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On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:17:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

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On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 14:47:07 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

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Google ZEV

ZEV's can be anything. I said there are no government requirements to
produce electric cars. If there is, show me.

I suppose you could be talking about a bike or a skate board but what
other ZEVs are there? Don't even start about the compressed air car
until you can show me where to buy one. You still have the problem of
how you compress the air.

Once again, you deflect from your stance that there is, indeed,
"government requirements to produce electric cars". That is false.

Is California a government? Well you may have me there.
Assuming it is, they are requiring that a certain number of cars be
ZEVs and electric is the only game in town.

California has absolutely NO "requirement to produce electric cars".

No this is just what you are going to be able to register. (assuming
ZEV survives a court challenge)

Nobody forces anyone to make emission control devices but you can't
sell a new car without them. (another California law that went
nationwide)

But, it was YOU that said there were "government requirements to produce
electric cars". That is false. Also, there is no state requirement in
the ZEV program that says you can't register old technology cars. Hell,
as one of the strictest emmissions states, you can get a '60 VW beetle
registered. I know this as fact.

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:17:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:



Again, there is NO "government requirement to produce electric cars".

There is an $8000 subsidy to buy one and at least one state that will
require your car to be ZEV to register it so this is a distinction
without a difference.

Bull****. In CA you can get '60's vintage cars registered that surely
don't meet there strict emissions regulations. Show me where in any
state you'll only be able to register an ZEV vehicle. Show me.

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iBoaterer wrote:
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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JustWait wrote:
On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.


Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home
should
be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these
middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the
cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan!

Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it.


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It has lots to do with it in this case.

No, it doesn't.
How much energy are those solar panels going to save? Consider the energy
to make a small home system. Cheaper to buy the electricity, and may even
be more energy efficient.

It's a net zero home, fool. You do know what that means, don't you?

How much energy was expended to generate the "net zero"?

You are babbling like Scotty now.....

Well how much energy did it take to make the solar panel and controls?
Will that amount of energy be recovered over the life of the panels? You
are the babbling and grasping at straws.

How much energy does it cost to build a coal fired plant? A nuclear
plant?

A lot, but per customer a heck of a lot less than a home solar panel. If
it was a financially viable solution, utilities would be building lots of
solar plants, and you would not need a 25% tax credit to install them.

Cite?

You research the contrarian view and cite that. Not up to me to do your
research.

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:17:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:



Again, there is NO "government requirement to produce electric cars".

There is an $8000 subsidy to buy one and at least one state that will
require your car to be ZEV to register it so this is a distinction
without a difference.

Bull****. In CA you can get '60's vintage cars registered that surely
don't meet there strict emissions regulations. Show me where in any
state you'll only be able to register an ZEV vehicle. Show me.

You are an idiot.

BAR wrote:
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:17:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:



Again, there is NO "government requirement to produce electric cars".

There is an $8000 subsidy to buy one and at least one state that will
require your car to be ZEV to register it so this is a distinction
without a difference.

Bull****. In CA you can get '60's vintage cars registered that surely
don't meet there strict emissions regulations. Show me where in any
state you'll only be able to register an ZEV vehicle. Show me.

You are an idiot.

True you can register that 60's car. You have to register it. If you have
an unregistered car on your property, they can come and confiscate said
vehicle. May be a $500k classic, but they will take it and crush it.
Older cars, before smog controls are exempt from same. The state under
dictator Brown, has passed mpg rules, where a manufacturer will have to
sell lots of ZEV to be able to sell cars people want and need. So those
people buying a larger vehicle will be subsidizing those who buy a ZEV.

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says...

On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 13:10:37 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:17:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 14:47:07 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

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says...

Google ZEV

ZEV's can be anything. I said there are no government requirements to
produce electric cars. If there is, show me.

I suppose you could be talking about a bike or a skate board but what
other ZEVs are there? Don't even start about the compressed air car
until you can show me where to buy one. You still have the problem of
how you compress the air.

Once again, you deflect from your stance that there is, indeed,
"government requirements to produce electric cars". That is false.

Is California a government? Well you may have me there.
Assuming it is, they are requiring that a certain number of cars be
ZEVs and electric is the only game in town.

California has absolutely NO "requirement to produce electric cars".

No this is just what you are going to be able to register. (assuming
ZEV survives a court challenge)

Nobody forces anyone to make emission control devices but you can't
sell a new car without them. (another California law that went
nationwide)

But, it was YOU that said there were "government requirements to produce
electric cars". That is false. Also, there is no state requirement in
the ZEV program that says you can't register old technology cars. Hell,
as one of the strictest emmissions states, you can get a '60 VW beetle
registered. I know this as fact.

I am not the one who said the government REQURES manufactures to make
electric cars (that was someone else) but they certainly induce them
to do it with regulation and bribes.

You agreed with the statement.

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iBoaterer wrote:
In article 125732330376450258.964136bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 615113602376355095.324642bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 107555478376348352.875653bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 185336218376284656.888165bmckeenospam-
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iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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JustWait wrote:
On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.


Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home
should
be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these
middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the
cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan!

Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it.


--------------------------

It has lots to do with it in this case.

No, it doesn't.
How much energy are those solar panels going to save? Consider the energy
to make a small home system. Cheaper to buy the electricity, and may even
be more energy efficient.

It's a net zero home, fool. You do know what that means, don't you?

How much energy was expended to generate the "net zero"?

You are babbling like Scotty now.....

Well how much energy did it take to make the solar panel and controls?
Will that amount of energy be recovered over the life of the panels? You
are the babbling and grasping at straws.

How much energy does it cost to build a coal fired plant? A nuclear
plant?

A lot, but per customer a heck of a lot less than a home solar panel. If
it was a financially viable solution, utilities would be building lots of
solar plants, and you would not need a 25% tax credit to install them.

Cite?

You research the contrarian view and cite that. Not up to me to do your
research.

As expected.

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:17:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:



Again, there is NO "government requirement to produce electric cars".

There is an $8000 subsidy to buy one and at least one state that will
require your car to be ZEV to register it so this is a distinction
without a difference.

Bull****. In CA you can get '60's vintage cars registered that surely
don't meet there strict emissions regulations. Show me where in any
state you'll only be able to register an ZEV vehicle. Show me.

You are an idiot.

Do tell then, what did he mean by "at least one state that will REQUIRE
your car to be ZEV to register"???

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BAR wrote:
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says...

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:17:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:



Again, there is NO "government requirement to produce electric cars".

There is an $8000 subsidy to buy one and at least one state that will
require your car to be ZEV to register it so this is a distinction
without a difference.

Bull****. In CA you can get '60's vintage cars registered that surely
don't meet there strict emissions regulations. Show me where in any
state you'll only be able to register an ZEV vehicle. Show me.

You are an idiot.

True you can register that 60's car. You have to register it. If you have
an unregistered car on your property, they can come and confiscate said
vehicle. May be a $500k classic, but they will take it and crush it.
Older cars, before smog controls are exempt from same. The state under
dictator Brown, has passed mpg rules, where a manufacturer will have to
sell lots of ZEV to be able to sell cars people want and need. So those
people buying a larger vehicle will be subsidizing those who buy a ZEV.

But Greg said that cars will be REQUIRED to be ZEV's to be registered,
that is bull****.

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:17:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:



Again, there is NO "government requirement to produce electric cars".

There is an $8000 subsidy to buy one and at least one state that will
require your car to be ZEV to register it so this is a distinction
without a difference.

Bull****. In CA you can get '60's vintage cars registered that surely
don't meet there strict emissions regulations. Show me where in any
state you'll only be able to register an ZEV vehicle. Show me.

You are an idiot.

True you can register that 60's car. You have to register it. If you
have
an unregistered car on your property, they can come and confiscate said
vehicle. May be a $500k classic, but they will take it and crush it.
Older cars, before smog controls are exempt from same. The state under
dictator Brown, has passed mpg rules, where a manufacturer will have to
sell lots of ZEV to be able to sell cars people want and need. So those
people buying a larger vehicle will be subsidizing those who buy a ZEV.

But Greg said that cars will be REQUIRED to be ZEV's to be registered,
that is bull****.


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Less semantic error than 99% of your writings.