On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 05:23:56 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Wayne B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:04:27 -0400, wrote:

Honda is just another piece of foreign made ****.

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Not at all. Small Honda engines are some of the world's best.
Allowed to sit with stale, untreated fuel, they will gum up the carb
however, just like any other engine. Don't ask me how I know.

:-)

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Yup, my vote goes to whatever little engine Honda uses in the small
inverter type generators.

I originally bought the EU-2000i back when we had the house in Florida
and Wilma arrived.
The little Honda ran 24 hours a day for over a week, keeping the
refrigerator cold, the DirectTV receiver and plasma TV running plus
provided power for a couple of lights. When I needed coffee, I'd
unplug the refrig temporarily, make a pot of coffee, the plug the
refrig back in. It was shut off twice a day, once in the morning and
once in the evening for re-fueling.

When I returned to MA, we started the pool installation project. The
landscapers used 4-inch thick bluestone for the pool surround and
patio areas.
They "borrowed" the little Honda generator and used it everyday, all
summer to provide power to the cut-off saw used to cut and shape each
of the 4-inch stones. There are well over a hundred of them.

After that project, the Honda was put away with the Sta-Bil in it. I
figured the thing was probably worn out. Not so, as I have discovered
during "Sandy". Hooked it up in a similar way as during Wilma and
it has been running flawlessly at the low, "Economy" RPM, powering a
refrig, three lights, a DirectTV receiver and TV and ... this computer
and the wireless router. The only time it kicks up momentarily to
full RPM is when the compressor in the refrig kicks on. After the
compressor starts, it drops back down to the "Economy" RPM. We have
it sitting out in the driveway. In the house we can't hear it running
at all.

If it ever dies, I'll be first in line to buy another one.




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I talked with folks who do emergency management work before I bought
my Honda generator. They said that Briggs & Stratton engines
typically have a lifespan of about 500 hours in generator service.
Hondas are up around 2,000 hours, probaly more for the inverter models
which normally do not run at full RPM.

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:42:16 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:04:27 -0400, wrote:

Honda is just another piece of foreign made ****.

===

Not at all. Small Honda engines are some of the world's best.
Allowed to sit with stale, untreated fuel, they will gum up the carb
however, just like any other engine. Don't ask me how I know.

:-)

I have effectively f-ed up Yamaha, Suzuki, and B&S, thanks to living
in a humid geographic location and forced to use the devils own brew:
E10+.

Daily drivers seem to be immune, everything else is an accident
waiting (and overdue) to happen.

The notion that foreign designed **** is somehow immune to the natural
ravages of nature and science really ****es me off.

Buy American. That is better than voting for "the best" candidate! (If
there WAS one.)

Edward Deming.

On Monday, October 29, 2012 3:24:00 AM UTC-3, Eisboch wrote:
A few years ago we had a great debate here in rec.boats regarding the

gas additive "Stabil". Some argued it's positive benefits in keeping

gas fresh, while some claimed it was nothing but snake oil.



Well, I have become a believer. I have a little Honda EU-2000

generator that was last used seven years ago. I had put some Stabil

in the gas tank the last time I used it.



With this storm on it's way I decided we should probably have a small

generator on hand but figured the little Honda would never start after

7 years of sitting. I assumed that the gas in the carb and lines would

have turned to shellac over the years. I dug it out of the barn and

checked the fuel tank. Sure enough, there was still gas in it, but it

didn't smell stale.



Put the choke on about halfway and pulled the starter cord rapidly

about four times and the little son-of-a-gun fired up and ran

perfectly. I was shocked, and am now convinced that Stabil works.



This storm is gonna suck though.

Just last week I was wondering during which Stabil I should use in the 60 liter built-in gas tank know my new boat... Regular Stabil or the Marine Stabil.
As I read it..the marine version is meant for every fillup to counter Ethanol problems.
At this point we have ethanol free gas here so the regular bright red stuff is best for winterization.
That is...sitting unused for about 7 months.

On Oct 29, 6:59*am, wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2012 3:24:00 AM UTC-3, Eisboch wrote:
A few years ago we had a great debate here in rec.boats regarding the

gas additive "Stabil". * Some argued it's positive benefits in keeping

gas fresh, *while some claimed it was nothing but snake oil.

Well, I have become a believer. * I have a little Honda EU-2000

generator that was last used seven years ago. * I had put some Stabil

in the gas tank the last time I used it.

With this storm on it's way I decided we should probably have a small

generator on hand but figured the little Honda would never start after

7 years of sitting. I assumed that the gas in the carb and lines would

have turned to shellac over the years. * I dug it out of the barn and

checked the fuel tank. *Sure enough, there was still gas in it, but it

didn't smell stale.

Put the choke on about halfway and pulled the starter cord rapidly

about four times and the little son-of-a-gun *fired up and ran

perfectly. * I was shocked, and am now convinced that Stabil *works..

This storm is gonna suck though.

Just last week I was wondering during which Stabil I should use in the 60 liter built-in gas tank know my new boat... Regular Stabil or the Marine Stabil.
As I read it..the marine version is meant for every fillup to counter Ethanol problems.
At this point we have ethanol free gas here so the regular bright red stuff is best for winterization.
That is...sitting unused for about 7 months.

Don, I don't know one from the other. I just dump what ever's
available in the tank. I dont' know how a 350 GM engine would know the
difference if it's in a boat or in a pick up truck.

On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:43:39 AM UTC-3, Tim wrote:
On Oct 29, 6:59*am, wrote:

On Monday, October 29, 2012 3:24:00 AM UTC-3, Eisboch wrote:

A few years ago we had a great debate here in rec.boats regarding the



gas additive "Stabil". * Some argued it's positive benefits in keeping



gas fresh, *while some claimed it was nothing but snake oil.



Well, I have become a believer. * I have a little Honda EU-2000



generator that was last used seven years ago. * I had put some Stabil



in the gas tank the last time I used it.



With this storm on it's way I decided we should probably have a small



generator on hand but figured the little Honda would never start after



7 years of sitting. I assumed that the gas in the carb and lines would



have turned to shellac over the years. * I dug it out of the barn and



checked the fuel tank. *Sure enough, there was still gas in it, but it



didn't smell stale.



Put the choke on about halfway and pulled the starter cord rapidly



about four times and the little son-of-a-gun *fired up and ran



perfectly. * I was shocked, and am now convinced that Stabil *works.



This storm is gonna suck though.



Just last week I was wondering during which Stabil I should use in the 60 liter built-in gas tank know my new boat... Regular Stabil or the Marine Stabil.

As I read it..the marine version is meant for every fillup to counter Ethanol problems.

At this point we have ethanol free gas here so the regular bright red stuff is best for winterization.

That is...sitting unused for about 7 months.



Don, I don't know one from the other. I just dump what ever's

available in the tank. I dont' know how a 350 GM engine would know the

difference if it's in a boat or in a pick up truck.

I was talking to my service manager and he says they'll add the StaBil as part of the $200.00 winterization procedure. I'll just make sure the tank is almost filled to avoid condensation.
I'll have to remember to change the gas/water seperator filter too...just in case there is some water there.
The Mercury filter is painted solid black... no sight ports that I can see.

On 10/30/2012 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:43:39 AM UTC-3, Tim wrote:
On Oct 29, 6:59 am, wrote:

On Monday, October 29, 2012 3:24:00 AM UTC-3, Eisboch wrote:

A few years ago we had a great debate here in rec.boats regarding the



gas additive "Stabil". Some argued it's positive benefits in keeping



gas fresh, while some claimed it was nothing but snake oil.



Well, I have become a believer. I have a little Honda EU-2000



generator that was last used seven years ago. I had put some Stabil



in the gas tank the last time I used it.



With this storm on it's way I decided we should probably have a small



generator on hand but figured the little Honda would never start after



7 years of sitting. I assumed that the gas in the carb and lines would



have turned to shellac over the years. I dug it out of the barn and



checked the fuel tank. Sure enough, there was still gas in it, but it



didn't smell stale.



Put the choke on about halfway and pulled the starter cord rapidly



about four times and the little son-of-a-gun fired up and ran



perfectly. I was shocked, and am now convinced that Stabil works.



This storm is gonna suck though.



Just last week I was wondering during which Stabil I should use in the 60 liter built-in gas tank know my new boat... Regular Stabil or the Marine Stabil.

As I read it..the marine version is meant for every fillup to counter Ethanol problems.

At this point we have ethanol free gas here so the regular bright red stuff is best for winterization.

That is...sitting unused for about 7 months.



Don, I don't know one from the other. I just dump what ever's

available in the tank. I dont' know how a 350 GM engine would know the

difference if it's in a boat or in a pick up truck.

I was talking to my service manager and he says they'll add the StaBil as part of the $200.00 winterization procedure. I'll just make sure the tank is almost filled to avoid condensation.
I'll have to remember to change the gas/water seperator filter too...just in case there is some water there.
The Mercury filter is painted solid black... no sight ports that I can see.

What will they do to earn $200?

Meyer wrote:
On 10/30/2012 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:43:39 AM UTC-3, Tim wrote:
On Oct 29, 6:59 am, wrote:

On Monday, October 29, 2012 3:24:00 AM UTC-3, Eisboch wrote:

A few years ago we had a great debate here in rec.boats regarding the



gas additive "Stabil". Some argued it's positive benefits in
keeping



gas fresh, while some claimed it was nothing but snake oil.



Well, I have become a believer. I have a little Honda EU-2000



generator that was last used seven years ago. I had put some Stabil



in the gas tank the last time I used it.



With this storm on it's way I decided we should probably have a small



generator on hand but figured the little Honda would never start
after



7 years of sitting. I assumed that the gas in the carb and lines
would



have turned to shellac over the years. I dug it out of the barn and



checked the fuel tank. Sure enough, there was still gas in it,
but it



didn't smell stale.



Put the choke on about halfway and pulled the starter cord rapidly



about four times and the little son-of-a-gun fired up and ran



perfectly. I was shocked, and am now convinced that Stabil works.



This storm is gonna suck though.



Just last week I was wondering during which Stabil I should use in
the 60 liter built-in gas tank know my new boat... Regular Stabil
or the Marine Stabil.

As I read it..the marine version is meant for every fillup to
counter Ethanol problems.

At this point we have ethanol free gas here so the regular bright
red stuff is best for winterization.

That is...sitting unused for about 7 months.



Don, I don't know one from the other. I just dump what ever's

available in the tank. I dont' know how a 350 GM engine would know the

difference if it's in a boat or in a pick up truck.

I was talking to my service manager and he says they'll add the
StaBil as part of the $200.00 winterization procedure. I'll just make
sure the tank is almost filled to avoid condensation.
I'll have to remember to change the gas/water seperator filter
too...just in case there is some water there.
The Mercury filter is painted solid black... no sight ports that I
can see.

What will they do to earn $200?
Bend him over, of course!

wrote:
On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:43:39 AM UTC-3, Tim wrote:
On Oct 29, 6:59 am, wrote:

On Monday, October 29, 2012 3:24:00 AM UTC-3, Eisboch wrote:
A few years ago we had a great debate here in rec.boats regarding the
gas additive "Stabil". Some argued it's positive benefits in keeping
gas fresh, while some claimed it was nothing but snake oil.
Well, I have become a believer. I have a little Honda EU-2000
generator that was last used seven years ago. I had put some Stabil
in the gas tank the last time I used it.
With this storm on it's way I decided we should probably have a small
generator on hand but figured the little Honda would never start after
7 years of sitting. I assumed that the gas in the carb and lines would
have turned to shellac over the years. I dug it out of the barn and
checked the fuel tank. Sure enough, there was still gas in it, but it
didn't smell stale.
Put the choke on about halfway and pulled the starter cord rapidly
about four times and the little son-of-a-gun fired up and ran
perfectly. I was shocked, and am now convinced that Stabil works.
This storm is gonna suck though.
Just last week I was wondering during which Stabil I should use in the 60 liter built-in gas tank know my new boat... Regular Stabil or the Marine Stabil.
As I read it..the marine version is meant for every fillup to counter Ethanol problems.
At this point we have ethanol free gas here so the regular bright red stuff is best for winterization.
That is...sitting unused for about 7 months.


Don, I don't know one from the other. I just dump what ever's

available in the tank. I dont' know how a 350 GM engine would know the

difference if it's in a boat or in a pick up truck.
I was talking to my service manager and he says they'll add the StaBil as part of the $200.00 winterization procedure. I'll just make sure the tank is almost filled to avoid condensation.
I'll have to remember to change the gas/water seperator filter too...just in case there is some water there.
The Mercury filter is painted solid black... no sight ports that I can see.
Get a real fuel/water separator. Look up Racor.

wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2012 3:24:00 AM UTC-3, Eisboch wrote:
A few years ago we had a great debate here in rec.boats regarding the

gas additive "Stabil". Some argued it's positive benefits in keeping

gas fresh, while some claimed it was nothing but snake oil.



Well, I have become a believer. I have a little Honda EU-2000

generator that was last used seven years ago. I had put some Stabil

in the gas tank the last time I used it.



With this storm on it's way I decided we should probably have a small

generator on hand but figured the little Honda would never start after

7 years of sitting. I assumed that the gas in the carb and lines would

have turned to shellac over the years. I dug it out of the barn and

checked the fuel tank. Sure enough, there was still gas in it, but it

didn't smell stale.



Put the choke on about halfway and pulled the starter cord rapidly

about four times and the little son-of-a-gun fired up and ran

perfectly. I was shocked, and am now convinced that Stabil works.



This storm is gonna suck though.
Just last week I was wondering during which Stabil I should use in the 60 liter built-in gas tank know my new boat... Regular Stabil or the Marine Stabil.
As I read it..the marine version is meant for every fillup to counter Ethanol problems.
At this point we have ethanol free gas here so the regular bright red stuff is best for winterization.
That is...sitting unused for about 7 months.
Seven? How many hours did you put on it this year, three?

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 02:23:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

A few years ago we had a great debate here in rec.boats regarding the
gas additive "Stabil". Some argued it's positive benefits in
keeping
gas fresh, while some claimed it was nothing but snake oil.

Well, I have become a believer. I have a little Honda EU-2000
generator that was last used seven years ago. I had put some Stabil
in the gas tank the last time I used it.

With this storm on it's way I decided we should probably have a small
generator on hand but figured the little Honda would never start
after
7 years of sitting. I assumed that the gas in the carb and lines
would
have turned to shellac over the years. I dug it out of the barn and
checked the fuel tank. Sure enough, there was still gas in it, but
it
didn't smell stale.

Put the choke on about halfway and pulled the starter cord rapidly
about four times and the little son-of-a-gun fired up and ran
perfectly. I was shocked, and am now convinced that Stabil works.

This storm is gonna suck though.


There is Sta-Bil and, then, there is Sta-Bil.

The old Sta-Bil designed for E0 is, in today's world, crap. The new
Marine Formula Sta-Bil seems, in today's E10+ world, to be good stuff.

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Well, I don't know what Sta-Bil I used 6 years ago, but it worked.
It was red, I know that.
As Wayne pointed out, the little Honda engine used in the EU-2000i
generator is remarkable, but it's not immune to stale, shellacked, old
gas.
Whatever kind of Sta-Bil that I used worked.