On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:44:33 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,
says...

On 12/10/2012 9:15 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/10/12 9:02 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:07:55 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/9/2012 6:53 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/9/12 1:06 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 10:37:44 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:47:49 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 14:40:34 -0800, "Califbill"

wrote:

"Califbill" wrote in message
...


GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:55:36 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:03:07 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

This article sums it up pretty well. Of course, I didn't
write it, but
hopefully you'll get the
drift.

http://tinyurl.com/a3a6gfy

Sorry you're disappointed, but it's not the first time and
probably
won't be the last.

====

Judging from that article I'd have to say that the author, and
probably you, share some confusion about the difference between
values, religious beliefs and political beliefs. Sometimes
reasonable
people with high values have to agree to disagree. More
importantly,
it is inappropriate to try and impose your religious beliefs
on others
and then accuse them of lacking "values".

Other than, possibly, the first one, there is nothing
religious there. I
don't consider the first
one a religious position. 'Marriage' was an institution that
had some
meaning. Now liberals,
especially, have made it a sham. And, I agree that 'it is 'it is
inappropriate to try and impose
your religious beliefs on others', and that includes atheists
imposing
theirs. If you can't read
that and determine what 'values' are being discussed, then I can
understand your comments.

Religious beliefs are fine. Just do not force them on others,
but
likewise, others should not infringe your religious freedoms.
And marriage
has been different things through the years. Lots of the
profits in the
bible had multiple wives. In the 1800's you could marry
multiple spouses
in Texas, Alabama and another regions also. And not even have
to be
Mormon. Texas about we're married if you announced it in
front of 20
witness's or signed in to a hotel as Mr. And Mrs. No church
or state
involved. It is supposed to be a free country. You want to
marry same
sex? Go for it. Just do not require the rest of unto pay for
your
lifestyle. Same goes for most drugs, do them, die if that
happens, but do
not expect society to pay for your medical bills.


-----------------
dang Ipad and the spelling corrections.

You've referred several times to differences in the number of
wives. Not a
lot of instances in the
bible of male prophets marrying other males, goats, or
whatever. Ditto with
Texas, Alabama, and
other regions. I have a gay niece living with her girlfriend.
They will
probably invite me to a
'wedding' soon. I won't attend because I think the 'ceremony'
is a sham.


-----------------------------

It is supposed to be a free country. If you pay your taxes, do
not force
your views on someone else, and the partners are not children
and are in
agreement, then just let it be. Does not concern most of us,
except maybe
in your views, but their views are allowable also.

I agree. They were both here for a 'Thanksgiving' dinner the
week before Thanksgiving. No problem.
But, I won't attend their wedding - if and when it occurs.

You're just a bigoted asshole, Racist John.

If not believing in 'Gay Marriage' makes me a bigoted asshole,
then I reckon you're right, Kevin.



There are many reasons why you are a bigoted asshole.

If John is a bigoted asshole, he is a taxing paying bigoted asshole.


Don't want to tell anyone what to do but I got invited to a Gay Marriage
back in the 90's. I was against it too, still am. I went to the ceremony
though. I figure if two people think they love each other and want to
spend their lives together, who the f am I? And as far as the moral
dilema, I figure God can decide how to judge them later... I was good
friends with the guy and explained it to him just like that, he knew I
didn't agree with his lifestyle, but realized that I too am a sinner and
a Christian like him, and he didn't judge my sins...

Yup. Well, I love my niece, play golf with her, watched her graduate
from the Naval Academy, cheered
when she became a Naval Aviator, and have had her and her 'spouse' for
dinner several times.

But, I won't participate in a 'marriage' between gays. Just don't
believe in it. Call it something
else, and I might go. Maybe - 'unionage', 'conjugage', 'amalgation',
or make up another word. I
guess I'm just a 'bigoted asshole', along with being, according to
H&K, a racist asshole.


"Participate"? You mean, attend the ceremony? No one is asking you to
marry a gay. You're a small-minded, bigoted, racist asshole.

He may be a bit bigoted. We all are. But what makes him a small minded,
racist asshole?

What makes him small minded is his constant far right wing bull**** and
his stance that everything right is good and everything left is bad.

What makes him a racist is his racism. He's made disparaging remarks
here about Mexicans in his neighborhood, he's repeated Mexican jokes
here as well.

If the Mexicans on the corner trashed their yard, and I say, "The Mexicans on the corner trashed
their yard," is that 'racist'? If so, then I'm guilty as charged, 'cause they trashed their f'ing
yard! But, they have cleaned it up in the past year. So, that's a good thing.

Cite the 'Mexican jokes', if you please!

On 12/11/12 8:34 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:44:33 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,
says...

On 12/10/2012 9:15 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/10/12 9:02 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:07:55 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/9/2012 6:53 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/9/12 1:06 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 10:37:44 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:47:49 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 14:40:34 -0800, "Califbill"

wrote:

"Califbill" wrote in message
...


GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:55:36 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:03:07 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

This article sums it up pretty well. Of course, I didn't
write it, but
hopefully you'll get the
drift.

http://tinyurl.com/a3a6gfy

Sorry you're disappointed, but it's not the first time and
probably
won't be the last.

====

Judging from that article I'd have to say that the author, and
probably you, share some confusion about the difference between
values, religious beliefs and political beliefs. Sometimes
reasonable
people with high values have to agree to disagree. More
importantly,
it is inappropriate to try and impose your religious beliefs
on others
and then accuse them of lacking "values".

Other than, possibly, the first one, there is nothing
religious there. I
don't consider the first
one a religious position. 'Marriage' was an institution that
had some
meaning. Now liberals,
especially, have made it a sham. And, I agree that 'it is 'it is
inappropriate to try and impose
your religious beliefs on others', and that includes atheists
imposing
theirs. If you can't read
that and determine what 'values' are being discussed, then I can
understand your comments.

Religious beliefs are fine. Just do not force them on others,
but
likewise, others should not infringe your religious freedoms.
And marriage
has been different things through the years. Lots of the
profits in the
bible had multiple wives. In the 1800's you could marry
multiple spouses
in Texas, Alabama and another regions also. And not even have
to be
Mormon. Texas about we're married if you announced it in
front of 20
witness's or signed in to a hotel as Mr. And Mrs. No church
or state
involved. It is supposed to be a free country. You want to
marry same
sex? Go for it. Just do not require the rest of unto pay for
your
lifestyle. Same goes for most drugs, do them, die if that
happens, but do
not expect society to pay for your medical bills.


-----------------
dang Ipad and the spelling corrections.

You've referred several times to differences in the number of
wives. Not a
lot of instances in the
bible of male prophets marrying other males, goats, or
whatever. Ditto with
Texas, Alabama, and
other regions. I have a gay niece living with her girlfriend.
They will
probably invite me to a
'wedding' soon. I won't attend because I think the 'ceremony'
is a sham.


-----------------------------

It is supposed to be a free country. If you pay your taxes, do
not force
your views on someone else, and the partners are not children
and are in
agreement, then just let it be. Does not concern most of us,
except maybe
in your views, but their views are allowable also.

I agree. They were both here for a 'Thanksgiving' dinner the
week before Thanksgiving. No problem.
But, I won't attend their wedding - if and when it occurs.

You're just a bigoted asshole, Racist John.

If not believing in 'Gay Marriage' makes me a bigoted asshole,
then I reckon you're right, Kevin.



There are many reasons why you are a bigoted asshole.

If John is a bigoted asshole, he is a taxing paying bigoted asshole.


Don't want to tell anyone what to do but I got invited to a Gay Marriage
back in the 90's. I was against it too, still am. I went to the ceremony
though. I figure if two people think they love each other and want to
spend their lives together, who the f am I? And as far as the moral
dilema, I figure God can decide how to judge them later... I was good
friends with the guy and explained it to him just like that, he knew I
didn't agree with his lifestyle, but realized that I too am a sinner and
a Christian like him, and he didn't judge my sins...

Yup. Well, I love my niece, play golf with her, watched her graduate
from the Naval Academy, cheered
when she became a Naval Aviator, and have had her and her 'spouse' for
dinner several times.

But, I won't participate in a 'marriage' between gays. Just don't
believe in it. Call it something
else, and I might go. Maybe - 'unionage', 'conjugage', 'amalgation',
or make up another word. I
guess I'm just a 'bigoted asshole', along with being, according to
H&K, a racist asshole.


"Participate"? You mean, attend the ceremony? No one is asking you to
marry a gay. You're a small-minded, bigoted, racist asshole.

He may be a bit bigoted. We all are. But what makes him a small minded,
racist asshole?

What makes him small minded is his constant far right wing bull**** and
his stance that everything right is good and everything left is bad.

What makes him a racist is his racism. He's made disparaging remarks
here about Mexicans in his neighborhood, he's repeated Mexican jokes
here as well.

If the Mexicans on the corner trashed their yard, and I say, "The Mexicans on the corner trashed
their yard," is that 'racist'? If so, then I'm guilty as charged, 'cause they trashed their f'ing
yard! But, they have cleaned it up in the past year. So, that's a good thing.

Cite the 'Mexican jokes', if you please!



Yeah, it is racist. Why would you say "the Mexicans on the corner."? Why
not just say "the people on the corner"?

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:47:10 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/11/12 8:34 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:44:33 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,
says...

On 12/10/2012 9:15 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/10/12 9:02 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:07:55 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/9/2012 6:53 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/9/12 1:06 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 10:37:44 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:47:49 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 14:40:34 -0800, "Califbill"

wrote:

"Califbill" wrote in message
...


GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:55:36 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:03:07 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

This article sums it up pretty well. Of course, I didn't
write it, but
hopefully you'll get the
drift.

http://tinyurl.com/a3a6gfy

Sorry you're disappointed, but it's not the first time and
probably
won't be the last.

====

Judging from that article I'd have to say that the author, and
probably you, share some confusion about the difference between
values, religious beliefs and political beliefs. Sometimes
reasonable
people with high values have to agree to disagree. More
importantly,
it is inappropriate to try and impose your religious beliefs
on others
and then accuse them of lacking "values".

Other than, possibly, the first one, there is nothing
religious there. I
don't consider the first
one a religious position. 'Marriage' was an institution that
had some
meaning. Now liberals,
especially, have made it a sham. And, I agree that 'it is 'it is
inappropriate to try and impose
your religious beliefs on others', and that includes atheists
imposing
theirs. If you can't read
that and determine what 'values' are being discussed, then I can
understand your comments.

Religious beliefs are fine. Just do not force them on others,
but
likewise, others should not infringe your religious freedoms.
And marriage
has been different things through the years. Lots of the
profits in the
bible had multiple wives. In the 1800's you could marry
multiple spouses
in Texas, Alabama and another regions also. And not even have
to be
Mormon. Texas about we're married if you announced it in
front of 20
witness's or signed in to a hotel as Mr. And Mrs. No church
or state
involved. It is supposed to be a free country. You want to
marry same
sex? Go for it. Just do not require the rest of unto pay for
your
lifestyle. Same goes for most drugs, do them, die if that
happens, but do
not expect society to pay for your medical bills.


-----------------
dang Ipad and the spelling corrections.

You've referred several times to differences in the number of
wives. Not a
lot of instances in the
bible of male prophets marrying other males, goats, or
whatever. Ditto with
Texas, Alabama, and
other regions. I have a gay niece living with her girlfriend.
They will
probably invite me to a
'wedding' soon. I won't attend because I think the 'ceremony'
is a sham.


-----------------------------

It is supposed to be a free country. If you pay your taxes, do
not force
your views on someone else, and the partners are not children
and are in
agreement, then just let it be. Does not concern most of us,
except maybe
in your views, but their views are allowable also.

I agree. They were both here for a 'Thanksgiving' dinner the
week before Thanksgiving. No problem.
But, I won't attend their wedding - if and when it occurs.

You're just a bigoted asshole, Racist John.

If not believing in 'Gay Marriage' makes me a bigoted asshole,
then I reckon you're right, Kevin.



There are many reasons why you are a bigoted asshole.

If John is a bigoted asshole, he is a taxing paying bigoted asshole.


Don't want to tell anyone what to do but I got invited to a Gay Marriage
back in the 90's. I was against it too, still am. I went to the ceremony
though. I figure if two people think they love each other and want to
spend their lives together, who the f am I? And as far as the moral
dilema, I figure God can decide how to judge them later... I was good
friends with the guy and explained it to him just like that, he knew I
didn't agree with his lifestyle, but realized that I too am a sinner and
a Christian like him, and he didn't judge my sins...

Yup. Well, I love my niece, play golf with her, watched her graduate
from the Naval Academy, cheered
when she became a Naval Aviator, and have had her and her 'spouse' for
dinner several times.

But, I won't participate in a 'marriage' between gays. Just don't
believe in it. Call it something
else, and I might go. Maybe - 'unionage', 'conjugage', 'amalgation',
or make up another word. I
guess I'm just a 'bigoted asshole', along with being, according to
H&K, a racist asshole.


"Participate"? You mean, attend the ceremony? No one is asking you to
marry a gay. You're a small-minded, bigoted, racist asshole.

He may be a bit bigoted. We all are. But what makes him a small minded,
racist asshole?

What makes him small minded is his constant far right wing bull**** and
his stance that everything right is good and everything left is bad.

What makes him a racist is his racism. He's made disparaging remarks
here about Mexicans in his neighborhood, he's repeated Mexican jokes
here as well.

If the Mexicans on the corner trashed their yard, and I say, "The Mexicans on the corner trashed
their yard," is that 'racist'? If so, then I'm guilty as charged, 'cause they trashed their f'ing
yard! But, they have cleaned it up in the past year. So, that's a good thing.

Cite the 'Mexican jokes', if you please!



Yeah, it is racist. Why would you say "the Mexicans on the corner."? Why
not just say "the people on the corner"?


Because Mexicans have been moving into some of the houses in the neighborhood in numbers far
exceeding the capacity of the house, living in extremely unsanitary conditions, and making the
neighborhood look like crap with the trash in the yards and the cars parked in the yards. Actually,
this was a problem throughout the county, and finally the county decided to take some action - based
on zoning and health regulations.

Things are looking up now because the job market has caused many of them to leave the area. Some,
like the ones on the corner, have even cleaned up their yard.

On 12/11/12 11:00 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:47:10 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/11/12 8:34 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:44:33 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,
says...

On 12/10/2012 9:15 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/10/12 9:02 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:07:55 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/9/2012 6:53 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/9/12 1:06 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 10:37:44 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:47:49 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 14:40:34 -0800, "Califbill"

wrote:

"Califbill" wrote in message
...


GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:55:36 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:03:07 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

This article sums it up pretty well. Of course, I didn't
write it, but
hopefully you'll get the
drift.

http://tinyurl.com/a3a6gfy

Sorry you're disappointed, but it's not the first time and
probably
won't be the last.

====

Judging from that article I'd have to say that the author, and
probably you, share some confusion about the difference between
values, religious beliefs and political beliefs. Sometimes
reasonable
people with high values have to agree to disagree. More
importantly,
it is inappropriate to try and impose your religious beliefs
on others
and then accuse them of lacking "values".

Other than, possibly, the first one, there is nothing
religious there. I
don't consider the first
one a religious position. 'Marriage' was an institution that
had some
meaning. Now liberals,
especially, have made it a sham. And, I agree that 'it is 'it is
inappropriate to try and impose
your religious beliefs on others', and that includes atheists
imposing
theirs. If you can't read
that and determine what 'values' are being discussed, then I can
understand your comments.

Religious beliefs are fine. Just do not force them on others,
but
likewise, others should not infringe your religious freedoms.
And marriage
has been different things through the years. Lots of the
profits in the
bible had multiple wives. In the 1800's you could marry
multiple spouses
in Texas, Alabama and another regions also. And not even have
to be
Mormon. Texas about we're married if you announced it in
front of 20
witness's or signed in to a hotel as Mr. And Mrs. No church
or state
involved. It is supposed to be a free country. You want to
marry same
sex? Go for it. Just do not require the rest of unto pay for
your
lifestyle. Same goes for most drugs, do them, die if that
happens, but do
not expect society to pay for your medical bills.


-----------------
dang Ipad and the spelling corrections.

You've referred several times to differences in the number of
wives. Not a
lot of instances in the
bible of male prophets marrying other males, goats, or
whatever. Ditto with
Texas, Alabama, and
other regions. I have a gay niece living with her girlfriend.
They will
probably invite me to a
'wedding' soon. I won't attend because I think the 'ceremony'
is a sham.


-----------------------------

It is supposed to be a free country. If you pay your taxes, do
not force
your views on someone else, and the partners are not children
and are in
agreement, then just let it be. Does not concern most of us,
except maybe
in your views, but their views are allowable also.

I agree. They were both here for a 'Thanksgiving' dinner the
week before Thanksgiving. No problem.
But, I won't attend their wedding - if and when it occurs.

You're just a bigoted asshole, Racist John.

If not believing in 'Gay Marriage' makes me a bigoted asshole,
then I reckon you're right, Kevin.



There are many reasons why you are a bigoted asshole.

If John is a bigoted asshole, he is a taxing paying bigoted asshole.


Don't want to tell anyone what to do but I got invited to a Gay Marriage
back in the 90's. I was against it too, still am. I went to the ceremony
though. I figure if two people think they love each other and want to
spend their lives together, who the f am I? And as far as the moral
dilema, I figure God can decide how to judge them later... I was good
friends with the guy and explained it to him just like that, he knew I
didn't agree with his lifestyle, but realized that I too am a sinner and
a Christian like him, and he didn't judge my sins...

Yup. Well, I love my niece, play golf with her, watched her graduate
from the Naval Academy, cheered
when she became a Naval Aviator, and have had her and her 'spouse' for
dinner several times.

But, I won't participate in a 'marriage' between gays. Just don't
believe in it. Call it something
else, and I might go. Maybe - 'unionage', 'conjugage', 'amalgation',
or make up another word. I
guess I'm just a 'bigoted asshole', along with being, according to
H&K, a racist asshole.


"Participate"? You mean, attend the ceremony? No one is asking you to
marry a gay. You're a small-minded, bigoted, racist asshole.

He may be a bit bigoted. We all are. But what makes him a small minded,
racist asshole?

What makes him small minded is his constant far right wing bull**** and
his stance that everything right is good and everything left is bad.

What makes him a racist is his racism. He's made disparaging remarks
here about Mexicans in his neighborhood, he's repeated Mexican jokes
here as well.

If the Mexicans on the corner trashed their yard, and I say, "The Mexicans on the corner trashed
their yard," is that 'racist'? If so, then I'm guilty as charged, 'cause they trashed their f'ing
yard! But, they have cleaned it up in the past year. So, that's a good thing.

Cite the 'Mexican jokes', if you please!



Yeah, it is racist. Why would you say "the Mexicans on the corner."? Why
not just say "the people on the corner"?


Because Mexicans have been moving into some of the houses in the neighborhood in numbers far
exceeding the capacity of the house, living in extremely unsanitary conditions, and making the
neighborhood look like crap with the trash in the yards and the cars parked in the yards. Actually,
this was a problem throughout the county, and finally the county decided to take some action - based
on zoning and health regulations.

Things are looking up now because the job market has caused many of them to leave the area. Some,
like the ones on the corner, have even cleaned up their yard.



What does their being "Mexican" have to do with it? The same sort of
ugly comments you've made here about blacks and Mexicans ignorant
Americans like you have made about just about every ethnic group that
came here without much money. Does your making these comments make you
feel "superior" to these Mexicans? I'll bet all of them work a lot
harder than you ever have.

You're the real deal...an ugly American.

On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:18:07 AM UTC-5, ESAD wrote:

You're the real deal...an ugly American.


Nah, John's not an ugly American. Real deal ugly Americans don't pay their taxes.

You can't even put your name on the house you live in, deadbeat.

On 12/11/12 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:18:07 AM UTC-5, ESAD wrote:

You're the real deal...an ugly American.


Nah, John's not an ugly American. Real deal ugly Americans don't pay their taxes.

You can't even put your name on the house you live in, deadbeat.


Ahh, another of the hate-filled white racists crawls out of his casket.

In article ,
says...

On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:18:07 AM UTC-5, ESAD wrote:

You're the real deal...an ugly American.


Nah, John's not an ugly American. Real deal ugly Americans don't pay their taxes.

You can't even put your name on the house you live in, deadbeat.

Well, yes, there are lots of ugly Americans, bigots, racists, and tax
dodgers among them.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:47:10 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/11/12 8:34 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:44:33 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,
says...

On 12/10/2012 9:15 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/10/12 9:02 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:07:55 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/9/2012 6:53 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/9/12 1:06 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 10:37:44 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:47:49 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 14:40:34 -0800, "Califbill"

wrote:

"Califbill" wrote in message
...


GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:55:36 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:03:07 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

This article sums it up pretty well. Of course, I didn't
write it, but
hopefully you'll get the
drift.

http://tinyurl.com/a3a6gfy

Sorry you're disappointed, but it's not the first time and
probably
won't be the last.

====

Judging from that article I'd have to say that the author, and
probably you, share some confusion about the difference between
values, religious beliefs and political beliefs. Sometimes
reasonable
people with high values have to agree to disagree. More
importantly,
it is inappropriate to try and impose your religious beliefs
on others
and then accuse them of lacking "values".

Other than, possibly, the first one, there is nothing
religious there. I
don't consider the first
one a religious position. 'Marriage' was an institution that
had some
meaning. Now liberals,
especially, have made it a sham. And, I agree that 'it is 'it is
inappropriate to try and impose
your religious beliefs on others', and that includes atheists
imposing
theirs. If you can't read
that and determine what 'values' are being discussed, then I can
understand your comments.

Religious beliefs are fine. Just do not force them on others,
but
likewise, others should not infringe your religious freedoms.
And marriage
has been different things through the years. Lots of the
profits in the
bible had multiple wives. In the 1800's you could marry
multiple spouses
in Texas, Alabama and another regions also. And not even have
to be
Mormon. Texas about we're married if you announced it in
front of 20
witness's or signed in to a hotel as Mr. And Mrs. No church
or state
involved. It is supposed to be a free country. You want to
marry same
sex? Go for it. Just do not require the rest of unto pay for
your
lifestyle. Same goes for most drugs, do them, die if that
happens, but do
not expect society to pay for your medical bills.


-----------------
dang Ipad and the spelling corrections.

You've referred several times to differences in the number of
wives. Not a
lot of instances in the
bible of male prophets marrying other males, goats, or
whatever. Ditto with
Texas, Alabama, and
other regions. I have a gay niece living with her girlfriend.
They will
probably invite me to a
'wedding' soon. I won't attend because I think the 'ceremony'
is a sham.


-----------------------------

It is supposed to be a free country. If you pay your taxes, do
not force
your views on someone else, and the partners are not children
and are in
agreement, then just let it be. Does not concern most of us,
except maybe
in your views, but their views are allowable also.

I agree. They were both here for a 'Thanksgiving' dinner the
week before Thanksgiving. No problem.
But, I won't attend their wedding - if and when it occurs.

You're just a bigoted asshole, Racist John.

If not believing in 'Gay Marriage' makes me a bigoted asshole,
then I reckon you're right, Kevin.



There are many reasons why you are a bigoted asshole.

If John is a bigoted asshole, he is a taxing paying bigoted asshole.


Don't want to tell anyone what to do but I got invited to a Gay Marriage
back in the 90's. I was against it too, still am. I went to the ceremony
though. I figure if two people think they love each other and want to
spend their lives together, who the f am I? And as far as the moral
dilema, I figure God can decide how to judge them later... I was good
friends with the guy and explained it to him just like that, he knew I
didn't agree with his lifestyle, but realized that I too am a sinner and
a Christian like him, and he didn't judge my sins...

Yup. Well, I love my niece, play golf with her, watched her graduate
from the Naval Academy, cheered
when she became a Naval Aviator, and have had her and her 'spouse' for
dinner several times.

But, I won't participate in a 'marriage' between gays. Just don't
believe in it. Call it something
else, and I might go. Maybe - 'unionage', 'conjugage', 'amalgation',
or make up another word. I
guess I'm just a 'bigoted asshole', along with being, according to
H&K, a racist asshole.


"Participate"? You mean, attend the ceremony? No one is asking you to
marry a gay. You're a small-minded, bigoted, racist asshole.

He may be a bit bigoted. We all are. But what makes him a small minded,
racist asshole?

What makes him small minded is his constant far right wing bull**** and
his stance that everything right is good and everything left is bad.

What makes him a racist is his racism. He's made disparaging remarks
here about Mexicans in his neighborhood, he's repeated Mexican jokes
here as well.

If the Mexicans on the corner trashed their yard, and I say, "The Mexicans on the corner trashed
their yard," is that 'racist'? If so, then I'm guilty as charged, 'cause they trashed their f'ing
yard! But, they have cleaned it up in the past year. So, that's a good thing.

Cite the 'Mexican jokes', if you please!



Yeah, it is racist. Why would you say "the Mexicans on the corner."? Why
not just say "the people on the corner"?


Because Mexicans have been moving into some of the houses in the neighborhood in numbers far
exceeding the capacity of the house, living in extremely unsanitary conditions, and making the
neighborhood look like crap with the trash in the yards and the cars parked in the yards. Actually,
this was a problem throughout the county, and finally the county decided to take some action - based
on zoning and health regulations.

Things are looking up now because the job market has caused many of them to leave the area. Some,
like the ones on the corner, have even cleaned up their yard.

Only "Mexicans" trash houses, eh Racist John?

In article ,
says...

On 12/11/12 8:34 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:44:33 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,
says...

On 12/10/2012 9:15 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/10/12 9:02 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:07:55 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/9/2012 6:53 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/9/12 1:06 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 10:37:44 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:47:49 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 14:40:34 -0800, "Califbill"

wrote:

"Califbill" wrote in message
...


GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:55:36 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:03:07 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

This article sums it up pretty well. Of course, I didn't
write it, but
hopefully you'll get the
drift.

http://tinyurl.com/a3a6gfy

Sorry you're disappointed, but it's not the first time and
probably
won't be the last.

====

Judging from that article I'd have to say that the author, and
probably you, share some confusion about the difference between
values, religious beliefs and political beliefs. Sometimes
reasonable
people with high values have to agree to disagree. More
importantly,
it is inappropriate to try and impose your religious beliefs
on others
and then accuse them of lacking "values".

Other than, possibly, the first one, there is nothing
religious there. I
don't consider the first
one a religious position. 'Marriage' was an institution that
had some
meaning. Now liberals,
especially, have made it a sham. And, I agree that 'it is 'it is
inappropriate to try and impose
your religious beliefs on others', and that includes atheists
imposing
theirs. If you can't read
that and determine what 'values' are being discussed, then I can
understand your comments.

Religious beliefs are fine. Just do not force them on others,
but
likewise, others should not infringe your religious freedoms.
And marriage
has been different things through the years. Lots of the
profits in the
bible had multiple wives. In the 1800's you could marry
multiple spouses
in Texas, Alabama and another regions also. And not even have
to be
Mormon. Texas about we're married if you announced it in
front of 20
witness's or signed in to a hotel as Mr. And Mrs. No church
or state
involved. It is supposed to be a free country. You want to
marry same
sex? Go for it. Just do not require the rest of unto pay for
your
lifestyle. Same goes for most drugs, do them, die if that
happens, but do
not expect society to pay for your medical bills.


-----------------
dang Ipad and the spelling corrections.

You've referred several times to differences in the number of
wives. Not a
lot of instances in the
bible of male prophets marrying other males, goats, or
whatever. Ditto with
Texas, Alabama, and
other regions. I have a gay niece living with her girlfriend.
They will
probably invite me to a
'wedding' soon. I won't attend because I think the 'ceremony'
is a sham.


-----------------------------

It is supposed to be a free country. If you pay your taxes, do
not force
your views on someone else, and the partners are not children
and are in
agreement, then just let it be. Does not concern most of us,
except maybe
in your views, but their views are allowable also.

I agree. They were both here for a 'Thanksgiving' dinner the
week before Thanksgiving. No problem.
But, I won't attend their wedding - if and when it occurs.

You're just a bigoted asshole, Racist John.

If not believing in 'Gay Marriage' makes me a bigoted asshole,
then I reckon you're right, Kevin.



There are many reasons why you are a bigoted asshole.

If John is a bigoted asshole, he is a taxing paying bigoted asshole.


Don't want to tell anyone what to do but I got invited to a Gay Marriage
back in the 90's. I was against it too, still am. I went to the ceremony
though. I figure if two people think they love each other and want to
spend their lives together, who the f am I? And as far as the moral
dilema, I figure God can decide how to judge them later... I was good
friends with the guy and explained it to him just like that, he knew I
didn't agree with his lifestyle, but realized that I too am a sinner and
a Christian like him, and he didn't judge my sins...

Yup. Well, I love my niece, play golf with her, watched her graduate
from the Naval Academy, cheered
when she became a Naval Aviator, and have had her and her 'spouse' for
dinner several times.

But, I won't participate in a 'marriage' between gays. Just don't
believe in it. Call it something
else, and I might go. Maybe - 'unionage', 'conjugage', 'amalgation',
or make up another word. I
guess I'm just a 'bigoted asshole', along with being, according to
H&K, a racist asshole.


"Participate"? You mean, attend the ceremony? No one is asking you to
marry a gay. You're a small-minded, bigoted, racist asshole.

He may be a bit bigoted. We all are. But what makes him a small minded,
racist asshole?

What makes him small minded is his constant far right wing bull**** and
his stance that everything right is good and everything left is bad.

What makes him a racist is his racism. He's made disparaging remarks
here about Mexicans in his neighborhood, he's repeated Mexican jokes
here as well.

If the Mexicans on the corner trashed their yard, and I say, "The Mexicans on the corner trashed
their yard," is that 'racist'? If so, then I'm guilty as charged, 'cause they trashed their f'ing
yard! But, they have cleaned it up in the past year. So, that's a good thing.

Cite the 'Mexican jokes', if you please!



Yeah, it is racist. Why would you say "the Mexicans on the corner."? Why
not just say "the people on the corner"?

Why do you regal us with stories of your Korean dentist? Let's not
forget the Black Muslims who are dressed well.

On 12/11/2012 8:01 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/11/12 8:34 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:44:33 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,
says...

On 12/10/2012 9:15 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/10/12 9:02 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:07:55 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/9/2012 6:53 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/9/12 1:06 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 10:37:44 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:47:49 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 14:40:34 -0800, "Califbill"

wrote:

"Califbill" wrote in message
...


GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:55:36 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:03:07 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

This article sums it up pretty well. Of course, I didn't
write it, but
hopefully you'll get the
drift.

http://tinyurl.com/a3a6gfy

Sorry you're disappointed, but it's not the first time and
probably
won't be the last.

====

Judging from that article I'd have to say that the author, and
probably you, share some confusion about the difference between
values, religious beliefs and political beliefs. Sometimes
reasonable
people with high values have to agree to disagree. More
importantly,
it is inappropriate to try and impose your religious beliefs
on others
and then accuse them of lacking "values".

Other than, possibly, the first one, there is nothing
religious there. I
don't consider the first
one a religious position. 'Marriage' was an institution that
had some
meaning. Now liberals,
especially, have made it a sham. And, I agree that 'it is 'it is
inappropriate to try and impose
your religious beliefs on others', and that includes atheists
imposing
theirs. If you can't read
that and determine what 'values' are being discussed, then I can
understand your comments.

Religious beliefs are fine. Just do not force them on others,
but
likewise, others should not infringe your religious freedoms.
And marriage
has been different things through the years. Lots of the
profits in the
bible had multiple wives. In the 1800's you could marry
multiple spouses
in Texas, Alabama and another regions also. And not even have
to be
Mormon. Texas about we're married if you announced it in
front of 20
witness's or signed in to a hotel as Mr. And Mrs. No church
or state
involved. It is supposed to be a free country. You want to
marry same
sex? Go for it. Just do not require the rest of unto pay for
your
lifestyle. Same goes for most drugs, do them, die if that
happens, but do
not expect society to pay for your medical bills.


-----------------
dang Ipad and the spelling corrections.

You've referred several times to differences in the number of
wives. Not a
lot of instances in the
bible of male prophets marrying other males, goats, or
whatever. Ditto with
Texas, Alabama, and
other regions. I have a gay niece living with her girlfriend.
They will
probably invite me to a
'wedding' soon. I won't attend because I think the 'ceremony'
is a sham.


-----------------------------

It is supposed to be a free country. If you pay your taxes, do
not force
your views on someone else, and the partners are not children
and are in
agreement, then just let it be. Does not concern most of us,
except maybe
in your views, but their views are allowable also.

I agree. They were both here for a 'Thanksgiving' dinner the
week before Thanksgiving. No problem.
But, I won't attend their wedding - if and when it occurs.

You're just a bigoted asshole, Racist John.

If not believing in 'Gay Marriage' makes me a bigoted asshole,
then I reckon you're right, Kevin.



There are many reasons why you are a bigoted asshole.

If John is a bigoted asshole, he is a taxing paying bigoted asshole.


Don't want to tell anyone what to do but I got invited to a Gay Marriage
back in the 90's. I was against it too, still am. I went to the ceremony
though. I figure if two people think they love each other and want to
spend their lives together, who the f am I? And as far as the moral
dilema, I figure God can decide how to judge them later... I was good
friends with the guy and explained it to him just like that, he knew I
didn't agree with his lifestyle, but realized that I too am a sinner and
a Christian like him, and he didn't judge my sins...

Yup. Well, I love my niece, play golf with her, watched her graduate
from the Naval Academy, cheered
when she became a Naval Aviator, and have had her and her 'spouse' for
dinner several times.

But, I won't participate in a 'marriage' between gays. Just don't
believe in it. Call it something
else, and I might go. Maybe - 'unionage', 'conjugage', 'amalgation',
or make up another word. I
guess I'm just a 'bigoted asshole', along with being, according to
H&K, a racist asshole.


"Participate"? You mean, attend the ceremony? No one is asking you to
marry a gay. You're a small-minded, bigoted, racist asshole.

He may be a bit bigoted. We all are. But what makes him a small minded,
racist asshole?

What makes him small minded is his constant far right wing bull**** and
his stance that everything right is good and everything left is bad.

What makes him a racist is his racism. He's made disparaging remarks
here about Mexicans in his neighborhood, he's repeated Mexican jokes
here as well.

If the Mexicans on the corner trashed their yard, and I say, "The Mexicans on the corner trashed
their yard," is that 'racist'? If so, then I'm guilty as charged, 'cause they trashed their f'ing
yard! But, they have cleaned it up in the past year. So, that's a good thing.

Cite the 'Mexican jokes', if you please!



Yeah, it is racist. Why would you say "the Mexicans on the corner."? Why
not just say "the people on the corner"?

Why do you regal us with stories of your Korean dentist? Let's not
forget the Black Muslims who are dressed well.


Harry thinks Mexican is a race.