On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:24:17 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:56 -0400, Meyer wrote:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cape-w...--finance.html


Maybe they should talk to the Dutch who are getting out of the
offshore wind business.

"the Dutch government says offshore wind power is too expensive and
that it cannot afford to subsidize the entire cost of 18 cents per
kilowatt hour -- some 4.5 billion euros last year."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1JM20111116

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A lot depends on the cost and availability of fossil fuels. Every
large windmill is approximately the equivalent of a 2,000 horsepower
diesel engine. A diesel of that size burns about 100 gallons per
hour or about $400/hour at today's prices. If the price of fossil
energy doubles as it very likely will within the next 5 years, maybe
less, the whole equation changes. A war in the middle east could
change things almost over night.

Another important point mentioned in the Reuters article is that the
price of offshore windmills is much higher than on shore because of
higher construction and maintenance costs. On shore windmills are
highly cost effective right now as long as energy transmission
infrastructure and capacity are locally available. A lot of the
"environmental" resistance could be overcome if people were given
incentives such as a substantial price break on electricity if within
"x" amount of distance from a windmill. I've seen some substantial
wind farms in both Iowa and upstate NY, and the aesthetics are really
not bad at all, actually kind of interesting. The locals that I've
spoken with in Iowa had nothing but good things to say about them.

On 9/4/2012 2:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:24:17 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:56 -0400, Meyer wrote:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cape-w...--finance.html


Maybe they should talk to the Dutch who are getting out of the
offshore wind business.

"the Dutch government says offshore wind power is too expensive and
that it cannot afford to subsidize the entire cost of 18 cents per
kilowatt hour -- some 4.5 billion euros last year."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1JM20111116

===

A lot depends on the cost and availability of fossil fuels. Every
large windmill is approximately the equivalent of a 2,000 horsepower
diesel engine. A diesel of that size burns about 100 gallons per
hour or about $400/hour at today's prices. If the price of fossil
energy doubles as it very likely will within the next 5 years, maybe
less, the whole equation changes. A war in the middle east could
change things almost over night.

Another important point mentioned in the Reuters article is that the
price of offshore windmills is much higher than on shore because of
higher construction and maintenance costs. On shore windmills are
highly cost effective right now as long as energy transmission
infrastructure and capacity are locally available. A lot of the
"environmental" resistance could be overcome if people were given
incentives such as a substantial price break on electricity if within
"x" amount of distance from a windmill. I've seen some substantial
wind farms in both Iowa and upstate NY, and the aesthetics are really
not bad at all, actually kind of interesting. The locals that I've
spoken with in Iowa had nothing but good things to say about them.


Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.

On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.


http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/

Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I
remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have
only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the
town according to the reviews...

In article , says...

On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.


http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/

Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I
remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have
only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the
town according to the reviews...

You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud.

http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk

http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.


http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/

Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I
remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have
only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the
town according to the reviews...

You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud.

http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk

http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/

Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW
talking about clean coal.

If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad
but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they
are paying you enough to put the turbines there.

Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first
hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than
the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well,
nothing.

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it
a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe
a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said
though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all
the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring
noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.


http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/

Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I
remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I
have
only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the
town according to the reviews...

You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud.

http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk

http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/

Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW
talking about clean coal.

If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad
but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they
are paying you enough to put the turbines there.

Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first
hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than
the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well,
nothing.
---------------------------
Depends on the design. I live in sight of Altamont Pass. The older
turbines are noisy. They are removing lots of the older smaller units and
putting in the big 300' diameter generators. Part of the problem with the
older faster ones is the bird kills. Do a Google on bird kills and wind
farms. Lots of the enviros are very down on the farms for this very reason.
Lots of the problem is it is raptors getting killed as most of the land is
open grazing land and lots of ground squirrels to attract the Raptors,
Golden Eagles especially. the other problem is wind speed. They shut them
down when the wind is blowing too fast as well as not fast enough.

On 9/5/2012 3:43 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.


http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/

Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I
remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have
only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the
town according to the reviews...

You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud.

http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk

http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/

Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW
talking about clean coal.

If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad
but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they
are paying you enough to put the turbines there.


Most of the comments I have seen are skeptical as to any return at all
from the Mill in Templeton Mass... Like I said, it's usually locked down
and stationary whenever I am there for weekends..

On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:52:06 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Most of the comments I have seen are skeptical as to any return at all
from the Mill in Templeton Mass... Like I said, it's usually locked down
and stationary whenever I am there for weekends..

===

Do yourself a favor and visit one of the large wind farms before
making snap judgements. I've seen several that were very impressive
and the people that lived near them had no issues. Here is one of
them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZZ-6uIKa0o

The background noise that you hear is wind on the microphone.

On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:52:06 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 9/5/2012 3:43 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.


http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/

Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I
remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have
only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the
town according to the reviews...

You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud.

http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk

http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/

Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW
talking about clean coal.

If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad
but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they
are paying you enough to put the turbines there.


Most of the comments I have seen are skeptical as to any return at all
from the Mill in Templeton Mass... Like I said, it's u sually locked down
and stationary whenever I am there for weekends..

I am from Iowa, the number one windmill state on a per capita basis,
[third in numbers, after CA and TX]. I have listened to them and
standing almost under them , you hear a not very loud whoosh as each
blade goes by. Comparable to one foot waves breaking on the shore. I
like the sound of wind, and windmills, when present, just blend in
with the hiss of the wind in the leaves or waves on the beach, afater
a while you don't even notice if there is else competing for
attention. Just got back from the family lakeshore place where I can
see half a dozen windmills, visually and on radar. The first two,
rather small, ones in the state are in Spirit Lake at the high school,
which is selling juice at a net profit.