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Oh, no, it's that new technology again! http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/201...-a-motorcycle- its-a-carcycle/#7285-5 |
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On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:22:14 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
Oh, no, it's that new technology again! http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/201...-a-motorcycle- its-a-carcycle/#7285-5 This is the kind of crap Wayne was talking about. You are trolling for an argument. You going to be part of the solution, or the problem? |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
... Oh, no, it's that new technology again! http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/201...-a-motorcycle- its-a-carcycle/#7285-5 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Much better for the electric technology. But I am not going to ride/drive one. I used to ride motorcycles, but at least you may have a chance of surviving a crash, but this thing is worse than a Smart Car for safety. Even if the body stands up to the crash, you are going to have most every bone broken even if you survive. My complaint is the push to say an electric car is going to replace the standard vehicle. Lack of range, government subsidies to the excess ala Tesla, and the fact that most electric cars will be small and have limited carrying capacity. A nice city car, but who can afford $30k+ for a 2nd car for the local trips? Buy a lot of gas or diesel for the money. Especially if you figure the time value of the money. |
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On Sep 11, 3:07*pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:22:14 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: Oh, no, it's that new technology again! http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/201...-a-motorcycle- its-a-carcycle/#7285-5 This is the kind of crap Wayne was talking about. *You are trolling for an argument. *You going to be part of the solution, or the problem? Gee, seems like it's YOU that's trolling for an argument. I simply posted about some very cool new technology. Point it out on....recIMSTUPIDANDDONTKNOW****FROMPUTTY NOT here. You're as bad as that dumb ass Herring. |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:40:51 -0400, BAR wrote:
The more fish you catch with your boat the cheaper the fish become. === There you go, once again reminding me of my cost per fish. :) They've all be fun and memorable however, and the 8 or 9 Mahi Mahi have been very tasty. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:40:51 -0400, BAR wrote: The more fish you catch with your boat the cheaper the fish become. === There you go, once again reminding me of my cost per fish. :) They've all be fun and memorable however, and the 8 or 9 Mahi Mahi have been very tasty. ------------------------------------------------------ Yep, I'll certainly never forget my $416,158.00 tuna. |
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On 9/12/2012 2:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:40:51 -0400, BAR wrote: The more fish you catch with your boat the cheaper the fish become. === There you go, once again reminding me of my cost per fish. :) They've all be fun and memorable however, and the 8 or 9 Mahi Mahi have been very tasty. ------------------------------------------------------ Yep, I'll certainly never forget my $416,158.00 tuna. Sounds like you got pirated. |
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says... In article , says... Oh, no, it's that new technology again! http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/201...-a-motorcycle- its-a-carcycle/#7285-5 Amortize the cost of the vehicle into that cost to go 200 miles. The more fish you catch with your boat the cheaper the fish become. As with any new technology, there are improvements to be done. Do you still read by candle light? When kerosene lamps were up and coming, kerosene was expensive, and more dangerous than a candle. |
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"Meyer" wrote in message eb.com... On 9/12/2012 2:31 AM, Eisboch wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:40:51 -0400, BAR wrote: The more fish you catch with your boat the cheaper the fish become. === There you go, once again reminding me of my cost per fish. :) They've all be fun and memorable however, and the 8 or 9 Mahi Mahi have been very tasty. ------------------------------------------------------ Yep, I'll certainly never forget my $416,158.00 tuna. Sounds like you got pirated. ----------------------------- By a Polish pirate no less. |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:31:36 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:40:51 -0400, BAR wrote: The more fish you catch with your boat the cheaper the fish become. === There you go, once again reminding me of my cost per fish. :) They've all be fun and memorable however, and the 8 or 9 Mahi Mahi have been very tasty. ------------------------------------------------------ Yep, I'll certainly never forget my $416,158.00 tuna. === My tuna was less than that (I think), but he was smaller than yours as I recall. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:31:36 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:40:51 -0400, BAR wrote: The more fish you catch with your boat the cheaper the fish become. === There you go, once again reminding me of my cost per fish. :) They've all be fun and memorable however, and the 8 or 9 Mahi Mahi have been very tasty. ------------------------------------------------------ Yep, I'll certainly never forget my $416,158.00 tuna. === My tuna was less than that (I think), but he was smaller than yours as I recall. ----------------------- For those involved in the catch, it gets bigger every year. :-) |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... In article , says... Oh, no, it's that new technology again! http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/201...-a-motorcycle- its-a-carcycle/#7285-5 Amortize the cost of the vehicle into that cost to go 200 miles. The more fish you catch with your boat the cheaper the fish become. As with any new technology, there are improvements to be done. Do you still read by candle light? When kerosene lamps were up and coming, kerosene was expensive, and more dangerous than a candle. Electric cars have not advanced in 100 years. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/evtech.shtml |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:17:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:31:36 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:40:51 -0400, BAR wrote: The more fish you catch with your boat the cheaper the fish become. === There you go, once again reminding me of my cost per fish. :) They've all be fun and memorable however, and the 8 or 9 Mahi Mahi have been very tasty. ------------------------------------------------------ Yep, I'll certainly never forget my $416,158.00 tuna. === My tuna was less than that (I think), but he was smaller than yours as I recall. ----------------------- For those involved in the catch, it gets bigger every year. :-) ==== Fish story alert, fish story alert ! Man the battle stations... |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:19:34 -0400, BAR wrote:
Electric cars have not advanced in 100 years. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/evtech.shtml === That's not entirely true. Battery technology has advanced a lot, and the Volt is a much more comfortable, faster, safer and luxurious car than anything that existed 100 years ago. I'd buy one now if the price was more in line. Remind me to post a picture of my neighbors electric boat one of these days. It looks better and better every time the price of fuel goes up. |
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In article ,
says... On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:19:34 -0400, BAR wrote: Electric cars have not advanced in 100 years. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/evtech.shtml === That's not entirely true. Battery technology has advanced a lot, and the Volt is a much more comfortable, faster, safer and luxurious car than anything that existed 100 years ago. I'd buy one now if the price was more in line. I am married to a battery expert. The battery materials have changed but the basic properties of a battery have not changed. We first started riding horses without saddles and then with saddles. The horse didn't change but, the ride was more comfortable. Remind me to post a picture of my neighbors electric boat one of these days. It looks better and better every time the price of fuel goes up. That would be interesting to see. |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:41:23 -0400, BAR wrote:
The battery materials have changed but the basic properties of a battery have not changed. === Power to weight ratios have certainly improved a great deal, as has longevity. I've always thought of both as being "properties" but perhaps not. |
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In article ,
says... On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:19:34 -0400, BAR wrote: Electric cars have not advanced in 100 years. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/evtech.shtml === That's not entirely true. Battery technology has advanced a lot, and the Volt is a much more comfortable, faster, safer and luxurious car than anything that existed 100 years ago. I'd buy one now if the price was more in line. Remind me to post a picture of my neighbors electric boat one of these days. It looks better and better every time the price of fuel goes up. But that's not what FOX told him.... |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:19:34 -0400, BAR wrote: Electric cars have not advanced in 100 years. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/evtech.shtml === That's not entirely true. Battery technology has advanced a lot, and the Volt is a much more comfortable, faster, safer and luxurious car than anything that existed 100 years ago. I'd buy one now if the price was more in line. I am married to a battery expert. The battery materials have changed but the basic properties of a battery have not changed. We first started riding horses without saddles and then with saddles. The horse didn't change but, the ride was more comfortable. Remind me to post a picture of my neighbors electric boat one of these days. It looks better and better every time the price of fuel goes up. That would be interesting to see. So? |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:19:34 -0400, BAR wrote: Electric cars have not advanced in 100 years. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/evtech.shtml === That's not entirely true. Battery technology has advanced a lot, and the Volt is a much more comfortable, faster, safer and luxurious car than anything that existed 100 years ago. I'd buy one now if the price was more in line. Remind me to post a picture of my neighbors electric boat one of these days. It looks better and better every time the price of fuel goes up. But that's not what FOX told him.... What advances in batteries have we made in the last 100 years? You put energy in and you take energy out. |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:19:34 -0400, BAR wrote: Electric cars have not advanced in 100 years. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/evtech.shtml === That's not entirely true. Battery technology has advanced a lot, and the Volt is a much more comfortable, faster, safer and luxurious car than anything that existed 100 years ago. I'd buy one now if the price was more in line. Remind me to post a picture of my neighbors electric boat one of these days. It looks better and better every time the price of fuel goes up. But that's not what FOX told him.... What advances in batteries have we made in the last 100 years? Reduced weight, higher power. Think Li. Carbon based nanotube ultracapacitors, and on and on. http://www.technologyreview.com/news...ecent-battery- advances/ http://www.technologyreview.com/news...ies-charge-up/ |
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:45:30 -0400, BAR wrote:
What advances in batteries have we made in the last 100 years? You put energy in and you take energy out. ==== That's what batteries do of course - store energy for use at a later time. How do you propose to advance that? Energy stored per pound has advanced a lot. If you don't believe that, take a look at the latest generation of cordless tools or laptop computers. Being able to store energy at a reasonable cost and weight is key to making electric vehicles practical. Although the Volt is not yet the ideal electric car, it is a step forward. Internal combustion engines started off slowly also. Take a look at the automotive engines of 100 years ago vs what we have today. |
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:18:08 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:45:30 -0400, BAR wrote: What advances in batteries have we made in the last 100 years? You put energy in and you take energy out. ==== That's what batteries do of course - store energy for use at a later time. How do you propose to advance that? Energy stored per pound has advanced a lot. If you don't believe that, take a look at the latest generation of cordless tools or laptop computers. Being able to store energy at a reasonable cost and weight is key to making electric vehicles practical. Although the Volt is not yet the ideal electric car, it is a step forward. Internal combustion engines started off slowly also. Take a look at the automotive engines of 100 years ago vs what we have today. The Tesla is quite the technological car though! === The Tesla is a fine example of what you can do if cost is no object. Since they are in a high end specialty market there is not a lot of pressure to lower the cost but it's nice to see an example of what is doable. |
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On Thursday, September 13, 2012 10:43:29 AM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:45:30 -0400, BAR wrote: What advances in batteries have we made in the last 100 years? You put energy in and you take energy out. ==== That's what batteries do of course - store energy for use at a later time. How do you propose to advance that? Energy stored per pound has advanced a lot. If you don't believe that, take a look at the latest generation of cordless tools or laptop computers. I fly R/C. The advances in batteries (Li-Po and Li-Ion), and in the electric motors and their controllers, have enabled electric airplanes to be competetive performance-wise with their glow fuel powered counterparts. The downside is the need to re-charge after every flight, and the cost. You can buy a glow motor and a lot of fuel for the cost of a motor, controller, batteries, and special charger. |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:19:34 -0400, BAR wrote: Electric cars have not advanced in 100 years. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/evtech.shtml === That's not entirely true. Battery technology has advanced a lot, and the Volt is a much more comfortable, faster, safer and luxurious car than anything that existed 100 years ago. I'd buy one now if the price was more in line. Remind me to post a picture of my neighbors electric boat one of these days. It looks better and better every time the price of fuel goes up. But that's not what FOX told him.... What advances in batteries have we made in the last 100 years? Reduced weight, higher power. Think Li. Carbon based nanotube ultracapacitors, and on and on. http://www.technologyreview.com/news...ecent-battery- advances/ http://www.technologyreview.com/news...ies-charge-up/ I've heard it all before. I know all about charging and discharging cycles and issues. The materials may have improved but, the basic battery is still the same. You charge it, you discharge it, you charge it and the cycle keeps repeating until the battery wears out. |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:45:30 -0400, BAR wrote: What advances in batteries have we made in the last 100 years? You put energy in and you take energy out. ==== That's what batteries do of course - store energy for use at a later time. How do you propose to advance that? Energy stored per pound has advanced a lot. If you don't believe that, take a look at the latest generation of cordless tools or laptop computers. Being able to store energy at a reasonable cost and weight is key to making electric vehicles practical. Although the Volt is not yet the ideal electric car, it is a step forward. Internal combustion engines started off slowly also. Take a look at the automotive engines of 100 years ago vs what we have today. The Tesla is quite the technological car though! It has a battery and electric motors. |
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On 9/13/2012 7:51 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:19:34 -0400, BAR wrote: Electric cars have not advanced in 100 years. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/evtech.shtml === That's not entirely true. Battery technology has advanced a lot, and the Volt is a much more comfortable, faster, safer and luxurious car than anything that existed 100 years ago. I'd buy one now if the price was more in line. Remind me to post a picture of my neighbors electric boat one of these days. It looks better and better every time the price of fuel goes up. But that's not what FOX told him.... What advances in batteries have we made in the last 100 years? Reduced weight, higher power. Think Li. Carbon based nanotube ultracapacitors, and on and on. http://www.technologyreview.com/news...ecent-battery- advances/ http://www.technologyreview.com/news...ies-charge-up/ I've heard it all before. I know all about charging and discharging cycles and issues. The materials may have improved but, the basic battery is still the same. You charge it, you discharge it, you charge it and the cycle keeps repeating until the battery wears out. Or catches on fire. |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:18:08 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:45:30 -0400, BAR wrote: What advances in batteries have we made in the last 100 years? You put energy in and you take energy out. ==== That's what batteries do of course - store energy for use at a later time. How do you propose to advance that? Energy stored per pound has advanced a lot. If you don't believe that, take a look at the latest generation of cordless tools or laptop computers. Being able to store energy at a reasonable cost and weight is key to making electric vehicles practical. Although the Volt is not yet the ideal electric car, it is a step forward. Internal combustion engines started off slowly also. Take a look at the automotive engines of 100 years ago vs what we have today. The Tesla is quite the technological car though! === The Tesla is a fine example of what you can do if cost is no object. Since they are in a high end specialty market there is not a lot of pressure to lower the cost but it's nice to see an example of what is doable. But again, as the technology surfaces, cost goes down. You would have thought that withe 100 years of effort you wouldn't run into the bricking problem. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/au...tery-Failures- Make-Bricking-a-Buzzword.html?pagewanted=all http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-ent...1-107k-fisker- karma-bricks-during-testing |
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:54:12 -0400, BAR wrote:
The Tesla is quite the technological car though! It has a battery and electric motors. === Bert, I think I remember hearing you say that you played golf? If so perhaps you should avoid using one of those horrible electric golf carts. You never know when the batteries will discharge themselves, catch fire, explode, "brick" or whatever. Be safe, walk the course. :-) |
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says... On 9/13/2012 7:51 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:19:34 -0400, BAR wrote: Electric cars have not advanced in 100 years. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/evtech.shtml === That's not entirely true. Battery technology has advanced a lot, and the Volt is a much more comfortable, faster, safer and luxurious car than anything that existed 100 years ago. I'd buy one now if the price was more in line. Remind me to post a picture of my neighbors electric boat one of these days. It looks better and better every time the price of fuel goes up. But that's not what FOX told him.... What advances in batteries have we made in the last 100 years? Reduced weight, higher power. Think Li. Carbon based nanotube ultracapacitors, and on and on. http://www.technologyreview.com/news...ecent-battery- advances/ http://www.technologyreview.com/news...ies-charge-up/ I've heard it all before. I know all about charging and discharging cycles and issues. The materials may have improved but, the basic battery is still the same. You charge it, you discharge it, you charge it and the cycle keeps repeating until the battery wears out. Or catches on fire. Some people tried to take some Priuses and turn them into all electric vehicles. Those were the ones that exploded. The weren't controlling the charge rate to the Lion batteries and they went boom. |
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On 9/13/2012 4:51 PM, BAR wrote:
The materials may have improved but, the basic battery is still the same. You charge it, you discharge it, you charge it and the cycle keeps repeating until the battery wears out. Tide comes in... tide goes out... do you have a point? |
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On 9/13/2012 4:56 PM, BAR wrote:
You would have thought that withe 100 years of effort you wouldn't run into the bricking problem. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/au...tery-Failures- Make-Bricking-a-Buzzword.html?pagewanted=all Q. Can this problem be prevented? A. Yes. Electric vehicles can use fail-safe systems, with multiple features to guard against full discharge, said Tom Gage, chief executive of EV Grid, a company focusing on energy exchange between E.V.s and the electric grid. They include the ability to isolate the battery from any loads (other than monitoring) when the charge gets low, use of a backup 12-volt battery and a separate “wake-up” function, sometimes using an external 9-volt battery, that can restart the vehicle’s systems. “At this point, the battery must be slow-charged back to health, but it is fully recoverable,” Mr. Gage said. http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-ent...1-107k-fisker- karma-bricks-during-testing That's not an unrecoverable battery failure, it's an undefined breakdown. |
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In article , lid says...
On 9/13/2012 4:56 PM, BAR wrote: You would have thought that withe 100 years of effort you wouldn't run into the bricking problem. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/au...tery-Failures- Make-Bricking-a-Buzzword.html?pagewanted=all Q. Can this problem be prevented? A. Yes. Electric vehicles can use fail-safe systems, with multiple features to guard against full discharge, said Tom Gage, chief executive of EV Grid, a company focusing on energy exchange between E.V.s and the electric grid. They include the ability to isolate the battery from any loads (other than monitoring) when the charge gets low, use of a backup 12-volt battery and a separate ?wake-up? function, sometimes using an external 9-volt battery, that can restart the vehicle?s systems. ?At this point, the battery must be slow-charged back to health, but it is fully recoverable,? Mr. Gage said. For the price of the vehicle you would have thought that the manufacturer would have done this already. http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-ent...1-107k-fisker- karma-bricks-during-testing That's not an unrecoverable battery failure, it's an undefined breakdown. A brick is a brick. |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:19:34 -0400, BAR wrote: Electric cars have not advanced in 100 years. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/evtech.shtml === That's not entirely true. Battery technology has advanced a lot, and the Volt is a much more comfortable, faster, safer and luxurious car than anything that existed 100 years ago. I'd buy one now if the price was more in line. Remind me to post a picture of my neighbors electric boat one of these days. It looks better and better every time the price of fuel goes up. But that's not what FOX told him.... What advances in batteries have we made in the last 100 years? Reduced weight, higher power. Think Li. Carbon based nanotube ultracapacitors, and on and on. http://www.technologyreview.com/news...ecent-battery- advances/ http://www.technologyreview.com/news...ies-charge-up/ I've heard it all before. I know all about charging and discharging cycles and issues. The materials may have improved but, the basic battery is still the same. You charge it, you discharge it, you charge it and the cycle keeps repeating until the battery wears out. That's like saying that automobiles are the same as they were when Henry first built one. Hey, the still have internal combustion engines, so using your analogy, they must still be the same! |
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