On 11/25/2012 12:11 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:20:08 -0600, amdx wrote:

FWIW, I consider FICA, a forced deposit into a retirement plan, not a tax.

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It's actually more of a tax at this point since the money is not set
aside like it would be in an actual retirement plan.

But it's backed by the full faith and credit of the United States
Government which should be better than any insurance company or
financial institution. Do you have doubts?
Mikek

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says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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Everybody pays taxes, dip****.

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Anyone happen to catch any of "The History Channel's" series on "The
Men who Built America"?

Very interesting stories that shows that we've been through all this
before. Concerns of the rich getting richer and a shrinking middle
class prevailed in the minds of everyone, exactly like the comments
and concerns expressed today.

Characters like Andrew Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, Henry Ford, John D.
Rockerfeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt and others built empires and
personal wealth beyond anyone's wildest imagination. The were
competitive, ruthless and despised by most for being so successful,
wealthy and profitable, to the point where Congress broke up
Rockerfeller's "Standard Oil" only to spawn several new monster
companies that included Exon and Mobile that combined to become even
greater.

These men created America's "Industrial Revolution" and generated
millions upon millions of new jobs that established America's strong
and healthy middle class and the United States became the world's
leading manufacturing country with a standard of living for everyone
that was the envy of the world. The government did not create these
jobs. The entrepreneurial ideas and money of these then hated
people did.

Ironically, they also became the world's greatest philanthropists in
their later years as well.

Interesting stories, especially for those who think big business is
all bad and the government should be in charge of creating jobs and/or
being the great provider.

Yes, and that series was very interesting! THEY, not the government ran
the country. They told the government what to do.

On 11/25/2012 8:53 AM, Eisboch wrote:

Interesting stories, especially for those who think big business is all
bad and the government should be in charge of creating jobs and/or being
the great provider.

Gross exaggeration undermines credibility.

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...


Everybody pays taxes, dip****.

----------------------------------------------------------

Anyone happen to catch any of "The History Channel's" series on
"The
Men who Built America"?

Very interesting stories that shows that we've been through all this
before. Concerns of the rich getting richer and a shrinking middle
class prevailed in the minds of everyone, exactly like the comments
and concerns expressed today.

Characters like Andrew Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, Henry Ford, John D.
Rockerfeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt and others built empires and
personal wealth beyond anyone's wildest imagination. The were
competitive, ruthless and despised by most for being so successful,
wealthy and profitable, to the point where Congress broke up
Rockerfeller's "Standard Oil" only to spawn several new monster
companies that included Exon and Mobile that combined to become even
greater.

These men created America's "Industrial Revolution" and generated
millions upon millions of new jobs that established America's strong
and healthy middle class and the United States became the world's
leading manufacturing country with a standard of living for everyone
that was the envy of the world. The government did not create these
jobs. The entrepreneurial ideas and money of these then hated
people did.

Ironically, they also became the world's greatest philanthropists
in
their later years as well.

Interesting stories, especially for those who think big business is
all bad and the government should be in charge of creating jobs
and/or
being the great provider.

Yes, and that series was very interesting! THEY, not the government
ran
the country. They told the government what to do.

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People are responsible for government.

"... and that government of the people, by the people, for the people,
shall not perish from the earth."

- Abraham Lincoln (Gettysburg Address)

"thumper" wrote in message ...

On 11/25/2012 8:53 AM, Eisboch wrote:

Interesting stories, especially for those who think big business is
all
bad and the government should be in charge of creating jobs and/or
being
the great provider.

Gross exaggeration undermines credibility.

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Nope. History.

In article , lid says...

On 11/25/2012 8:53 AM, Eisboch wrote:

Interesting stories, especially for those who think big business is all
bad and the government should be in charge of creating jobs and/or being
the great provider.

Gross exaggeration undermines credibility.

Enterprise built the USA, not wealth re-distribution.

On 11/25/2012 4:11 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"thumper" wrote in message ...

On 11/25/2012 8:53 AM, Eisboch wrote:

Interesting stories, especially for those who think big business is all
bad and the government should be in charge of creating jobs and/or being
the great provider.

Gross exaggeration undermines credibility.

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Nope. History.

I wasn't clear. I didn't mean the stories were exaggerated but the
implication that there are (significant numbers of) people "who think
business is all bad..." I'm quite liberal yet think nothing of the sort
and don't know anyone who does. It's a straw-man.

On 11/25/2012 7:10 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...


Everybody pays taxes, dip****.

----------------------------------------------------------

Anyone happen to catch any of "The History Channel's" series on "The
Men who Built America"?

Very interesting stories that shows that we've been through all this
before. Concerns of the rich getting richer and a shrinking middle
class prevailed in the minds of everyone, exactly like the comments
and concerns expressed today.

Characters like Andrew Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, Henry Ford, John D.
Rockerfeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt and others built empires and
personal wealth beyond anyone's wildest imagination. The were
competitive, ruthless and despised by most for being so successful,
wealthy and profitable, to the point where Congress broke up
Rockerfeller's "Standard Oil" only to spawn several new monster
companies that included Exon and Mobile that combined to become even
greater.

These men created America's "Industrial Revolution" and generated
millions upon millions of new jobs that established America's strong
and healthy middle class and the United States became the world's
leading manufacturing country with a standard of living for everyone
that was the envy of the world. The government did not create these
jobs. The entrepreneurial ideas and money of these then hated
people did.

Ironically, they also became the world's greatest philanthropists in
their later years as well.

Interesting stories, especially for those who think big business is
all bad and the government should be in charge of creating jobs and/or
being the great provider.

Yes, and that series was very interesting! THEY, not the government ran
the country. They told the government what to do.

-------------------------------------------------

People are responsible for government.

"... and that government of the people, by the people, for the people,
shall not perish from the earth."

- Abraham Lincoln (Gettysburg Address)

Old Abe be rollin over in his grave.

In article om,
says...

On 11/25/2012 7:10 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...


Everybody pays taxes, dip****.

----------------------------------------------------------

Anyone happen to catch any of "The History Channel's" series on "The
Men who Built America"?

Very interesting stories that shows that we've been through all this
before. Concerns of the rich getting richer and a shrinking middle
class prevailed in the minds of everyone, exactly like the comments
and concerns expressed today.

Characters like Andrew Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, Henry Ford, John D.
Rockerfeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt and others built empires and
personal wealth beyond anyone's wildest imagination. The were
competitive, ruthless and despised by most for being so successful,
wealthy and profitable, to the point where Congress broke up
Rockerfeller's "Standard Oil" only to spawn several new monster
companies that included Exon and Mobile that combined to become even
greater.

These men created America's "Industrial Revolution" and generated
millions upon millions of new jobs that established America's strong
and healthy middle class and the United States became the world's
leading manufacturing country with a standard of living for everyone
that was the envy of the world. The government did not create these
jobs. The entrepreneurial ideas and money of these then hated
people did.

Ironically, they also became the world's greatest philanthropists in
their later years as well.

Interesting stories, especially for those who think big business is
all bad and the government should be in charge of creating jobs and/or
being the great provider.

Yes, and that series was very interesting! THEY, not the government ran
the country. They told the government what to do.

-------------------------------------------------

People are responsible for government.

"... and that government of the people, by the people, for the people,
shall not perish from the earth."

- Abraham Lincoln (Gettysburg Address)

Old Abe be rollin over in his grave.

Why, did we perish from the earth?

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:54:57 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

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says...

On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:57:30 -0800 (PST), "*e#c" wrote:


The expression get to is not contracted to *gotta*.

NOW DON'T YOU FEEL PRETTY STUPID!!!

Not at all. You didn't have an original thought, it was cut and paste.
Everyone except Meyer can do that.

You think your buddy would have believed me if I'd corrected him myself? Like you, Kevin, he'd
probably have asked for a 'cite'.

Now don't you feel quite stupid?