On Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
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He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball.

Bull****.


http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-
colleges/rankings/national-universities/most-international

What a maroon you are. Your link doesn't disprove anything I wrote.

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:37:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:42:14 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:33:55 -0800, jps wrote:



On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote:







You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are

not taking the science and engineering courses.

Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against?

(not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?)



Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and

extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete.

You admit they already get a big break on tuition



Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck.

We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around

#26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste

their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most

interesting barista at Starbucks.



You completely glossed the explanation. Higher ed state schools with

the programs to churn out STEM graduates are opting for the high value

out-of-state (country) students and their higher tuition rates, at the

cost of our own kids having seats.



From what I understand, lots of Chinese students being accepted at US

universities have ginned up resumes and doctored educational

histories.



Cash strapped states are slashing funding for state colleges so

they're stuck in the middle, desperate for higher tuition rates. Those

tuition rates are not as easly reachable for stateside students

anymore, so they're being paid by foreign students from wealthy

families.



Welcome to the new reality in the states. Poorly-funded educational

system incapable of turning out the talent that's sorely needed to

keep the country competitive.



Get it?



Are you saying there are a significant number of American kids who
apply and are rejected?
As for the allegation that the foreign students fake their
qualifications, maybe a good measure would be the graduation rate.

He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have.
The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school,
in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball.

===

Family support of educational goals is absolutely key. Too many
parents today make trouble for teachers who give their child poor
grades instead of getting to the root cause. Schools have got to get
over this notion that a child's (and parent's) self esteem is more
important than actual learning.

When my oldest daughter was in 3rd grade I attended one of her
parent/teacher conferences. The teacher told me that she was having some
trouble with math. I quickly responded asking the teacher what resources
I could use to help my daughter with math. The teacher was taken aback
because she didn't expect a parent to care or want to help.

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On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:17:14 -0500, wrote:

The best chance to make a lot of money in engineering is to be a PE. A
PE with a stamp can make a quarter million a year and it is all up
from there depending on how good a business person you are.

===

How does that work? I am totally ignorant about what PEs do, and how
they become qualified.

Undergrad degree, Engineer In Training for 4 years, then take the PE
exam. Most fail it at least once.

You can't even take the PE test, you are a glorified AutoCAD operator.

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On Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...


He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball.

Bull****.


http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-
colleges/rankings/national-universities/most-international

What a maroon you are. Your link doesn't disprove anything I wrote.

If you think that, you are as dumb as a stump.

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:37:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:42:14 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:33:55 -0800, jps wrote:



On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote:







You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are

not taking the science and engineering courses.

Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against?

(not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?)



Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and

extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete.

You admit they already get a big break on tuition



Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck.

We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around

#26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste

their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most

interesting barista at Starbucks.



You completely glossed the explanation. Higher ed state schools with

the programs to churn out STEM graduates are opting for the high value

out-of-state (country) students and their higher tuition rates, at the

cost of our own kids having seats.



From what I understand, lots of Chinese students being accepted at US

universities have ginned up resumes and doctored educational

histories.



Cash strapped states are slashing funding for state colleges so

they're stuck in the middle, desperate for higher tuition rates. Those

tuition rates are not as easly reachable for stateside students

anymore, so they're being paid by foreign students from wealthy

families.



Welcome to the new reality in the states. Poorly-funded educational

system incapable of turning out the talent that's sorely needed to

keep the country competitive.



Get it?



Are you saying there are a significant number of American kids who
apply and are rejected?
As for the allegation that the foreign students fake their
qualifications, maybe a good measure would be the graduation rate.

He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have.
The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school,
in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball.

===

Family support of educational goals is absolutely key. Too many
parents today make trouble for teachers who give their child poor
grades instead of getting to the root cause. Schools have got to get
over this notion that a child's (and parent's) self esteem is more
important than actual learning.

When my oldest daughter was in 3rd grade I attended one of her
parent/teacher conferences. The teacher told me that she was having some
trouble with math. I quickly responded asking the teacher what resources
I could use to help my daughter with math. The teacher was taken aback
because she didn't expect a parent to care or want to help.

Yup!

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On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:17:14 -0500, wrote:

The best chance to make a lot of money in engineering is to be a PE. A
PE with a stamp can make a quarter million a year and it is all up
from there depending on how good a business person you are.

===

How does that work? I am totally ignorant about what PEs do, and how
they become qualified.

Undergrad degree, Engineer In Training for 4 years, then take the PE
exam. Most fail it at least once.

You can't even take the PE test, you are a glorified AutoCAD operator.

????

On Friday, December 7, 2012 8:23:29 AM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,



says...





He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball.



Bull****.





http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-

colleges/rankings/national-universities/most-international



What a maroon you are. Your link doesn't disprove anything I wrote.



If you think that, you are as dumb as a stump.

Really? Then explain exactly how it does, complete with quotes from your link.

On 12/7/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...


He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball.

Bull****.


http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-
colleges/rankings/national-universities/most-international

What a maroon you are. Your link doesn't disprove anything I wrote.

If you think that, you are as dumb as a stump.


Hold on there, fella. I know a tree stump that is smarter than some of
the posters here. Well, I *knew* such a tree stump. "Stumpy" is no more,
having died of lead poisoning.

"Dumber than a stump" would be a better phrase.

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 14:33:09 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/6/2012 2:13 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:37:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:42:14 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:33:55 -0800, jps wrote:



On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote:







You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are

not taking the science and engineering courses.

Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against?

(not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?)



Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and

extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete.

You admit they already get a big break on tuition



Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck.

We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around

#26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste

their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most

interesting barista at Starbucks.



You completely glossed the explanation. Higher ed state schools with

the programs to churn out STEM graduates are opting for the high value

out-of-state (country) students and their higher tuition rates, at the

cost of our own kids having seats.



From what I understand, lots of Chinese students being accepted at US

universities have ginned up resumes and doctored educational

histories.



Cash strapped states are slashing funding for state colleges so

they're stuck in the middle, desperate for higher tuition rates. Those

tuition rates are not as easly reachable for stateside students

anymore, so they're being paid by foreign students from wealthy

families.



Welcome to the new reality in the states. Poorly-funded educational

system incapable of turning out the talent that's sorely needed to

keep the country competitive.



Get it?



Are you saying there are a significant number of American kids who
apply and are rejected?
As for the allegation that the foreign students fake their
qualifications, maybe a good measure would be the graduation rate.

He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have.
The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school,
in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball.

===

Family support of educational goals is absolutely key. Too many
parents today make trouble for teachers who give their child poor
grades instead of getting to the root cause. Schools have got to get
over this notion that a child's (and parent's) self esteem is more
important than actual learning.


All they really have to do is stop indoctrinating, and start teaching
reading, writing, math, and science. Right now, these subjects are
mostly just names for social engineering classes. My kids did gay rights
projects, in Science class for **** sakes...

More spew from Snotty's ass.

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On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 08:23:29 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

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On Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:30:55 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...


He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have. The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school, in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball.

Bull****.




What a maroon you are. Your link doesn't disprove anything I wrote.

If you think that, you are as dumb as a stump.

You still have not addressed the fact that immigrants, particularly
Asians do much better in graduation rates and grades than Americans.
That was what we were talking about.
In fact they have adjusted the testing standards so Asians have to
actually do better than Caucasians and much better than Hispanics and
Blacks to get the same credit

threepants said that "higher degrees were award (sic) to students who
were 75-80% foreign. my link proves that wrong but he can't figure out
how.