experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the
point of my questions.

When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up a
school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by cop,
you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a 100-round magazine.

And you would probably kill less than with the semi auto. After the gun
climbs and puts most of the rounds in the ceiling, most will still be
alive.

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 2071675585377754624.473476bmckeenospam-
, says...

ESAD wrote:
On 12/20/12 4:23 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:19 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/18/2012 3:45 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:02:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:34:25 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough,

Was wrong whe he said: "The violence we see spreading...

It is not spreading, it is actually reduced from 1980-90 levels.

Here's what needs to be looked at instead of new, knee-jerk gun control laws.

http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son?

Thanks to Reagan for cutting mental health programs....

Have we not had Democrat presidents and Democrat controlled congresses since Reagan?

What a stupid f'ing comment, Kevin.


Who held congress at the time the bill was passed?

Republicans, why?

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

Proof you have no remaining ties whatsoever to the Democratic Party.

No self-respecting Democrat ever refers to the party as "Democrat."
It's a use fostered by Rush and taken up by Republican stooges.

Indeed. It is the Democratic Party, and and individual acolyte is a
Democrat and more than one are Democrats. Thus, the California
legislature was Democratic, made up mostly of Democrats.

And it still is, and still overspending like crazy!

Only Democrats overspend, right??!

Nope, but the Dem's these days seem to be making it an art.

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1544287637377724059.933093bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/18/2012 3:45 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:02:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:34:25 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough,

Was wrong whe he said: "The violence we see spreading...

It is not spreading, it is actually reduced from 1980-90 levels.

Here's what needs to be looked at instead of new, knee-jerk gun control laws.

http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son?

Thanks to Reagan for cutting mental health programs....

Have we not had Democrat presidents and Democrat controlled congresses since Reagan?

What a stupid f'ing comment, Kevin.


Who held congress at the time the bill was passed?

Republicans, why?

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

California doesn't define the United States.

It really does define a lot of the US. We seem to be the cutting edge of
laws. I was referring to the fact Reagan was governor of California then
and not president.

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:36:12 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:16:29 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

The worst elements of DC have moved out to the beltway and beyond
because real estate values inside DC have priced them out of the
market.
PG and Arlington County used to be "Leave it to Beaver" land. PG has
become a combat zone and I understand it is not much better on the
other side of the bridge.

Oh yes it is! You're right about PG county though. That place is a definite mess. Don't know what
the problem is. ESAD lives pretty close. Maybe he can explain why PG County is the war zone it is.

PG and DC have one thing in common. They are filled with people who
believe that when the get elected or appointed to office that it is
their duty to extract as much cash from the public, as possible, to pad
their own pockets.

DC has lost a couple of councilmen to jail recently and we have Mr. and
Mrs. Jack Johnson in PG to show is that crime families. Jack Johnson's
famous line is "pub the money in your underwear and walk out of the
house." Almost as good as Mayor Marion "Mayor for Live" Barry who gave
us the often used statement "the bitch set me up."

If you want to move on to the appointed members of government we can go
there.


What can I say? All of that is certainly true. DC undertook a noble action when it fired a large
number of totally worthless teachers. But, we then got a new administration - which promptly rehired
the pieces of ****.

Oh well, best to start the problems at an early age.

I note that ESAD never addresses the gangs in DC and PG County. It's always the Latinos elsewhere.

EASD looks at everything with a view towards political advantage.

In article ,
says...

On 12/21/12 9:41 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:36:12 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:16:29 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

The worst elements of DC have moved out to the beltway and beyond
because real estate values inside DC have priced them out of the
market.
PG and Arlington County used to be "Leave it to Beaver" land. PG has
become a combat zone and I understand it is not much better on the
other side of the bridge.

Oh yes it is! You're right about PG county though. That place is a definite mess. Don't know what
the problem is. ESAD lives pretty close. Maybe he can explain why PG County is the war zone it is.

PG and DC have one thing in common. They are filled with people who
believe that when the get elected or appointed to office that it is
their duty to extract as much cash from the public, as possible, to pad
their own pockets.

DC has lost a couple of councilmen to jail recently and we have Mr. and
Mrs. Jack Johnson in PG to show is that crime families. Jack Johnson's
famous line is "pub the money in your underwear and walk out of the
house." Almost as good as Mayor Marion "Mayor for Live" Barry who gave
us the often used statement "the bitch set me up."

If you want to move on to the appointed members of government we can go
there.


What can I say? All of that is certainly true. DC undertook a noble action when it fired a large
number of totally worthless teachers. But, we then got a new administration - which promptly rehired
the pieces of ****.

Oh well, best to start the problems at an early age.

I note that ESAD never addresses the gangs in DC and PG County. It's always the Latinos elsewhere.



I don't live in the District of Columbia or Prince Georges County, and
you live a lot closer to the District and PG County than I do. But,
heck, you've got MS-13 right close to you...no need to drive across
state lines or into another county.

Your view that MS-13 isn't in Calvert County is a myth. You believe that
since you, residents of Calvert County, are remote, rural or otherwise
worthless is another myth.

We did have a meth lab in operation about five years ago about 10 miles
away. The sheriff closed it down and the rumors are the sheriff informed
its operators they had a couple of hours to leave the county or they'd
all be shot dead in an even bigger raid. But I think the operators of
the lab were white trash like you, not minorities.

Sounds like a solution you are familiar with, the threat of violence to
gain compliance. Makes you wonder if the the Democrats are going to do
what the ChiComs want them to do and disarm the US populace. Or, is that
how you dealt with your children and that is why they don't talk to you
anymore.

On 12/21/2012 5:20 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:50:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 12/21/2012 11:30 AM, thumper wrote:
On 12/21/2012 6:38 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:40:27 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/20/2012 11:54 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:25:08 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/19/2012 12:49 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:35 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/18/2012 12:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Fine - do away with 'military style...combat assault rifles with
high capacity (not defined)
magazines'. How the hell would that stop someone who wanted to
kill twenty kids? It might make him a
little slower, but not much!

Yeah, lets make it as easy as possible.

That was kind of a stupid reply. C-4 would make it *very* easy. In
fact, I'm wondering why some
jihadist hasn't strapped a bomb to her chest and walked into a
school cafeteria during lunchtime.

Yeah, it wasn't the time for sarcasm. You got my point though.

If the goal is to make the killing of 20 kids take 10 seconds
longer, then it's a stupid goal! Do
you get the point?


Look who's being stupid... the goal is to make the potential killing of
20 kids result in less than 20 dead kids. The fewer the better. I
don't buy your assertions.

I'd much rather find a solution that would prevent the killing of all
twenty, not just allow the
killing of 19.

I guess that's a hard one.


It is. I don't think it's effective to hold out for perfection.

And it's all politics on both sides of the argument...

seems like an excuse to do nothing. I'll take improvement.

It's "politics" to not want innocent children dying?? You ARE a ****ing
moron.

Agreed, Kevin.


**** you john, just because I don't need a penis gun like you.... You
are a ****ing asshole to the max...

In article ,
says...

On 12/21/12 9:46 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:18:35 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:56:10 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Besides, while PG County has some bad spots, it is a mostly rural county

Huh?

It was rural when I was there but it is very built up now. I doubt you
could find a safe place to hunt anywhere in PG.
We used to shoot quail just South west of 210 and Oxon Hill Rd and we
would hunt ducks down there on the river where that new metroplex is
now.

I am also amazed at how built up Chuck County was the last time I was
up there (July)
When you get down south of Leonardtown it starts looking familiar but
there are still a lot of new houses.

You can't get much further south than Leonardtown.

We go a little further south to the Navy rec center by Solomon's Island. Great place for camping.
We've been taking the kids and grandkids there for a week+ the past couple years.


Leonardtown is SW of the Navy Rec Center. No wonder we lost the war
against Vietnam, with soldiers like you who couldn't read a map.

WE "lost" the war because people like you didn't pay their taxes so that
the troops could be provided with the best equipment available.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:18:35 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:56:10 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Besides, while PG County has some bad spots, it is a mostly rural county

Huh?

It was rural when I was there but it is very built up now. I doubt you
could find a safe place to hunt anywhere in PG.
We used to shoot quail just South west of 210 and Oxon Hill Rd and we
would hunt ducks down there on the river where that new metroplex is
now.

I am also amazed at how built up Chuck County was the last time I was
up there (July)
When you get down south of Leonardtown it starts looking familiar but
there are still a lot of new houses.

You can't get much further south than Leonardtown.

My Niece owns a marina in Ridge.

My uncle owns a house on the lower Potomac just northwest of the gas
docks.

We used to go in and out at Tall Timbers and Point Lookout. Make sure
you fish of the correct side of the pier at Point Lookout if you don't
have a fishing license.

GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:29:40 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:47:11 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/18/2012 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Califbill" wrote in message
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Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered. First,
why
did a
person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why
target
assault rifles because of this. He used pistols.

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My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or clone of
one
to kill the children and adults.
He used a pistol to kill himself.

Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on
assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to
acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in
terms of
how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A magazine
capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common
recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just
announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits
magazine rounds to 10.

So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable" number
in
our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1?
There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the false
hope
that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many
guns
exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out
mass
murders. Banning guns isn't the answer.

I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on
magazine
capacity that is "acceptable".

How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very easy,
especially if one is taped to the
other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to twenty
rounds. Another four or five
seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get up
to thirty rounds off.

Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks
happy. It won't stop a determined
killer in any way.

It will.
Bull****. A few short practice sessions in the bedroom would make it
quite easy to change 10 round
magazines quite rapidly.

I have been watching videos of people put into situations where
they think they are drawing on a situation. Some dropped the weapon,
some froze, some got the thing caught in their tee shirt...
Well, there you go. We should go to ten round magazines because anyone
using more than one will drop
his weapon, freeze, or get the magazine caught in a tee shirt.

Right.

A couple of the last shootings were stopped dead in their tracks when
the shooter had mechanical problems, or had a bad clip, or jammed the
weapon changing clips... Like I said, 1-10 is for defense. 30 is
either for penis power, or offense...
The jamming of a weapon may or may not be due to the clip. You've said
nothing here that shows a ten
round clip to be less usable for killing than a 30 round clip - penis
power or not.

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There's no question that killing someone with a single shot derringer
is possible. That's not really the question or issue.
What has to be resolved in order to make any kind of meaningful gun
control reform possible in this country is to define what
the designed purpose of a weapon is. Defensive? Offensive? Yes,
you can still kill with a gun primarily designed as a defensive
weapon. But why make guns primarily designed as "offensive" weapons
generally available to Joe Doe public? Doesn't make any sense.

I agree. I see no need for AR-15s or the like in the marketplace. My point is that outlawing them
would have little effect on a determined killer, who could use a 'hunting rifle', like the ones I
showed you, with 10-round magazines (or 30 if they're not outlawed) and accomplish the same thing.

But, I'm all for outlawing assault weapons, and magazines which hold more than 10 rounds.

I just don't think it would make much difference to a killer.
If you feel that way then why support a ban? The AR15 is a useful
weapon for hunting and recreational shooting and the Colts are a
military collectors piece. Many will say that my Ruger 10/22 is a
deadlier weapon than a higher-powered rifle like the .223. Evidently the
..22LR will not simply pass through the point of entry like a larger
caliber, it will do more damage to more organs.