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In article ,
says... On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:58:13 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:54:50 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/b7433wh Time will tell, This isn't the first great idea I have seen that didn't pan out. Solyndra failed because they were trying to sell a high priced panel that was technically better but could not sell into the competition of a low tech panel from China for a quarter the price Good old Yankee ingenuity. Eventually, we'll figure out how to do it. I'm 150% in favor of anything that will impoverish the Arabs and the Chinese. ANWR, Virginia Coast, Gulf of Mexico, California Coast. There are lots of things we can do to reduce our dependence upon foreign oil. The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not practicable. |
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote:
The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not practicable. === Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible. |
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:42:35 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote: The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not practicable. === Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible. Our problem is that we use fossil fuel all of our packaging and it is critical to manufacturing. It doesn't matter, sooner or later, there will be no fossil fuel available at any price. You'll have to switch to some sort of bio-based packaging.. P.S.. The difference between living cells and thermally cracked ones(fossil fuels) is not that much of difference. (Need extra energy inputs to grow, collect bio-matter, and then crack them via pyrolysis. ). Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. |
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On 11/5/2012 11:35 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:42:35 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote: The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not practicable. === Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible. Our problem is that we use fossil fuel all of our packaging and it is critical to manufacturing. It doesn't matter, sooner or later, there will be no fossil fuel available at any price. You'll have to switch to some sort of bio-based packaging.. P.S.. The difference between living cells and thermally cracked ones(fossil fuels) is not that much of difference. (Need extra energy inputs to grow, collect bio-matter, and then crack them via pyrolysis. ). Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. You can't explain science to people who get all of their information from FOX..... I rarely catch Fox news. Go ahead and explain science to me, nimrod. |
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On 11/5/2012 11:33 AM, T. Keating wrote:
On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:42:35 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote: The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not practicable. === Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible. Our problem is that we use fossil fuel all of our packaging and it is critical to manufacturing. It doesn't matter, sooner or later, there will be no fossil fuel available at any price. You'll have to switch to some sort of bio-based packaging.. P.S.. The difference between living cells and thermally cracked ones(fossil fuels) is not that much of difference. (Need extra energy inputs to grow, collect bio-matter, and then crack them via pyrolysis. ). Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. Wow! Glad we have an expert here to clear all that up for us.. You had me till the expectation that we are gonna' sit around and wait for that to happen, just because we are sick of using "green" as an excuse to bankroll unions and DNC supporters... |
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On 11/5/2012 1:25 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om, says... On 11/5/2012 11:35 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:42:35 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote: The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not practicable. === Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible. Our problem is that we use fossil fuel all of our packaging and it is critical to manufacturing. It doesn't matter, sooner or later, there will be no fossil fuel available at any price. You'll have to switch to some sort of bio-based packaging.. P.S.. The difference between living cells and thermally cracked ones(fossil fuels) is not that much of difference. (Need extra energy inputs to grow, collect bio-matter, and then crack them via pyrolysis. ). Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. You can't explain science to people who get all of their information from FOX..... I rarely catch Fox news. Go ahead and explain science to me, nimrod. The 6th extinction follows the 5th. Also, as I've tried to tell the hard core right wingers here (and they don't get it) fossil fuel is a finite resource. As suspected. You can't explain what science is. |
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On 11/5/2012 1:27 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:33:59 -0500, T. Keating wrote: Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. That is exactly what needs to happen if you really want to cut CO2 levels. CO2 tracks population growth as closely as any other metric. If you want to get back to 1940 CO2 levels, you need to scrub about 5 billion people off the population. I imagine the upcoming thermonuclear war will do it. What thermonuclear war is that? The upcoming one, dummy. |
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In article om,
says... On 11/5/2012 11:35 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:42:35 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote: The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not practicable. === Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible. Our problem is that we use fossil fuel all of our packaging and it is critical to manufacturing. It doesn't matter, sooner or later, there will be no fossil fuel available at any price. You'll have to switch to some sort of bio-based packaging.. P.S.. The difference between living cells and thermally cracked ones(fossil fuels) is not that much of difference. (Need extra energy inputs to grow, collect bio-matter, and then crack them via pyrolysis. ). Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. You can't explain science to people who get all of their information from FOX..... I rarely catch Fox news. Go ahead and explain science to me, nimrod. The 6th extinction follows the 5th. Also, as I've tried to tell the hard core right wingers here (and they don't get it) fossil fuel is a finite resource. |
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In article , says...
On 11/5/2012 11:33 AM, T. Keating wrote: On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:42:35 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote: The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not practicable. === Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible. Our problem is that we use fossil fuel all of our packaging and it is critical to manufacturing. It doesn't matter, sooner or later, there will be no fossil fuel available at any price. You'll have to switch to some sort of bio-based packaging.. P.S.. The difference between living cells and thermally cracked ones(fossil fuels) is not that much of difference. (Need extra energy inputs to grow, collect bio-matter, and then crack them via pyrolysis. ). Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. Wow! Glad we have an expert here to clear all that up for us.. You had me till the expectation that we are gonna' sit around and wait for that to happen, just because we are sick of using "green" as an excuse to bankroll unions and DNC supporters... Damn you are stupid...... |
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In article om,
says... On 11/5/2012 12:21 PM, wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:33:59 -0500, T. Keating wrote: Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. That is exactly what needs to happen if you really want to cut CO2 levels. CO2 tracks population growth as closely as any other metric. If you want to get back to 1940 CO2 levels, you need to scrub about 5 billion people off the population. I imagine the upcoming thermonuclear war will do it. An alternative would be to encourage people to stop exhaling. Did FOX tell you to blurt that stupid ****? |
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On 11/5/2012 1:56 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om, says... On 11/5/2012 1:25 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 11/5/2012 11:35 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:42:35 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote: The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not practicable. === Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible. Our problem is that we use fossil fuel all of our packaging and it is critical to manufacturing. It doesn't matter, sooner or later, there will be no fossil fuel available at any price. You'll have to switch to some sort of bio-based packaging.. P.S.. The difference between living cells and thermally cracked ones(fossil fuels) is not that much of difference. (Need extra energy inputs to grow, collect bio-matter, and then crack them via pyrolysis. ). Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. You can't explain science to people who get all of their information from FOX..... I rarely catch Fox news. Go ahead and explain science to me, nimrod. The 6th extinction follows the 5th. Also, as I've tried to tell the hard core right wingers here (and they don't get it) fossil fuel is a finite resource. As suspected. You can't explain what science is. Oh, I didn't realize that you didn't know what "science" as a whole is. Okay, so science is the the knowledge of dealing with facts in a systematic arrangement showing the operation of the laws of the physical or material world. Thanks for sharing. |
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On 11/5/2012 12:41 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 11/5/2012 1:25 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 11/5/2012 11:35 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:42:35 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote: The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not practicable. === Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible. Our problem is that we use fossil fuel all of our packaging and it is critical to manufacturing. It doesn't matter, sooner or later, there will be no fossil fuel available at any price. You'll have to switch to some sort of bio-based packaging.. P.S.. The difference between living cells and thermally cracked ones(fossil fuels) is not that much of difference. (Need extra energy inputs to grow, collect bio-matter, and then crack them via pyrolysis. ). Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. You can't explain science to people who get all of their information from FOX..... I rarely catch Fox news. Go ahead and explain science to me, nimrod. The 6th extinction follows the 5th. Also, as I've tried to tell the hard core right wingers here (and they don't get it) fossil fuel is a finite resource. As suspected. You can't explain what science is. And totally wasting our time with the suggestion that we don't know that the supply of fossil fuel is finite... It's just dopey, and he's only doing it as a distraction... |
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In article om,
says... On 11/5/2012 1:25 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 11/5/2012 11:35 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:42:35 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote: The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not practicable. === Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible. Our problem is that we use fossil fuel all of our packaging and it is critical to manufacturing. It doesn't matter, sooner or later, there will be no fossil fuel available at any price. You'll have to switch to some sort of bio-based packaging.. P.S.. The difference between living cells and thermally cracked ones(fossil fuels) is not that much of difference. (Need extra energy inputs to grow, collect bio-matter, and then crack them via pyrolysis. ). Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. You can't explain science to people who get all of their information from FOX..... I rarely catch Fox news. Go ahead and explain science to me, nimrod. The 6th extinction follows the 5th. Also, as I've tried to tell the hard core right wingers here (and they don't get it) fossil fuel is a finite resource. As suspected. You can't explain what science is. Oh, I didn't realize that you didn't know what "science" as a whole is. Okay, so science is the the knowledge of dealing with facts in a systematic arrangement showing the operation of the laws of the physical or material world. |
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On 11/5/2012 1:46 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:27:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:33:59 -0500, T. Keating wrote: Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. That is exactly what needs to happen if you really want to cut CO2 levels. CO2 tracks population growth as closely as any other metric. If you want to get back to 1940 CO2 levels, you need to scrub about 5 billion people off the population. I imagine the upcoming thermonuclear war will do it. What thermonuclear war is that? The one that starts in Israel and expands until nobody is still able to shoot anymore. So, but "starting in Israel" you mean they will be the first ones turned to ashes by some Arab dickhead? Right? |
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On 11/5/2012 7:53 PM, BAR wrote:
Or that big rock heading towrds Earth in 16 years will make it a moot point. Um, wanna' fill us all in??? |
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On 11/6/2012 8:30 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:59:16 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 11/5/2012 1:46 PM, wrote: What thermonuclear war is that? The one that starts in Israel and expands until nobody is still able to shoot anymore. So, but "starting in Israel" you mean they will be the first ones turned to ashes by some Arab dickhead? Right? ... or that one of those towel heads pop a dirty bomb/failed nuclear device in Israel and they over react. Once the bombs start flying, it may be hard to stop tho, particularly if a US president thinks we need to do something. If something actually happened here we would be blowing the hell out of somebody and then it starts depending on who gets the fallout and what they do about it. Of course a true global financial collapse (not the little correction we had 4 years ago) could actually bring on a super power war. And when is this going to happen? The way things are going, pretty soon. |
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In article ,
says... On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:59:16 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 11/5/2012 1:46 PM, wrote: What thermonuclear war is that? The one that starts in Israel and expands until nobody is still able to shoot anymore. So, but "starting in Israel" you mean they will be the first ones turned to ashes by some Arab dickhead? Right? ... or that one of those towel heads pop a dirty bomb/failed nuclear device in Israel and they over react. Once the bombs start flying, it may be hard to stop tho, particularly if a US president thinks we need to do something. If something actually happened here we would be blowing the hell out of somebody and then it starts depending on who gets the fallout and what they do about it. Of course a true global financial collapse (not the little correction we had 4 years ago) could actually bring on a super power war. And when is this going to happen? |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:42:35 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote: The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not practicable. === Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible. Our problem is that we use fossil fuel all of our packaging and it is critical to manufacturing. It doesn't matter, sooner or later, there will be no fossil fuel available at any price. You'll have to switch to some sort of bio-based packaging.. We only need to worry about another 16 years, when there is the possibility of a large deposit of elements being made on Earth. Cite? P.S.. The difference between living cells and thermally cracked ones(fossil fuels) is not that much of difference. (Need extra energy inputs to grow, collect bio-matter, and then crack them via pyrolysis. ). My wife is a geologist and chemist. So.... what? Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. Or that big rock heading towrds Earth in 16 years will make it a moot point. You're SURE of that? |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 12:54:33 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:30:15 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... Of course a true global financial collapse (not the little correction we had 4 years ago) could actually bring on a super power war. And when is this going to happen? Long before this global warming thing will be a problem. Cite? Global warming is already a problem, by the way. What problem? Cite? We have been suffering from a lack of global warming the last couple of days in my area. Yep, to hell with science, just go with what FOX feeds you. |
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... http://tinyurl.com/b7433wh ----------------------------------------- If it pans out it will be great! As to people here complaining about solar and the cost. Read the first paragraph in the article. "Solar power is inefficient. Whenever those plains of panels are laid out, the sunlight they convert into stored energy also degrades their effectiveness. With each day the panels spend smoldering under the sun, they become more unreliable in harvesting the rays. For many new systems, designed for lower cost and flexibility, degradation is a huge issue: In just 60 hours, efficiency can sometimes plummet as much as 90%. " And you want to mortgage your kids and grandkids lives to pay for this crap? If they can get efficiency and lifespan at an affordable cost, they go for it. Affordable cost is not having the government subsidize the cost, as that is just shifting who pays the money. |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
... In article om, says... On 11/5/2012 1:25 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 11/5/2012 11:35 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:42:35 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote: The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not practicable. === Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible. Our problem is that we use fossil fuel all of our packaging and it is critical to manufacturing. It doesn't matter, sooner or later, there will be no fossil fuel available at any price. You'll have to switch to some sort of bio-based packaging.. P.S.. The difference between living cells and thermally cracked ones(fossil fuels) is not that much of difference. (Need extra energy inputs to grow, collect bio-matter, and then crack them via pyrolysis. ). Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. You can't explain science to people who get all of their information from FOX..... I rarely catch Fox news. Go ahead and explain science to me, nimrod. The 6th extinction follows the 5th. Also, as I've tried to tell the hard core right wingers here (and they don't get it) fossil fuel is a finite resource. As suspected. You can't explain what science is. Oh, I didn't realize that you didn't know what "science" as a whole is. Okay, so science is the the knowledge of dealing with facts in a systematic arrangement showing the operation of the laws of the physical or material world. -------------------------- That is not science. Science is studying and finding out the facts. Not knowing all the facts. |
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:49:25 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:28:14 -0500, wrote: Of course a true global financial collapse (not the little correction we had 4 years ago) could actually bring on a super power war. === ...or a major resource crunch for something essential like food, fuel or water. Of those I would say water. China and India/Bangladesh are already fighting over water from Tibet (maybe a bigger issue than the Dalai Lama) There are also water wars developing in Africa. ----------------------------- We are much more likely to have wars caused by a shortage of water than a shortage of oil. As we are running short of potable, fresh water now. A lot sooner than the end of oil. The earth is still creating oil and gas deep in the ground, but fresh water is becoming more tainted and not being created at the rate we need it. |
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In article ,
says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... http://tinyurl.com/b7433wh ----------------------------------------- If it pans out it will be great! As to people here complaining about solar and the cost. Read the first paragraph in the article. "Solar power is inefficient. Whenever those plains of panels are laid out, the sunlight they convert into stored energy also degrades their effectiveness. With each day the panels spend smoldering under the sun, they become more unreliable in harvesting the rays. For many new systems, designed for lower cost and flexibility, degradation is a huge issue: In just 60 hours, efficiency can sometimes plummet as much as 90%. " And you want to mortgage your kids and grandkids lives to pay for this crap? If they can get efficiency and lifespan at an affordable cost, they go for it. Affordable cost is not having the government subsidize the cost, as that is just shifting who pays the money. Almost every invention when first developed was too expensive, unreliable, etc. |
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In article ,
says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article om, says... On 11/5/2012 1:25 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 11/5/2012 11:35 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:42:35 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:41:01 -0500, BAR wrote: The leftists want us to stop using all fossil fuel which is not practicable. === Not yet practicable. Someday it will be a necessity for one reason or another, might as well prepare now to the extent possible. Our problem is that we use fossil fuel all of our packaging and it is critical to manufacturing. It doesn't matter, sooner or later, there will be no fossil fuel available at any price. You'll have to switch to some sort of bio-based packaging.. P.S.. The difference between living cells and thermally cracked ones(fossil fuels) is not that much of difference. (Need extra energy inputs to grow, collect bio-matter, and then crack them via pyrolysis. ). Eventually EROEI on fossil fuels will drop so low, It won't even be worth looking for them. But, before that happens the extra CO2 we've put into the atmosphere will drive Earth's Biosphere into the major 6th extinction level event. You can't explain science to people who get all of their information from FOX..... I rarely catch Fox news. Go ahead and explain science to me, nimrod. The 6th extinction follows the 5th. Also, as I've tried to tell the hard core right wingers here (and they don't get it) fossil fuel is a finite resource. As suspected. You can't explain what science is. Oh, I didn't realize that you didn't know what "science" as a whole is. Okay, so science is the the knowledge of dealing with facts in a systematic arrangement showing the operation of the laws of the physical or material world. -------------------------- That is not science. Science is studying and finding out the facts. Not knowing all the facts. From Merriam-Webster: Definition of SCIENCE 1 : the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding 2 a : a department of systematized knowledge as an object of study the science of theology b : something (as a sport or technique) that may be studied or learned like systematized knowledge have it down to a science 3 a : knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method b : such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena : natural science 4 : a system or method reconciling practical ends with scientific laws cooking is both a science and an art |
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:15:23 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote: As we are running short of potable, fresh water now. === That's true but filtration technology will solve some of that, and if someone can figure out how to do cost effective desalination, the oceans contain a vast reservoir of water. Desalination might turn out to be the best application for solar energy. |
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In article ,
says... On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 15:20:17 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... http://tinyurl.com/b7433wh ----------------------------------------- If it pans out it will be great! As to people here complaining about solar and the cost. Read the first paragraph in the article. "Solar power is inefficient. Whenever those plains of panels are laid out, the sunlight they convert into stored energy also degrades their effectiveness. With each day the panels spend smoldering under the sun, they become more unreliable in harvesting the rays. For many new systems, designed for lower cost and flexibility, degradation is a huge issue: In just 60 hours, efficiency can sometimes plummet as much as 90%. " And you want to mortgage your kids and grandkids lives to pay for this crap? If they can get efficiency and lifespan at an affordable cost, they go for it. Affordable cost is not having the government subsidize the cost, as that is just shifting who pays the money. Almost every invention when first developed was too expensive, unreliable, etc. And an alarming number remain that way until they fade away. Go find a stack of popular mechanics magazines from the 50s and 60s and you will see that far more than half of their "wonderful inventions" are not with us today. As Tim Wilson says "where the **** is my jet pack?" http://forum.grasscity.com/music-gen...im-wilson.html Yeah, the car, the bike, the lawnmower, the electric light, the outboard motor, the refrigerator, the air conditioner, the cotton gin, the steam engine, the rifle, and on and on...... All too expensive and unreliable when first brought out...... |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:11:21 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:22:14 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:23:36 -0500, wrote: The same is true now in the central valley of California right now. We were there a few years ago and there were miles of brown fields next to some green ones, simply because of water rationing. === Stop me if I'm wrong but I believe the central valley depends on snow melt for their irrigation water, which in turn is influenced by cyclical ocean temperature patterns in the Pacific. This is the same issue which is causing low water in the Colorado River reservoirs which in the case of Lake Powell and Lake Mead, are down about 60 feet from their maximum levels. Yes but the open question is how fast are they using that water. It is still a finite resource and consumption goes up every year. Actually I think the dams are lower than that unless they are up from when we were there. I am not sure if I have any pictures of the "ring around the tub" but it was striking and more than 60 feet high when we were there. It was certainly a long walk from the marina buildings down to the docks. === The marina buildings are now on floating docks which can be moved in and out (mostly out at this time). The launch ramps are incredibly long, probably close to 1/4 mile. 60 feet is my estimate, might be more. According to this web site lake Powell is almost 81 feet below full pool. http://lakepowell.water-data.com/ All it takes is 3 to 5 years of above average snow fall to bring it all back. One of the issues is that we guarantee Mexico a certain minimum amount of water every year, something like 1.5 million acre feet if my memory is correct. |
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