In article ,
says...

On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:47:34 -0500, wrote:

I keep hearing about these closed mental hospitals but most were
actually closed because civil rights and privacy advocates took away
all of the patients. It is very hard to keep someone in a mental
hospital after 72 hours if they want to go.

There is a guy around the corner from me who has been "Baker acted" at
least 30 times in the last 10 years (hauled away by the cops and put
in for observation). Sometimes he goes into rehab for a few weeks on
our dime, he calls it the spa, but most of the time he is home after
a few days.

Even court ordered (non-criminal) commitments can easily be vacated if
the patient files a "show cause" motion and there are lots of "rights"
groups who will file the motion for you.


There are at least three large mental health facilities with forensic
wards in your state of Florida. My wife did her internship at one of
them, a 650-bed facility. At the time she worked there, there were
several hundred persons resident who had been committed for substantial
or even indeterminate terms as a result of serious, violent criminal
activities in which they had engaged.

The assumption is that your wife met you at one of these mental
hospitals or during a group therapy session where you were a mandatory
attendee.

Your "guy around the corner" sounds like someone who is a drug addict
and who gets out of control but is not judged a threat to others. A
"Baker Act" commitment is for 72 hours, after which a judge determines
if cause can be demonstrated for a longer commitment. If not, as is
usually the case, the individual is released.

Thirty times in 10 years is a pattern. The guy is not right in the head.

Most communities these days simply don't have out-patient treatment
available for the indigent, so they end up hospitalized.

Maybe if you paid your taxes the government could afford to run in-
patient facilities.

In article ,
says...

On 12/19/12 9:27 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:33:55 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/18/12 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Califbill" wrote in message
...


Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered. First, why
did a
person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why target
assault rifles because of this. He used pistols.

------------------------------------------------------

My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or clone of one
to kill the children and adults.
He used a pistol to kill himself.

Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on
assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to
acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in terms of
how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A magazine
capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common
recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just
announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits
magazine rounds to 10.

So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable" number in
our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1?
There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the false hope
that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many guns
exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out mass
murders. Banning guns isn't the answer.

I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on magazine
capacity that is "acceptable".


How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very easy, especially if one is taped to the
other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to twenty rounds. Another four or five
seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get up to thirty rounds off.

Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks happy. It won't stop a determined
killer in any way.


So, when will we see the aftermath of your multi-magazine rampage? Are
you going over to Springfield Mall to kill a bunch of Latinos?



There are very few Mexicans in Springfield Mall.



Springfield Mall and in fact much of the area just north of the mall
towards Annandale has one of the highest concentrations of MS-13
gangbangers along the Eastern Seaboard. There have been many "incidents"
reported by shoppers at that mall of being confronted by gang members.

If you put "ms-13 springfield, va" into a google search, you'll get a
lot of hits, and many of them have details of MS-13 gang activities
right down the street from you and what, about five miles away?

Oh, and MS-13 is transnational. It's not a "Mexican" gang.

You are an ignorant ass.

Criminal gang members should be housed in Antarctica.

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:35:16 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 9:27 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:33:55 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/18/12 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Califbill" wrote in message
...


Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered. First, why
did a
person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why target
assault rifles because of this. He used pistols.

------------------------------------------------------

My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or clone of one
to kill the children and adults.
He used a pistol to kill himself.

Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on
assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to
acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in terms of
how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A magazine
capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common
recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just
announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits
magazine rounds to 10.

So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable" number in
our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1?
There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the false hope
that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many guns
exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out mass
murders. Banning guns isn't the answer.

I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on magazine
capacity that is "acceptable".


How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very easy, especially if one is taped to the
other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to twenty rounds. Another four or five
seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get up to thirty rounds off.

Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks happy. It won't stop a determined
killer in any way.


So, when will we see the aftermath of your multi-magazine rampage? Are
you going over to Springfield Mall to kill a bunch of Latinos?



There are very few Mexicans in Springfield Mall.



Springfield Mall and in fact much of the area just north of the mall
towards Annandale has one of the highest concentrations of MS-13
gangbangers along the Eastern Seaboard. There have been many "incidents"
reported by shoppers at that mall of being confronted by gang members.

If you put "ms-13 springfield, va" into a google search, you'll get a
lot of hits, and many of them have details of MS-13 gang activities
right down the street from you and what, about five miles away?

Oh, and MS-13 is transnational. It's not a "Mexican" gang.

You are an ignorant ass.


Your post didn't mention MS-13 or any other gang. Are all Latinos, in your estimation, gang members?
Perhaps you were looking in a mirror when you typed 'ignorant ass'?

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.

Springfield Mall died in the early 80's. It was a dump then and is still
a dump to this day.

wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:38:18 -0500, BAR wrote:

Your "guy around the corner" sounds like someone who is a drug addict
and who gets out of control but is not judged a threat to others. A
"Baker Act" commitment is for 72 hours, after which a judge determines
if cause can be demonstrated for a longer commitment. If not, as is
usually the case, the individual is released.

Thirty times in 10 years is a pattern. The guy is not right in the head.

The cops have been there three times in the last 2 days and left
without him every time.
I don't think anything will be done until he kills someone or one of
my neighbors shoots him.
The seven years was up and he just got his driver's license back after
felony DUI so it will probably be someone on the road who gets it with
his pickup.

I guess the real question is exactly what you do. I don't think anyone
has actually been "cured" of mental illness. They can drug the people
into a compliant stupor but as soon as they stop taking the drug, they
are back to crazy, maybe even worse than before. The drugs also seem
to lose effectiveness over the years.
Are we really talking about a gulag mentality where they round up all
the people someone thinks are "mentally ill" and lock them up?

"Outpatient services" is really just a drug dispensary and the problem
is the patients are not real good about taking their drugs.

You are grossly overstating the problems here. Many mental illnesses can be
controlled with therapy and sometimes with therapy and medications. You are
giving the impression that if you have a mental illness your outlook is
forever dim. Many people with mental illnesses Are creative and productive
members of society. Your prejudices are really out there.

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:25:32 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 5:39 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 3:59 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:35:16 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 9:27 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:33:55 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/18/12 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Califbill" wrote in message
...


Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered. First, why
did a
person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why target
assault rifles because of this. He used pistols.

------------------------------------------------------

My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or clone of one
to kill the children and adults.
He used a pistol to kill himself.

Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on
assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to
acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in terms of
how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A magazine
capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common
recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just
announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits
magazine rounds to 10.

So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable" number in
our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1?
There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the false hope
that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many guns
exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out mass
murders. Banning guns isn't the answer.

I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on magazine
capacity that is "acceptable".


How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very easy, especially if one is taped to the
other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to twenty rounds. Another four or five
seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get up to thirty rounds off.

Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks happy. It won't stop a determined
killer in any way.


So, when will we see the aftermath of your multi-magazine rampage? Are
you going over to Springfield Mall to kill a bunch of Latinos?



There are very few Mexicans in Springfield Mall.



Springfield Mall and in fact much of the area just north of the mall
towards Annandale has one of the highest concentrations of MS-13
gangbangers along the Eastern Seaboard. There have been many "incidents"
reported by shoppers at that mall of being confronted by gang members.

If you put "ms-13 springfield, va" into a google search, you'll get a
lot of hits, and many of them have details of MS-13 gang activities
right down the street from you and what, about five miles away?

Oh, and MS-13 is transnational. It's not a "Mexican" gang.

You are an ignorant ass.


Your post didn't mention MS-13 or any other gang. Are all Latinos, in your estimation, gang members?
Perhaps you were looking in a mirror when you typed 'ignorant ass'?

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

It's not something I worry about, ESAD. Perhaps the sight of a Latino scares you, but I'm really not
bothered by it. And you call others 'racist'.

My 'clapped out old motorcycle' took me about 90 miles today at about 50 mpg. How's your 'Ducati'
running? Do you keep it in your Maryland-red barn? I suppose the twin-Volvo-diesel-powered trawler
is stored there also, no?


Duc and I took a 50 mile round trip to Home Despot earlier today, ISO
some Honeywell timer switches and some dimmer switches.

LOL!

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:25:08 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/19/2012 12:49 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:35 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/18/2012 12:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Fine - do away with 'military style...combat assault rifles with high capacity (not defined)
magazines'. How the hell would that stop someone who wanted to kill twenty kids? It might make him a
little slower, but not much!

Yeah, lets make it as easy as possible.

That was kind of a stupid reply. C-4 would make it *very* easy. In fact, I'm wondering why some
jihadist hasn't strapped a bomb to her chest and walked into a school cafeteria during lunchtime.

Yeah, it wasn't the time for sarcasm. You got my point though.

If the goal is to make the killing of 20 kids take 10 seconds longer, then it's a stupid goal! Do
you get the point?

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:16:29 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

The worst elements of DC have moved out to the beltway and beyond
because real estate values inside DC have priced them out of the
market.
PG and Arlington County used to be "Leave it to Beaver" land. PG has
become a combat zone and I understand it is not much better on the
other side of the bridge.

Oh yes it is! You're right about PG county though. That place is a definite mess. Don't know what
the problem is. ESAD lives pretty close. Maybe he can explain why PG County is the war zone it is.

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:25:32 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 5:39 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 3:59 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:35:16 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 9:27 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:33:55 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/18/12 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Califbill" wrote in message
...


Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered. First, why
did a
person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why target
assault rifles because of this. He used pistols.

------------------------------------------------------

My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or clone of one
to kill the children and adults.
He used a pistol to kill himself.

Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on
assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to
acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in terms of
how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A magazine
capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common
recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just
announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits
magazine rounds to 10.

So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable" number in
our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1?
There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the false hope
that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many guns
exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out mass
murders. Banning guns isn't the answer.

I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on magazine
capacity that is "acceptable".


How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very easy, especially if one is taped to the
other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to twenty rounds. Another four or five
seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get up to thirty rounds off.

Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks happy. It won't stop a determined
killer in any way.


So, when will we see the aftermath of your multi-magazine rampage? Are
you going over to Springfield Mall to kill a bunch of Latinos?



There are very few Mexicans in Springfield Mall.



Springfield Mall and in fact much of the area just north of the mall
towards Annandale has one of the highest concentrations of MS-13
gangbangers along the Eastern Seaboard. There have been many "incidents"
reported by shoppers at that mall of being confronted by gang members.

If you put "ms-13 springfield, va" into a google search, you'll get a
lot of hits, and many of them have details of MS-13 gang activities
right down the street from you and what, about five miles away?

Oh, and MS-13 is transnational. It's not a "Mexican" gang.

You are an ignorant ass.


Your post didn't mention MS-13 or any other gang. Are all Latinos, in your estimation, gang members?
Perhaps you were looking in a mirror when you typed 'ignorant ass'?

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

It's not something I worry about, ESAD. Perhaps the sight of a Latino scares you, but I'm really not
bothered by it. And you call others 'racist'.

My 'clapped out old motorcycle' took me about 90 miles today at about 50 mpg. How's your 'Ducati'
running? Do you keep it in your Maryland-red barn? I suppose the twin-Volvo-diesel-powered trawler
is stored there also, no?


Duc and I took a 50 mile round trip to Home Despot earlier today, ISO
some Honeywell timer switches and some dimmer switches.

LOL!

That IS hilarious!!! If you remember, when he first started, it was a
Kawasaki!!!!!

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/18/2012 3:45 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:02:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 17, 2012 11:34:25 AM UTC-5, jps wrote:
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough,

Was wrong whe he said: "The violence we see spreading...

It is not spreading, it is actually reduced from 1980-90 levels.

Here's what needs to be looked at instead of new, knee-jerk gun control laws.

http://now.msn.com/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-says-mom-of-mentally-ill-son?

Thanks to Reagan for cutting mental health programs....

Have we not had Democrat presidents and Democrat controlled congresses since Reagan?

What a stupid f'ing comment, Kevin.


Who held congress at the time the bill was passed?

Republicans, why?

The California Legislature was Democrat. The bill was a California bill.
Just set the model for the rest of the states.

wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:34:29 -0500, JustWait
wrote:


So, how about you try it since Greg won't answer the question... and
remember, I support the second. But I am starting to wonder why you need
a 30 round clip?

Since when do we base what we can buy by what we need. Nobody NEEDS a
motorcycle.

Some might need a motorcycle, but nobody needs a race motorcycle. Just
like the former police chief n San Jose California. Since he was a cop,
got to carry all the time, but stated no civilian needed a firearm. Max
speed limit was 65 in the state, but he drove a top of the line Jaguar.