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Tim October 11th 12 04:42 AM

Floridian Hospitality
 
On Oct 10, 10:37*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:27:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I'm not into .22 revolvers, but 30 yrs ago a friend of mine had a 9
shot .22 and I fell in love with it. *pain to load if under time,
though.


===

One of the guys I compete with has a 22 revolver. * Using a speed
loader and ammo staging tray he is surprisingly fast on the reloads.


I'm sure he is with practice and the right set up. Especially for
small bore though, I prefer clips.

jps October 11th 12 08:10 AM

Floridian Hospitality
 
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:58:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
. ..

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.



(rest of story snipped)


Yup we need better knife control here.


It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009. "Aggravated assault" is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and
involves
the display of—or threat to use—a gun, knife, or other weapon.

26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.

Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults,
battery
or break-ins. I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.

When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. But now as a "young", 63 year old senior,
kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... I have often thought about
"what would I do if" type scenarios. News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) for personal defense and for that of my wife.

To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.


Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?

People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those
who have guns that become the victims. Gonna go to your safe and
unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol
whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? Or will you keep it
under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your
home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?
That's how most guns make it to the street.

The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,
mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and
unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. Or the
recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.

Just like this guy who killed his workmates. Got a lot of hostility
at the Music Shoppe? Disgruntled employees? Better get a gun.

-----------------------------------------

I have to admit. You live in a strange world.

First of all, we do not live in a gated community. We *did* during
the winter months in Florida for three winters, but we sold that
property back in 2004 and no longer winter there.

No, I am not paranoid. I am realistic. My state (MA) has some of,
if not *the* toughest gun control laws in the nation that have been
further modified and updated to be even more restrictive in recent
years. The standard "For all lawful purposes" does not apply here
anymore. You must have specific reasons to be issued a LTC class "A"
license. The police departments (town and state) have determined that
I have sufficient specific reasons.
For purposes of responding to you, that's all the information you
need.

The bulk of your post is a bunch of goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views. No, jps, I do not have visions of "giant black men" floating
in my head nor am I concerned with "disgruntled employees" (mainly
because I don't have any). I thought you were brighter and more
mature. Guess I was wrong.

Eisboch


Anyone who says that my post do more to convince them to get a gun has
some strange ideas rolling around in their head. I post about
lunatics who go off in pubic or take out their own families. The
number of home invasion robberies are so few, that the potential for
anything to touch you or your immediate family are ridiculously low.

I thought you were more circumspect and thoughtful. I was wrong.

Tim October 11th 12 10:30 AM

Floridian Hospitality
 
On Oct 11, 2:10*am, jps wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:58:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jps" *wrote in message
.. .


On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"jps" *wrote in message
. ..


On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.


(rest of story snipped)


Yup we need better knife control here.


It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. *But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. *The CDC doesn't agree with you.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------


Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... *there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA *in 2009. *"Aggravated assault" *is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and
involves
the display of or threat to use a gun, knife, or other weapon.


26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.


Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults,
battery
or break-ins. *I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.


When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. *But now as a "young", 63 year old senior,
kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... *I *have often thought about
"what would I do if" *type scenarios. * News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) *do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. * To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) *for personal defense and for that of my wife.


To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.


Because your gated community is so very often under attack? *Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?


People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those
who have guns that become the victims. *Gonna go to your safe and
unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol
whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? *Or will you keep it
under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your
home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?
That's how most guns make it to the street.


The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,
mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and
unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. *Or the
recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.


Just like this guy who killed his workmates. *Got a lot of hostility
at the Music Shoppe? *Disgruntled employees? *Better get a gun.


-----------------------------------------


I have to admit. *You live in a strange world.


First of all, we do not live in a gated community. * We *did* during
the winter months in Florida for three winters, but we sold that
property back in 2004 and no longer winter there.


No, I am not paranoid. *I am realistic. *My state (MA) *has some of,
if not *the* toughest gun control laws in the nation that have been
further modified and updated to be even more restrictive in recent
years. *The standard *"For all lawful purposes" *does not apply here
anymore. *You must have specific reasons to be issued a LTC class "A"
license. *The police departments (town and state) have determined that
I have sufficient specific reasons.
For purposes of responding to you, that's all the information you
need.


The bulk of your post is a bunch of *goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views. *No, jps, I do not have visions of "giant black men" *floating
in my head nor am I concerned with "disgruntled employees" *(mainly
because I don't have any). * * I thought you were brighter and more
mature. *Guess I was wrong.


Eisboch


Anyone who says that my post do more to convince them to get a gun has
some strange ideas rolling around in their head. *I post about
lunatics who go off in pubic or take out their own families. *The
number of home invasion robberies are so few, that the potential for
anything to touch you or your immediate family are ridiculously low.

I thought you were more circumspect and thoughtful. *I was wrong.


You post that foolishness because that's really all you want to see.

We're still waiting to hear your solution to these shooting problems.
but you stay silent.

Talk about narrow minded.

Meyer[_2_] October 11th 12 01:28 PM

Floridian Hospitality
 
On 10/10/2012 10:27 PM, Tim wrote:


I'd love to have any one of these! But they demand a kings ransom to
buy one.

https://www.google.com/search?num=10....1.xovt-_i07rU

I'm not into .22 revolvers, but 30 yrs ago a friend of mine had a 9
shot .22 and I fell in love with it. pain to load if under time,
though.


If only they could talk. Especially the silencer models.

iBoaterer[_2_] October 11th 12 01:40 PM

Floridian Hospitality
 
In article 51b06c65-60c4-4dc6-ad8d-ce799076fbe0
@m5g2000pbv.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 10, 4:38*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:32:57 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:









In article ,
says...


On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:18:24 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:


The muzzle flip
with .40 S&W rounds is something to be taken seriously.


===


You sound like quite an expert.


How is your old friend "Stumpy"?


Stumpy? I don't get the reference.


Why don't you people just let it go? Stay on topic and it won't matter
WHO he is. Damn.

I don't see how ONE person can rule so many other people's every
waking moment.


Because "staying on topic" is a troll thread on firearms from JPS...
Guess you think that's ok:) But you and John go along looking down
your noses at us.. We don't mind...


Everybody looks down there noses at those too lazy to get a job.

EmpacherFan October 11th 12 01:50 PM

Floridian Hospitality
 
In article 42471d53-4763-4233-b701-
, says...

On Oct 10, 12:24*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:56:27 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:

If I were interested in a 22, though, I'd get a 22. I like these Mark
III's or the older Mark II's from Ruger:


http://www.ruger.com/products/markIIITarget/models.html

They're a bitch to break down completely for cleaning until you learn
a very simple trick. Then, they're easy. :)


===

Breaking down is fairly easy, putting it back together is what gives
people fits until they learn how to get the hammer and spring into the
right position.

In terms of speed and accuracy, a S&W 41 or an old Hi Standard
Supermatic will run circles around the Ruger III.


Finding a good Hi-Standard is hard to come by, Wayne. They've been out
of business for years, but they were a top quality arm.



If you find one worth buying, the go-to guy for working on High
Standards was a gunsmith named Bob Shea who was an employee of the
company before it was sold and moved from New England to Texas.

I checked and if he is still living and still active, this is his
contact information Bob Shea, 381 Quinnipiac Avenue, North Haven, CT
06473. Tel: 203-239-1012.

Shea bench built and accurized High Standard semi auto pistols for many
years. He actually did that for the factory and they sold his work
output at a high premium. I remember reading about him in an old gun
magazine. For all I know though by now he may be a ghost rider in the
sky.


Meyer[_2_] October 11th 12 02:00 PM

Floridian Hospitality
 
On 10/11/2012 3:10 AM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:58:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


The bulk of your post is a bunch of goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views. No, jps, I do not have visions of "giant black men" floating
in my head nor am I concerned with "disgruntled employees" (mainly
because I don't have any). I thought you were brighter and more
mature. Guess I was wrong.

Eisboch


Anyone who says that my post do more to convince them to get a gun has
some strange ideas rolling around in their head. I post about
lunatics who go off in pubic or take out their own families. The
number of home invasion robberies are so few, that the potential for
anything to touch you or your immediate family are ridiculously low.

I thought you were more circumspect and thoughtful. I was wrong.


Home invasions are de rigueue among the low life, and the O'bama
introduced, homeless and broke crowd. In the case of the latter, it's
the poor folks who have lost all HOPE, pride and dignity who would be
desperate enough to take such measures.
The lunatics you speak of are products of their environment. They
finally realized that HOPE and CHANGE were all lies and bull****.

If you cared about your family, you'd teach them to protect themselves
instead of taking them to gay pride rallies and parades, "in order to
broaden their horizons".
BTW: Wanna bet your kids will grow up to be racists just like you?

Meyer[_2_] October 11th 12 02:02 PM

Floridian Hospitality
 
On 10/11/2012 5:30 AM, Tim wrote:
On Oct 11, 2:10 am, jps wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:58:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...


On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...


On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.


(rest of story snipped)


Yup we need better knife control here.


It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------


Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009. "Aggravated assault" is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and
involves
the display of or threat to use a gun, knife, or other weapon.


26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.


Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults,
battery
or break-ins. I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.


When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. But now as a "young", 63 year old senior,
kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... I have often thought about
"what would I do if" type scenarios. News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) for personal defense and for that of my wife.


To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.


Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?


People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those
who have guns that become the victims. Gonna go to your safe and
unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol
whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? Or will you keep it
under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your
home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?
That's how most guns make it to the street.


The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,
mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and
unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. Or the
recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.


Just like this guy who killed his workmates. Got a lot of hostility
at the Music Shoppe? Disgruntled employees? Better get a gun.


-----------------------------------------


I have to admit. You live in a strange world.


First of all, we do not live in a gated community. We *did* during
the winter months in Florida for three winters, but we sold that
property back in 2004 and no longer winter there.


No, I am not paranoid. I am realistic. My state (MA) has some of,
if not *the* toughest gun control laws in the nation that have been
further modified and updated to be even more restrictive in recent
years. The standard "For all lawful purposes" does not apply here
anymore. You must have specific reasons to be issued a LTC class "A"
license. The police departments (town and state) have determined that
I have sufficient specific reasons.
For purposes of responding to you, that's all the information you
need.


The bulk of your post is a bunch of goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views. No, jps, I do not have visions of "giant black men" floating
in my head nor am I concerned with "disgruntled employees" (mainly
because I don't have any). I thought you were brighter and more
mature. Guess I was wrong.


Eisboch


Anyone who says that my post do more to convince them to get a gun has
some strange ideas rolling around in their head. I post about
lunatics who go off in pubic or take out their own families. The
number of home invasion robberies are so few, that the potential for
anything to touch you or your immediate family are ridiculously low.

I thought you were more circumspect and thoughtful. I was wrong.


You post that foolishness because that's really all you want to see.

We're still waiting to hear your solution to these shooting problems.
but you stay silent.

Talk about narrow minded.

Liberals are more often the problem, not the solution.

iBoaterer[_2_] October 11th 12 04:37 PM

Floridian Hospitality
 
In article om,
says...

On 10/11/2012 3:10 AM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:58:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


The bulk of your post is a bunch of goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views. No, jps, I do not have visions of "giant black men" floating
in my head nor am I concerned with "disgruntled employees" (mainly
because I don't have any). I thought you were brighter and more
mature. Guess I was wrong.

Eisboch


Anyone who says that my post do more to convince them to get a gun has
some strange ideas rolling around in their head. I post about
lunatics who go off in pubic or take out their own families. The
number of home invasion robberies are so few, that the potential for
anything to touch you or your immediate family are ridiculously low.

I thought you were more circumspect and thoughtful. I was wrong.


Home invasions are de rigueue among the low life, and the O'bama
introduced, homeless and broke crowd. In the case of the latter, it's
the poor folks who have lost all HOPE, pride and dignity who would be
desperate enough to take such measures.
The lunatics you speak of are products of their environment. They
finally realized that HOPE and CHANGE were all lies and bull****.

If you cared about your family, you'd teach them to protect themselves
instead of taking them to gay pride rallies and parades, "in order to
broaden their horizons".
BTW: Wanna bet your kids will grow up to be racists just like you?


Gee, how bigoted can you get? Scotty's broke and doesn't have a job, are
home invasions the "de rigueue" for him?

EmpacherFan October 11th 12 08:09 PM

Floridian Hospitality
 
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 02:30:59 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 11, 2:10*am, jps wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:58:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jps" *wrote in message
.. .

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jps" *wrote in message
. ..

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:

William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.

(rest of story snipped)

Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. *But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. *The CDC doesn't agree with you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... *there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA *in 2009. *"Aggravated assault" *is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and
involves
the display of or threat to use a gun, knife, or other weapon.

26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.

Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults,
battery
or break-ins. *I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.

When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. *But now as a "young", 63 year old senior,
kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... *I *have often thought about
"what would I do if" *type scenarios. * News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) *do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. * To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) *for personal defense and for that of my wife.

To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.

Because your gated community is so very often under attack? *Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?

People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those
who have guns that become the victims. *Gonna go to your safe and
unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol
whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? *Or will you keep it
under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your
home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?
That's how most guns make it to the street.

The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,
mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and
unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. *Or the
recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.

Just like this guy who killed his workmates. *Got a lot of hostility
at the Music Shoppe? *Disgruntled employees? *Better get a gun.

-----------------------------------------

I have to admit. *You live in a strange world.

First of all, we do not live in a gated community. * We *did* during
the winter months in Florida for three winters, but we sold that
property back in 2004 and no longer winter there.

No, I am not paranoid. *I am realistic. *My state (MA) *has some of,
if not *the* toughest gun control laws in the nation that have been
further modified and updated to be even more restrictive in recent
years. *The standard *"For all lawful purposes" *does not apply here
anymore. *You must have specific reasons to be issued a LTC class "A"
license. *The police departments (town and state) have determined that
I have sufficient specific reasons.
For purposes of responding to you, that's all the information you
need.

The bulk of your post is a bunch of *goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views. *No, jps, I do not have visions of "giant black men" *floating
in my head nor am I concerned with "disgruntled employees" *(mainly
because I don't have any). * * I thought you were brighter and more
mature. *Guess I was wrong.

Eisboch

Anyone who says that my post do more to convince them to get a gun has
some strange ideas rolling around in their head. *I post about
lunatics who go off in pubic or take out their own families. *The
number of home invasion robberies are so few, that the potential for
anything to touch you or your immediate family are ridiculously low.

I thought you were more circumspect and thoughtful. *I was wrong.


You post that foolishness because that's really all you want to see.

We're still waiting to hear your solution to these shooting problems.
but you stay silent.

Talk about narrow minded.


It's so ****ing obvious. We need to have some intersection between
gun ownership and mental health, at the very least.

Currently, there's no such thing. It's hard enough to keep guns out
of the hands of felons who are, by law, not supposed to possess.

We've swung so far to the right in this country, not even the
president is willing to recognize the need and call for reform.



You are tilting at windmills. I'm not interested in the politics of guns
but I see no reason not to require first-time gun purchasers to take a
serious hands-on classroom and range training course that takes place
over several days or evenings so they earn a certificate that means
something before they exercise their right to buy a legal firearm. Maybe
gun owners should have to reprove their knowledge of gun laws and gun
handling every five years and get their certificate re-stamped.

The other issue of gun ownership is extremely complex.


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