On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:39:43 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/18/2012 10:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:10:06 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/18/2012 4:50 PM, wrote:

Just making the point that a magazine is not a clip.



So why does anybody need 30 in a clip outside PoPo, or Military?

I would ask why the PoPo need a 30 round magazine too.

Marksmanship went out the window when the cops started carrying double
stack 9MMs and they end up doing things like shooting 11 innocent
bystanders, taking down ONE perp. (recently in NYC)


Last chance... So why does anybody need 30 in a clip outside PoPo, or
Military?


Lots of squirrels running around?

Rats at the dump?

Raccoons and other critters attacking Huntingtown, MD?

Your question's been asked and answered!

On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:35 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/18/2012 12:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Fine - do away with 'military style...combat assault rifles with high capacity (not defined)
magazines'. How the hell would that stop someone who wanted to kill twenty kids? It might make him a
little slower, but not much!

Yeah, lets make it as easy as possible.

That was kind of a stupid reply. C-4 would make it *very* easy. In fact, I'm wondering why some
jihadist hasn't strapped a bomb to her chest and walked into a school cafeteria during lunchtime.

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:11:17 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:34:29 -0500, JustWait
wrote:


So, how about you try it since Greg won't answer the question... and
remember, I support the second. But I am starting to wonder why you need
a 30 round clip?

Since when do we base what we can buy by what we need. Nobody NEEDS a
motorcycle.


Bull****!

You'll have to pry my motorcycle out of my cold, dead hands.

With the cost of diesel, the Moto Guzzi has become an absolute necessity.

Amen.

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:35:16 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 9:27 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:33:55 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/18/12 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Califbill" wrote in message
...


Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered. First, why
did a
person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why target
assault rifles because of this. He used pistols.

------------------------------------------------------

My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or clone of one
to kill the children and adults.
He used a pistol to kill himself.

Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on
assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to
acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in terms of
how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A magazine
capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common
recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just
announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits
magazine rounds to 10.

So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable" number in
our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1?
There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the false hope
that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many guns
exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out mass
murders. Banning guns isn't the answer.

I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on magazine
capacity that is "acceptable".


How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very easy, especially if one is taped to the
other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to twenty rounds. Another four or five
seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get up to thirty rounds off.

Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks happy. It won't stop a determined
killer in any way.


So, when will we see the aftermath of your multi-magazine rampage? Are
you going over to Springfield Mall to kill a bunch of Latinos?



There are very few Mexicans in Springfield Mall.



Springfield Mall and in fact much of the area just north of the mall
towards Annandale has one of the highest concentrations of MS-13
gangbangers along the Eastern Seaboard. There have been many "incidents"
reported by shoppers at that mall of being confronted by gang members.

If you put "ms-13 springfield, va" into a google search, you'll get a
lot of hits, and many of them have details of MS-13 gang activities
right down the street from you and what, about five miles away?

Oh, and MS-13 is transnational. It's not a "Mexican" gang.

You are an ignorant ass.


Your post didn't mention MS-13 or any other gang. Are all Latinos, in your estimation, gang members?
Perhaps you were looking in a mirror when you typed 'ignorant ass'?

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:06:18 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/19/2012 9:30 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:08:53 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/18/2012 4:43 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:47:11 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/18/2012 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Califbill" wrote in message
...


Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered. First, why
did a
person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why target
assault rifles because of this. He used pistols.

------------------------------------------------------

My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or clone of one
to kill the children and adults.
He used a pistol to kill himself.

Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on
assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to
acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in terms of
how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A magazine
capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common
recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just
announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits
magazine rounds to 10.

So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable" number in
our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1?
There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the false hope
that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many guns
exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out mass
murders. Banning guns isn't the answer.

I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on magazine
capacity that is "acceptable".


How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very easy, especially if one is taped to the
other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to twenty rounds. Another four or five
seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get up to thirty rounds off.

Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks happy. It won't stop a determined
killer in any way.


It will.

Bull****. A few short practice sessions in the bedroom would make it quite easy to change 10 round
magazines quite rapidly.

I have been watching videos of people put into situations where
they think they are drawing on a situation. Some dropped the weapon,
some froze, some got the thing caught in their tee shirt...

Well, there you go. We should go to ten round magazines because anyone using more than one will drop
his weapon, freeze, or get the magazine caught in a tee shirt.

Right.


A couple of the last shootings were stopped dead in their tracks when
the shooter had mechanical problems, or had a bad clip, or jammed the
weapon changing clips... Like I said, 1-10 is for defense. 30 is
either for penis power, or offense...

The jamming of a weapon may or may not be due to the clip. You've said nothing here that shows a ten
round clip to be less usable for killing than a 30 round clip - penis power or not.


So, why do you need 30... another dodge?

You don't, unless you're fighting off an attack of Taliban folks armed with AK's.

I never espoused the 30-round magazine. Outlaw them. I don't care.

My point is that three 10-round clips can do the same amount of damage in about 7-10 additional
seconds - at most.


WTF are you guys getting so hot about this question? It's just a
question? I am sensing a lot of penis guns here in this group, more
than I originally thought..

Who's hot?

You've asked the same question about 20 times. No one here has provided a rationale for 30-round
clips, except for military/police type activity. Yet you persist in asking your stupid question.

WTF for?

On 12/19/12 3:59 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:35:16 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 9:27 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:33:55 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/18/12 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Califbill" wrote in message
...


Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered. First, why
did a
person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why target
assault rifles because of this. He used pistols.

------------------------------------------------------

My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or clone of one
to kill the children and adults.
He used a pistol to kill himself.

Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on
assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to
acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in terms of
how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A magazine
capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common
recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just
announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits
magazine rounds to 10.

So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable" number in
our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1?
There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the false hope
that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many guns
exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out mass
murders. Banning guns isn't the answer.

I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on magazine
capacity that is "acceptable".


How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very easy, especially if one is taped to the
other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to twenty rounds. Another four or five
seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get up to thirty rounds off.

Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks happy. It won't stop a determined
killer in any way.


So, when will we see the aftermath of your multi-magazine rampage? Are
you going over to Springfield Mall to kill a bunch of Latinos?



There are very few Mexicans in Springfield Mall.



Springfield Mall and in fact much of the area just north of the mall
towards Annandale has one of the highest concentrations of MS-13
gangbangers along the Eastern Seaboard. There have been many "incidents"
reported by shoppers at that mall of being confronted by gang members.

If you put "ms-13 springfield, va" into a google search, you'll get a
lot of hits, and many of them have details of MS-13 gang activities
right down the street from you and what, about five miles away?

Oh, and MS-13 is transnational. It's not a "Mexican" gang.

You are an ignorant ass.


Your post didn't mention MS-13 or any other gang. Are all Latinos, in your estimation, gang members?
Perhaps you were looking in a mirror when you typed 'ignorant ass'?

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

On 12/19/2012 3:47 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:39:43 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/18/2012 10:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:10:06 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/18/2012 4:50 PM, wrote:

Just making the point that a magazine is not a clip.



So why does anybody need 30 in a clip outside PoPo, or Military?

I would ask why the PoPo need a 30 round magazine too.

Marksmanship went out the window when the cops started carrying double
stack 9MMs and they end up doing things like shooting 11 innocent
bystanders, taking down ONE perp. (recently in NYC)


Last chance... So why does anybody need 30 in a clip outside PoPo, or
Military?


Lots of squirrels running around?

Rats at the dump?

Raccoons and other critters attacking Huntingtown, MD?

Your question's been asked and answered!


And when it was, I said acknowledged it and thanked the author... now
calm down, you are a gun owner, don't need you getting all that excited.

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 3:59 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:35:16 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 9:27 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:33:55 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/18/12 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Califbill" wrote in message
...


Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered. First, why
did a
person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why target
assault rifles because of this. He used pistols.

------------------------------------------------------

My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or clone of one
to kill the children and adults.
He used a pistol to kill himself.

Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on
assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to
acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in terms of
how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A magazine
capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common
recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just
announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits
magazine rounds to 10.

So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable" number in
our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1?
There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the false hope
that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many guns
exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out mass
murders. Banning guns isn't the answer.

I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on magazine
capacity that is "acceptable".


How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very easy, especially if one is taped to the
other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to twenty rounds. Another four or five
seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get up to thirty rounds off.

Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks happy. It won't stop a determined
killer in any way.


So, when will we see the aftermath of your multi-magazine rampage? Are
you going over to Springfield Mall to kill a bunch of Latinos?



There are very few Mexicans in Springfield Mall.



Springfield Mall and in fact much of the area just north of the mall
towards Annandale has one of the highest concentrations of MS-13
gangbangers along the Eastern Seaboard. There have been many "incidents"
reported by shoppers at that mall of being confronted by gang members.

If you put "ms-13 springfield, va" into a google search, you'll get a
lot of hits, and many of them have details of MS-13 gang activities
right down the street from you and what, about five miles away?

Oh, and MS-13 is transnational. It's not a "Mexican" gang.

You are an ignorant ass.


Your post didn't mention MS-13 or any other gang. Are all Latinos, in your estimation, gang members?
Perhaps you were looking in a mirror when you typed 'ignorant ass'?

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

It's not something I worry about, ESAD. Perhaps the sight of a Latino scares you, but I'm really not
bothered by it. And you call others 'racist'.

My 'clapped out old motorcycle' took me about 90 miles today at about 50 mpg. How's your 'Ducati'
running? Do you keep it in your Maryland-red barn? I suppose the twin-Volvo-diesel-powered trawler
is stored there also, no?

On 12/19/12 5:39 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 3:59 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:35:16 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 9:27 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:33:55 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/18/12 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Califbill" wrote in message
...


Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered. First, why
did a
person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why target
assault rifles because of this. He used pistols.

------------------------------------------------------

My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or clone of one
to kill the children and adults.
He used a pistol to kill himself.

Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on
assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to
acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in terms of
how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A magazine
capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common
recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just
announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits
magazine rounds to 10.

So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable" number in
our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1?
There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the false hope
that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many guns
exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out mass
murders. Banning guns isn't the answer.

I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on magazine
capacity that is "acceptable".


How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very easy, especially if one is taped to the
other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to twenty rounds. Another four or five
seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get up to thirty rounds off.

Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks happy. It won't stop a determined
killer in any way.


So, when will we see the aftermath of your multi-magazine rampage? Are
you going over to Springfield Mall to kill a bunch of Latinos?



There are very few Mexicans in Springfield Mall.



Springfield Mall and in fact much of the area just north of the mall
towards Annandale has one of the highest concentrations of MS-13
gangbangers along the Eastern Seaboard. There have been many "incidents"
reported by shoppers at that mall of being confronted by gang members.

If you put "ms-13 springfield, va" into a google search, you'll get a
lot of hits, and many of them have details of MS-13 gang activities
right down the street from you and what, about five miles away?

Oh, and MS-13 is transnational. It's not a "Mexican" gang.

You are an ignorant ass.


Your post didn't mention MS-13 or any other gang. Are all Latinos, in your estimation, gang members?
Perhaps you were looking in a mirror when you typed 'ignorant ass'?

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

It's not something I worry about, ESAD. Perhaps the sight of a Latino scares you, but I'm really not
bothered by it. And you call others 'racist'.

My 'clapped out old motorcycle' took me about 90 miles today at about 50 mpg. How's your 'Ducati'
running? Do you keep it in your Maryland-red barn? I suppose the twin-Volvo-diesel-powered trawler
is stored there also, no?


Duc and I took a 50 mile round trip to Home Despot earlier today, ISO
some Honeywell timer switches and some dimmer switches.

On 12/19/2012 12:49 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:35 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/18/2012 12:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Fine - do away with 'military style...combat assault rifles with high capacity (not defined)
magazines'. How the hell would that stop someone who wanted to kill twenty kids? It might make him a
little slower, but not much!

Yeah, lets make it as easy as possible.

That was kind of a stupid reply. C-4 would make it *very* easy. In fact, I'm wondering why some
jihadist hasn't strapped a bomb to her chest and walked into a school cafeteria during lunchtime.

Yeah, it wasn't the time for sarcasm. You got my point though.