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says...

On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.

It's more insane right wing bull****. I've been near the ones on
Altamont Pass in CA, never heard a noise from them. I have a relative on
a farm in western PA where they have them now, and no noise.

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On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.


http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/

Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I
remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have
only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the
town according to the reviews...

You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud.

http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk

http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/

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says...

On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.


http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/

Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I
remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have
only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the
town according to the reviews...

You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud.

http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk

http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/

Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW
talking about clean coal.

If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad
but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they
are paying you enough to put the turbines there.

Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first
hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than
the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well,
nothing.

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In article ,
says...

On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it
a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe
a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said
though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all
the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring
noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.


http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/

Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I
remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I
have
only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the
town according to the reviews...

You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud.

http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk

http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/

Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW
talking about clean coal.

If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad
but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they
are paying you enough to put the turbines there.

Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first
hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than
the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well,
nothing.
---------------------------
Depends on the design. I live in sight of Altamont Pass. The older
turbines are noisy. They are removing lots of the older smaller units and
putting in the big 300' diameter generators. Part of the problem with the
older faster ones is the bird kills. Do a Google on bird kills and wind
farms. Lots of the enviros are very down on the farms for this very reason.
Lots of the problem is it is raptors getting killed as most of the land is
open grazing land and lots of ground squirrels to attract the Raptors,
Golden Eagles especially. the other problem is wind speed. They shut them
down when the wind is blowing too fast as well as not fast enough.

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On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.

It's more insane right wing bull****. I've been near the ones on
Altamont Pass in CA, never heard a noise from them. I have a relative on
a farm in western PA where they have them now, and no noise.

---------------------------------------------------------
the ones on Altamont are noisy if you are close. Especially the older ones.
If you fish or boat Bethany Reservoir you will be up close and personal with
the turbines.

On 9/5/2012 3:43 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.


http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/

Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I
remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I have
only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the
town according to the reviews...

You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud.

http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk

http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/

Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW
talking about clean coal.

If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad
but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they
are paying you enough to put the turbines there.


Most of the comments I have seen are skeptical as to any return at all
from the Mill in Templeton Mass... Like I said, it's usually locked down
and stationary whenever I am there for weekends..

On 9/5/2012 5:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen
it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile
maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said
though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there
all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring
noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.


http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/

Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I
remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I
have
only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the
town according to the reviews...

You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud.

http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk

http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/

Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW
talking about clean coal.

If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad
but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they
are paying you enough to put the turbines there.

Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first
hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than
the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well,
nothing.
---------------------------
Depends on the design. I live in sight of Altamont Pass. The older
turbines are noisy. They are removing lots of the older smaller units
and putting in the big 300' diameter generators. Part of the problem
with the older faster ones is the bird kills. Do a Google on bird
kills and wind farms. Lots of the enviros are very down on the farms
for this very reason. Lots of the problem is it is raptors getting
killed as most of the land is open grazing land and lots of ground
squirrels to attract the Raptors, Golden Eagles especially. the other
problem is wind speed. They shut them down when the wind is blowing too
fast as well as not fast enough.


In other words, they aren't up to it.. Something I have been saying for
years..

On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:52:06 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Most of the comments I have seen are skeptical as to any return at all
from the Mill in Templeton Mass... Like I said, it's usually locked down
and stationary whenever I am there for weekends..

===

Do yourself a favor and visit one of the large wind farms before
making snap judgements. I've seen several that were very impressive
and the people that lived near them had no issues. Here is one of
them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZZ-6uIKa0o

The background noise that you hear is wind on the microphone.

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On 9/5/2012 5:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen
it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile
maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said
though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there
all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring
noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.


http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/

Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I
remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I
have
only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the
town according to the reviews...

You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud.

http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk

http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/

Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW
talking about clean coal.

If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad
but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they
are paying you enough to put the turbines there.

Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first
hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than
the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well,
nothing.
---------------------------
Depends on the design. I live in sight of Altamont Pass. The older
turbines are noisy. They are removing lots of the older smaller units
and putting in the big 300' diameter generators. Part of the problem
with the older faster ones is the bird kills. Do a Google on bird
kills and wind farms. Lots of the enviros are very down on the farms
for this very reason. Lots of the problem is it is raptors getting
killed as most of the land is open grazing land and lots of ground
squirrels to attract the Raptors, Golden Eagles especially. the other
problem is wind speed. They shut them down when the wind is blowing too
fast as well as not fast enough.


In other words, they aren't up to it.. Something I have been saying for
years..


---------------------------------
They are up to it, but they are not going to replace a very big percentage
of our power requirements.

On 9/6/2012 12:13 AM, Califbill wrote:
"JustWait" wrote in message ...

On 9/5/2012 5:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:22:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 9/5/2012 1:06 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:13:52 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Well, there is one up by one of our practice tracks. I have seen
it a
dozen times, only once was it actually running and that day, it
was
annoying as hell with the noise.. and it's nearly a half mile
maybe a
mile as the crow flies to the mill from the track. Like I said
though,
most times, it's not moving even though there is windy up there
all the
time.

===

How big was it?

The small, fast turning wind generators like you see on cruising
boats, roof tops and small towers can make an annoying whirring
noise.
The big wind farms however use very large towers with slow turning
blades over 100 ft long. They are almost silent in my experience.


http://tuesdaysintempleton.com/2010/...-templeton-ma/

Yes, I know the rave reviews don't complain about the noise, but I
remember it made a thump, thump, thump as it ran that day. Again, I
have
only seen it run once, not really sure if it's doing anything for the
town according to the reviews...

You're insane. Either that or FOX told you they were loud.

http://www.gereports.com/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0v9_zV2uk

http://www.smallwindtips.com/2009/12...urbine-really/

Hmmm GE says wind turbines don't make noise. That is like the UMW
talking about clean coal.

If you live in the big city and are used to noise, they are not bad
but there is a noise. I am sure it is something you can ignore if they
are paying you enough to put the turbines there.

Did you notice there are other links as well? Again, I also have first
hand experience. Usually the prevailing winds make much more noise than
the turbines. Did you watch the video? That's what I heard as well,
nothing.
---------------------------
Depends on the design. I live in sight of Altamont Pass. The older
turbines are noisy. They are removing lots of the older smaller units
and putting in the big 300' diameter generators. Part of the problem
with the older faster ones is the bird kills. Do a Google on bird
kills and wind farms. Lots of the enviros are very down on the farms
for this very reason. Lots of the problem is it is raptors getting
killed as most of the land is open grazing land and lots of ground
squirrels to attract the Raptors, Golden Eagles especially. the other
problem is wind speed. They shut them down when the wind is blowing too
fast as well as not fast enough.


In other words, they aren't up to it.. Something I have been saying for
years..


---------------------------------
They are up to it, but they are not going to replace a very big
percentage of our power requirements.


I dunno, I am getting the impression the more I look that they are
creating more maintenance jobs, than electricity... I will look into it
a bit more but I really don't hear a lot about successful "farms" and
most times when I see them in the northeast, they are not moving. Just
sayin'.