http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cape-w...--finance.html

On 9/4/2012 1:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:56 -0400, Meyer wrote:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cape-w...--finance.html


Maybe they should talk to the Dutch who are getting out of the
offshore wind business.

"the Dutch government says offshore wind power is too expensive and
that it cannot afford to subsidize the entire cost of 18 cents per
kilowatt hour -- some 4.5 billion euros last year."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1JM20111116



What? Do you mean a country who embraced the technology now has found
that it isn't up to it? Do you think Loogie will even read this? Either
way, this puts to bed any questions he has for me as to my own opinion
on wind and solar... Neither will work until new technology is found,
AND we stop wasting money building the stuff we have now, that we
already know doesn't work...

In article , says...

On 9/4/2012 1:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:56 -0400, Meyer wrote:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cape-w...--finance.html


Maybe they should talk to the Dutch who are getting out of the
offshore wind business.

"the Dutch government says offshore wind power is too expensive and
that it cannot afford to subsidize the entire cost of 18 cents per
kilowatt hour -- some 4.5 billion euros last year."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1JM20111116



What? Do you mean a country who embraced the technology now has found
that it isn't up to it? Do you think Loogie will even read this? Either
way, this puts to bed any questions he has for me as to my own opinion
on wind and solar... Neither will work until new technology is found,
AND we stop wasting money building the stuff we have now, that we
already know doesn't work...

WTF does "OFFSHORE" have to do with wind energy in general, dip****? And
do tell, moron, just what aspect of wind energy "doesn't work"?

NY states?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_New_York

California's?

http://www.energy.ca.gov/wind/overview.html

Texas?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Texas

In other words, you either let your insanity guide you, or you are
really stupid.

On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:24:17 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:56 -0400, Meyer wrote:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cape-w...--finance.html


Maybe they should talk to the Dutch who are getting out of the
offshore wind business.

"the Dutch government says offshore wind power is too expensive and
that it cannot afford to subsidize the entire cost of 18 cents per
kilowatt hour -- some 4.5 billion euros last year."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1JM20111116

===

A lot depends on the cost and availability of fossil fuels. Every
large windmill is approximately the equivalent of a 2,000 horsepower
diesel engine. A diesel of that size burns about 100 gallons per
hour or about $400/hour at today's prices. If the price of fossil
energy doubles as it very likely will within the next 5 years, maybe
less, the whole equation changes. A war in the middle east could
change things almost over night.

Another important point mentioned in the Reuters article is that the
price of offshore windmills is much higher than on shore because of
higher construction and maintenance costs. On shore windmills are
highly cost effective right now as long as energy transmission
infrastructure and capacity are locally available. A lot of the
"environmental" resistance could be overcome if people were given
incentives such as a substantial price break on electricity if within
"x" amount of distance from a windmill. I've seen some substantial
wind farms in both Iowa and upstate NY, and the aesthetics are really
not bad at all, actually kind of interesting. The locals that I've
spoken with in Iowa had nothing but good things to say about them.

On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:31:07 -0400, JustWait wrote:

On 9/4/2012 1:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:56 -0400, Meyer wrote:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cape-w...--finance.html


Maybe they should talk to the Dutch who are getting out of the
offshore wind business.

"the Dutch government says offshore wind power is too expensive and
that it cannot afford to subsidize the entire cost of 18 cents per
kilowatt hour -- some 4.5 billion euros last year."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1JM20111116



What? Do you mean a country who embraced the technology now has found
that it isn't up to it? Do you think Loogie will even read this? Either
way, this puts to bed any questions he has for me as to my own opinion
on wind and solar... Neither will work until new technology is found,
AND we stop wasting money building the stuff we have now, that we
already know doesn't work...

FWIW, Denmark, a great user of windmills, is also scaling back big time. This according to my Dutch
friend.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:03:03 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 9/4/2012 1:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:56 -0400, Meyer wrote:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cape-w...--finance.html


Maybe they should talk to the Dutch who are getting out of the
offshore wind business.

"the Dutch government says offshore wind power is too expensive and
that it cannot afford to subsidize the entire cost of 18 cents per
kilowatt hour -- some 4.5 billion euros last year."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1JM20111116



What? Do you mean a country who embraced the technology now has found
that it isn't up to it? Do you think Loogie will even read this? Either
way, this puts to bed any questions he has for me as to my own opinion
on wind and solar... Neither will work until new technology is found,
AND we stop wasting money building the stuff we have now, that we
already know doesn't work...

WTF does "OFFSHORE" have to do with wind energy in general, dip****? And
do tell, moron, just what aspect of wind energy "doesn't work"?

NY states?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_New_York

California's?

http://www.energy.ca.gov/wind/overview.html

Texas?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Texas

In other words, you either let your insanity guide you, or you are
really stupid.


The thread was about Cape Wind.

No, Scotty's position is and was that wind and solar "don't work".

On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 15:49:08 -0400, gfretwell wrote:


I agree that onshore wind turbines are a lot better than anything in
salt water but we own boats, we know about salt water.

There are still noise and bird kill issues.. It does seem to be a high
paying job maintaining these things as long as hanging on a rope a few
hundred feet in the air is not a problem for you.
I am curious what the maintenance costs will be over time. These things
seem to be very fragile according to that show the Weather Channel
dropped in last week.

At least here on the East Coast, off shore is where the wind is. As for
bird kills, while unfortunate, compare the numbers to habitat loss of
open pit mining and such. As an aside, I use to work on an oil rig in
the Baltimore Canyon. I remember during migration, we would literally
fill 5 gallon buckets of dead birds, mostly small warblers, daily. I
can't remember if there was a storm that blew them out there, but most
of them flew there last mile. We were 100 miles off AC.

On 9/4/2012 2:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:24:17 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:56 -0400, Meyer wrote:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cape-w...--finance.html


Maybe they should talk to the Dutch who are getting out of the
offshore wind business.

"the Dutch government says offshore wind power is too expensive and
that it cannot afford to subsidize the entire cost of 18 cents per
kilowatt hour -- some 4.5 billion euros last year."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1JM20111116

===

A lot depends on the cost and availability of fossil fuels. Every
large windmill is approximately the equivalent of a 2,000 horsepower
diesel engine. A diesel of that size burns about 100 gallons per
hour or about $400/hour at today's prices. If the price of fossil
energy doubles as it very likely will within the next 5 years, maybe
less, the whole equation changes. A war in the middle east could
change things almost over night.

Another important point mentioned in the Reuters article is that the
price of offshore windmills is much higher than on shore because of
higher construction and maintenance costs. On shore windmills are
highly cost effective right now as long as energy transmission
infrastructure and capacity are locally available. A lot of the
"environmental" resistance could be overcome if people were given
incentives such as a substantial price break on electricity if within
"x" amount of distance from a windmill. I've seen some substantial
wind farms in both Iowa and upstate NY, and the aesthetics are really
not bad at all, actually kind of interesting. The locals that I've
spoken with in Iowa had nothing but good things to say about them.


Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.

On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.


http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/

Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I
remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have
only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the
town according to the reviews...