On Oct 4, 9:44*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:20:32 -0400, wrote:
I would get a pack of phasing tape at HD (usually at least 5-6 colors)
and re identify all of those wires to standard black, white and green

===

I've been doing that on an "as needed" basis when I'm into a circuit
for some reason. *The issue is actually even worse than I described
since only the "hot" wire of each circuit goes to the breaker panel.
Neutral and safety ground go to bus bars in a special panel located
elsewhere. *Everything is loose wire in harnesses of course, in the
same lovely shade of red.

You mean, they don't wire to any kind of 'standard?"

?8^ 0

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 4, 9:44*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:20:32 -0400, wrote:
I would get a pack of phasing tape at HD (usually at least 5-6 colors)
and re identify all of those wires to standard black, white and green

===

I've been doing that on an "as needed" basis when I'm into a circuit
for some reason. *The issue is actually even worse than I described
since only the "hot" wire of each circuit goes to the breaker panel.
Neutral and safety ground go to bus bars in a special panel located
elsewhere. *Everything is loose wire in harnesses of course, in the
same lovely shade of red.

You mean, they don't wire to any kind of 'standard?"

===

Of course they do. It's the Asian AWAR standard (All Wires Are Red).

:-)



?8^ 0

On Oct 5, 8:00*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 4, 9:44 pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:20:32 -0400, wrote:
I would get a pack of phasing tape at HD (usually at least 5-6 colors)
and re identify all of those wires to standard black, white and green

===

I've been doing that on an "as needed" basis when I'm into a circuit
for some reason. The issue is actually even worse than I described
since only the "hot" wire of each circuit goes to the breaker panel.
Neutral and safety ground go to bus bars in a special panel located
elsewhere. Everything is loose wire in harnesses of course, in the
same lovely shade of red.

You mean, they don't wire to any kind of 'standard?"

===

Of course they do. *It's the Asian AWAR standard (All Wires Are Red).

* :-)

?8^ 0

LOL!!!!!!

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On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 4, 9:44*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:20:32 -0400, wrote:
I would get a pack of phasing tape at HD (usually at least 5-6 colors)
and re identify all of those wires to standard black, white and green

===

I've been doing that on an "as needed" basis when I'm into a circuit
for some reason. *The issue is actually even worse than I described
since only the "hot" wire of each circuit goes to the breaker panel.
Neutral and safety ground go to bus bars in a special panel located
elsewhere. *Everything is loose wire in harnesses of course, in the
same lovely shade of red.

You mean, they don't wire to any kind of 'standard?"

===

Of course they do. It's the Asian AWAR standard (All Wires Are Red).

snerk

On Oct 5, 11:33*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:59:50 -0400, Wayne B









wrote:
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 4, 9:44*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:20:32 -0400, wrote:
I would get a pack of phasing tape at HD (usually at least 5-6 colors)
and re identify all of those wires to standard black, white and green

===

I've been doing that on an "as needed" basis when I'm into a circuit
for some reason. *The issue is actually even worse than I described
since only the "hot" wire of each circuit goes to the breaker panel.
Neutral and safety ground go to bus bars in a special panel located
elsewhere. *Everything is loose wire in harnesses of course, in the
same lovely shade of red.

You mean, they don't wire to any kind of 'standard?"

===

Of course they do. *It's the Asian AWAR standard (All Wires Are Red).

*:-)

?8^ 0

ABYC does have a pretty good standard for wiring and wire colors but
it is still voluntary for the manufacturer.
I do notice it does conform pretty well to the way outboard
controllers are wired in that fat cable and the wiring in the motor
itself.

http://www.marinewiring.com/abyc-mar...lectrical-wiri...

There are more topics in the pulldown on the right

Used to see a lot of odd code-color wiring variations with automotive
manufacturers., then it got to be reasonable standard thanks to SAE.
But the Europeans and the Orientals still thought differently.

On Oct 6, 11:15*am, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 05:08:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:









On Oct 5, 11:33*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:59:50 -0400, Wayne B

wrote:
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 4, 9:44*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:20:32 -0400, wrote:
I would get a pack of phasing tape at HD (usually at least 5-6 colors)
and re identify all of those wires to standard black, white and green

===

I've been doing that on an "as needed" basis when I'm into a circuit
for some reason. *The issue is actually even worse than I described
since only the "hot" wire of each circuit goes to the breaker panel.
Neutral and safety ground go to bus bars in a special panel located
elsewhere. *Everything is loose wire in harnesses of course, in the
same lovely shade of red.

You mean, they don't wire to any kind of 'standard?"

===

Of course they do. *It's the Asian AWAR standard (All Wires Are Red).

*:-)

?8^ 0

ABYC does have a pretty good standard for wiring and wire colors but
it is still voluntary for the manufacturer.
I do notice it does conform pretty well to the way outboard
controllers are wired in that fat cable and the wiring in the motor
itself.

http://www.marinewiring.com/abyc-mar...lectrical-wiri....

There are more topics in the pulldown on the right

Used to see a lot of odd code-color wiring variations with automotive
manufacturers., then it got to be reasonable standard thanks to SAE.
But the Europeans and the Orientals still thought differently.

The biggest discrepancy on a boat will be the black wire.

On the DC side of the inverter it will be ground. If you use the NEC
convention, on the AC side it will be a hot conductor.

In NEC wiring the difference between here and Europe is the use of
blue. Europe (most of it) uses blue is the neutral in a cord. You may
see this if you cut the plug off a PC power cord that was made for the
export market. It will be green/tellow (ground), blue (neutral) and
brown(hot). That will even be true if it has a US 5-15 plug on it.

UK uses black for neutral too.

Yep! seen it before. Baldor made a bunch of 10 hp. three phase
motors for the European market. 10 hp. 50 cycle. Wiring color code
inside was different than std. SAE

On Oct 6, 11:36*am, Tim wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:15*am, wrote:









On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 05:08:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 5, 11:33*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:59:50 -0400, Wayne B

wrote:
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 4, 9:44*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:20:32 -0400, wrote:
I would get a pack of phasing tape at HD (usually at least 5-6 colors)
and re identify all of those wires to standard black, white and green

===

I've been doing that on an "as needed" basis when I'm into a circuit
for some reason. *The issue is actually even worse than I described
since only the "hot" wire of each circuit goes to the breaker panel.
Neutral and safety ground go to bus bars in a special panel located
elsewhere. *Everything is loose wire in harnesses of course, in the
same lovely shade of red.

You mean, they don't wire to any kind of 'standard?"

===

Of course they do. *It's the Asian AWAR standard (All Wires Are Red).

*:-)

?8^ 0

ABYC does have a pretty good standard for wiring and wire colors but
it is still voluntary for the manufacturer.
I do notice it does conform pretty well to the way outboard
controllers are wired in that fat cable and the wiring in the motor
itself.

http://www.marinewiring.com/abyc-mar...lectrical-wiri....

There are more topics in the pulldown on the right

Used to see a lot of odd code-color wiring variations with automotive
manufacturers., then it got to be reasonable standard thanks to SAE.
But the Europeans and the Orientals still thought differently.

The biggest discrepancy on a boat will be the black wire.

On the DC side of the inverter it will be ground. If you use the NEC
convention, on the AC side it will be a hot conductor.

In NEC wiring the difference between here and Europe is the use of
blue. Europe (most of it) uses blue is the neutral in a cord. You may
see this if you cut the plug off a PC power cord that was made for the
export market. It will be green/tellow (ground), blue (neutral) and
brown(hot). That will even be true if it has a US 5-15 plug on it.

UK uses black for neutral too.

Yep! *seen it before. *Baldor made a bunch of 10 hp. three phase
motors for the European market. *10 hp. 50 cycle. *Wiring color code
inside was different than std. SAE

Sorry, I shouldn't have said SAE on that. I got carried away...

?;^ )

On Oct 6, 1:27*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 09:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 6, 11:36*am, Tim wrote:

Sorry, I shouldn't have said SAE on that. I got carried away...

?;^ )

NEMA or NFPA maybe? *;-)

NEMA

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:32:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Oct 6, 1:27*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 09:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 6, 11:36*am, Tim wrote:

Sorry, I shouldn't have said SAE on that. I got carried away...

?;^ )

NEMA or NFPA maybe? *;-)

NEMA

I always liked NUMA better.

Of course, if you're not a Clive Cussler fan, that's meaningless.

On Oct 5, 11:33*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:59:50 -0400, Wayne B









wrote:
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 4, 9:44*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:20:32 -0400, wrote:
I would get a pack of phasing tape at HD (usually at least 5-6 colors)
and re identify all of those wires to standard black, white and green

===

I've been doing that on an "as needed" basis when I'm into a circuit
for some reason. *The issue is actually even worse than I described
since only the "hot" wire of each circuit goes to the breaker panel.
Neutral and safety ground go to bus bars in a special panel located
elsewhere. *Everything is loose wire in harnesses of course, in the
same lovely shade of red.

You mean, they don't wire to any kind of 'standard?"

===

Of course they do. *It's the Asian AWAR standard (All Wires Are Red).

*:-)

?8^ 0

ABYC does have a pretty good standard for wiring and wire colors but
it is still voluntary for the manufacturer.
I do notice it does conform pretty well to the way outboard
controllers are wired in that fat cable and the wiring in the motor
itself.

http://www.marinewiring.com/abyc-mar...lectrical-wiri...

There are more topics in the pulldown on the right

I remember when Ford used Red or Black for both battery cables... They
always matched though...