On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:14:40 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/10/12 10:03 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 08:53:07 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 12/9/2012 6:53 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/9/12 1:06 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 10:37:44 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:47:49 -0800, "Califbill" wrote:

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 14:40:34 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Califbill" wrote in message
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GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:55:36 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:03:07 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

This article sums it up pretty well. Of course, I didn't write it, but
hopefully you'll get the
drift.

http://tinyurl.com/a3a6gfy

Sorry you're disappointed, but it's not the first time and probably
won't be the last.

====

Judging from that article I'd have to say that the author, and
probably you, share some confusion about the difference between
values, religious beliefs and political beliefs. Sometimes reasonable
people with high values have to agree to disagree. More importantly,
it is inappropriate to try and impose your religious beliefs on others
and then accuse them of lacking "values".

Other than, possibly, the first one, there is nothing religious there. I
don't consider the first
one a religious position. 'Marriage' was an institution that had some
meaning. Now liberals,
especially, have made it a sham. And, I agree that 'it is 'it is
inappropriate to try and impose
your religious beliefs on others', and that includes atheists imposing
theirs. If you can't read
that and determine what 'values' are being discussed, then I can
understand your comments.

Religious beliefs are fine. Just do not force them on others, but
likewise, others should not infringe your religious freedoms. And marriage
has been different things through the years. Lots of the profits in the
bible had multiple wives. In the 1800's you could marry multiple spouses
in Texas, Alabama and another regions also. And not even have to be
Mormon. Texas about we're married if you announced it in front of 20
witness's or signed in to a hotel as Mr. And Mrs. No church or state
involved. It is supposed to be a free country. You want to marry same
sex? Go for it. Just do not require the rest of unto pay for your
lifestyle. Same goes for most drugs, do them, die if that happens, but do
not expect society to pay for your medical bills.


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dang Ipad and the spelling corrections.

You've referred several times to differences in the number of wives. Not a
lot of instances in the
bible of male prophets marrying other males, goats, or whatever. Ditto with
Texas, Alabama, and
other regions. I have a gay niece living with her girlfriend. They will
probably invite me to a
'wedding' soon. I won't attend because I think the 'ceremony' is a sham.


-----------------------------

It is supposed to be a free country. If you pay your taxes, do not force
your views on someone else, and the partners are not children and are in
agreement, then just let it be. Does not concern most of us, except maybe
in your views, but their views are allowable also.

I agree. They were both here for a 'Thanksgiving' dinner the week before Thanksgiving. No problem.
But, I won't attend their wedding - if and when it occurs.

You're just a bigoted asshole, Racist John.

If not believing in 'Gay Marriage' makes me a bigoted asshole, then I reckon you're right, Kevin.



There are many reasons why you are a bigoted asshole.

If John is a bigoted asshole, he is a taxing paying bigoted asshole.


Don't want to tell anyone what to do but I got invited to a Gay Marriage
back in the 90's. I was against it too, still am. I went to the ceremony
though. I figure if two people think they love each other and want to
spend their lives together, who the f am I? And as far as the moral
dilema, I figure God can decide how to judge them later... I was good
friends with the guy and explained it to him just like that, he knew I
didn't agree with his lifestyle, but realized that I too am a sinner and
a Christian like him, and he didn't judge my sins...

Where is it written that marriage is between a man and a woman?

Dictionary.com

mar·riage [mar-ij] Show IPA
noun
1.a.the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband
and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. Antonyms: separation.

And, of course, you can probably find secondary and tertiary meanings that include gays, dogs,
goats, etc.



If you weren't such a small-minded, bigoted asshole, you'd realize there
are dozens and dozens of definitions for the coupling of marriage, and
that they are not necessarily secondary meanings.

There are, for example, communal marriages, a system prevailing amongst
some primitive peoples, by which within a small community all the men
are regarded as married to all the women, and vice versa; sometimes
called group marriage.


There's Scotch marriage: a marriage according to the Scots law, effected
by a mutual declaration before witnesses, without other formality;
chiefly applied to the runaway marriages (formerly frequent) of couples
who crossed from England into Scotland in order to escape the
restrictions imposed by English law on the marriage of minors without
the consent of their guardians.




Gosh, more examples of men and women. You folks need some examples of men and goats to *really* make
your point!

On 12/11/12 8:37 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:14:40 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/10/12 10:03 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 08:53:07 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 12/9/2012 6:53 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/9/12 1:06 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 10:37:44 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:47:49 -0800, "Califbill" wrote:

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 14:40:34 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Califbill" wrote in message
...

GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:55:36 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:03:07 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

This article sums it up pretty well. Of course, I didn't write it, but
hopefully you'll get the
drift.

http://tinyurl.com/a3a6gfy

Sorry you're disappointed, but it's not the first time and probably
won't be the last.

====

Judging from that article I'd have to say that the author, and
probably you, share some confusion about the difference between
values, religious beliefs and political beliefs. Sometimes reasonable
people with high values have to agree to disagree. More importantly,
it is inappropriate to try and impose your religious beliefs on others
and then accuse them of lacking "values".

Other than, possibly, the first one, there is nothing religious there. I
don't consider the first
one a religious position. 'Marriage' was an institution that had some
meaning. Now liberals,
especially, have made it a sham. And, I agree that 'it is 'it is
inappropriate to try and impose
your religious beliefs on others', and that includes atheists imposing
theirs. If you can't read
that and determine what 'values' are being discussed, then I can
understand your comments.

Religious beliefs are fine. Just do not force them on others, but
likewise, others should not infringe your religious freedoms. And marriage
has been different things through the years. Lots of the profits in the
bible had multiple wives. In the 1800's you could marry multiple spouses
in Texas, Alabama and another regions also. And not even have to be
Mormon. Texas about we're married if you announced it in front of 20
witness's or signed in to a hotel as Mr. And Mrs. No church or state
involved. It is supposed to be a free country. You want to marry same
sex? Go for it. Just do not require the rest of unto pay for your
lifestyle. Same goes for most drugs, do them, die if that happens, but do
not expect society to pay for your medical bills.


-----------------
dang Ipad and the spelling corrections.

You've referred several times to differences in the number of wives. Not a
lot of instances in the
bible of male prophets marrying other males, goats, or whatever. Ditto with
Texas, Alabama, and
other regions. I have a gay niece living with her girlfriend. They will
probably invite me to a
'wedding' soon. I won't attend because I think the 'ceremony' is a sham.


-----------------------------

It is supposed to be a free country. If you pay your taxes, do not force
your views on someone else, and the partners are not children and are in
agreement, then just let it be. Does not concern most of us, except maybe
in your views, but their views are allowable also.

I agree. They were both here for a 'Thanksgiving' dinner the week before Thanksgiving. No problem.
But, I won't attend their wedding - if and when it occurs.

You're just a bigoted asshole, Racist John.

If not believing in 'Gay Marriage' makes me a bigoted asshole, then I reckon you're right, Kevin.



There are many reasons why you are a bigoted asshole.

If John is a bigoted asshole, he is a taxing paying bigoted asshole.


Don't want to tell anyone what to do but I got invited to a Gay Marriage
back in the 90's. I was against it too, still am. I went to the ceremony
though. I figure if two people think they love each other and want to
spend their lives together, who the f am I? And as far as the moral
dilema, I figure God can decide how to judge them later... I was good
friends with the guy and explained it to him just like that, he knew I
didn't agree with his lifestyle, but realized that I too am a sinner and
a Christian like him, and he didn't judge my sins...

Where is it written that marriage is between a man and a woman?

Dictionary.com

mar·riage [mar-ij] Show IPA
noun
1.a.the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband
and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. Antonyms: separation.

And, of course, you can probably find secondary and tertiary meanings that include gays, dogs,
goats, etc.



If you weren't such a small-minded, bigoted asshole, you'd realize there
are dozens and dozens of definitions for the coupling of marriage, and
that they are not necessarily secondary meanings.

There are, for example, communal marriages, a system prevailing amongst
some primitive peoples, by which within a small community all the men
are regarded as married to all the women, and vice versa; sometimes
called group marriage.


There's Scotch marriage: a marriage according to the Scots law, effected
by a mutual declaration before witnesses, without other formality;
chiefly applied to the runaway marriages (formerly frequent) of couples
who crossed from England into Scotland in order to escape the
restrictions imposed by English law on the marriage of minors without
the consent of their guardians.




Gosh, more examples of men and women. You folks need some examples of men and goats to *really* make
your point!


What's the matter with you? You seem to have some real hangups about
human interpersonal relationships that in reality have nothing to do
with you. Why are you so offended by gay marriage? It's not as if you
are a religious guy, following the teachings of jesus, because you
aren't. No one is pressuring you to "turn gay," (as if that is
possible), and I doubt gays are harassing you at the shopping malls.

Why can't you just go to the wedding and wish your relative well in her
new life?

On 12/11/2012 6:02 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/11/12 8:37 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Gosh, more examples of men and women. You folks need some examples of
men and goats to *really* make
your point!

What's the matter with you? You seem to have some real hangups about
human interpersonal relationships that in reality have nothing to do
with you. Why are you so offended by gay marriage? It's not as if you
are a religious guy, following the teachings of jesus, because you
aren't. No one is pressuring you to "turn gay," (as if that is
possible), and I doubt gays are harassing you at the shopping malls.

Why can't you just go to the wedding and wish your relative well in her
new life?

Tempted by goats?

On 12/11/12 11:31 AM, thumper wrote:
On 12/11/2012 6:02 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/11/12 8:37 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Gosh, more examples of men and women. You folks need some examples of
men and goats to *really* make
your point!

What's the matter with you? You seem to have some real hangups about
human interpersonal relationships that in reality have nothing to do
with you. Why are you so offended by gay marriage? It's not as if you
are a religious guy, following the teachings of jesus, because you
aren't. No one is pressuring you to "turn gay," (as if that is
possible), and I doubt gays are harassing you at the shopping malls.

Why can't you just go to the wedding and wish your relative well in her
new life?

Tempted by goats?


Only the white goats, I am sure.

In article , lid says...

On 12/11/2012 6:02 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/11/12 8:37 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Gosh, more examples of men and women. You folks need some examples of
men and goats to *really* make
your point!

What's the matter with you? You seem to have some real hangups about
human interpersonal relationships that in reality have nothing to do
with you. Why are you so offended by gay marriage? It's not as if you
are a religious guy, following the teachings of jesus, because you
aren't. No one is pressuring you to "turn gay," (as if that is
possible), and I doubt gays are harassing you at the shopping malls.

Why can't you just go to the wedding and wish your relative well in her
new life?

Tempted by goats?

Because he's a bigot.