On Aug 20, 9:53*pm, Tim wrote:
Here's a really good reason why I haven't attempted to go boating this
year.

Lakes and rivers are too low for comfort. Not much more disgruntling
than snagging a lower end on rocks or a stump.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/drou...0/mississippi-...

We were in St. Louis this Saturday and crossing the 'bridge' you could
see the barges on the banks of the "Mighty Miss." almost as if they
had been beached.

There's a couple public landings in view when crossing the river on
I-64 that are usually crammed full of trucks and boat trailers. I
think we counted 5 in one and 3 in another. Mostly short single axle
types, which would indicate small, shallow draft fishing boats.

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)

On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
governor of Florida.



--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

Have any evidence of that really happening? I didn't think so.....

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
governor of Florida.

Have any evidence of that really happening? I didn't think so.....

On 8/21/2012 8:34 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
CIC.




Nice crowd you hang out with.

On 8/21/2012 10:02 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 8/21/2012 8:34 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
CIC.




Nice crowd you hang out with.

You mean, nice fairytale you wrote there...LOL..

On 8/21/12 10:14 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 8/21/2012 10:02 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 8/21/2012 8:34 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
CIC.




Nice crowd you hang out with.

You mean, nice fairytale you wrote there...LOL..


Unlike you, Psycho Scotty, I've actually known some people of
significance, good and not so good, in my lifetime. You on the other
hand have known no one of significance.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/21/12 10:14 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 8/21/2012 10:02 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 8/21/2012 8:34 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
CIC.




Nice crowd you hang out with.

You mean, nice fairytale you wrote there...LOL..


Unlike you, Psycho Scotty, I've actually known some people of
significance, good and not so good, in my lifetime. You on the other
hand have known no one of significance.

How do you know that?

"self praise sucks" Harry Krause, 2012.

In article m,
says...

On 8/21/2012 8:34 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
CIC.




Nice crowd you hang out with.

Nah, it's all bull****, as usual.

On 8/21/12 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:34:43 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/21/12 8:08 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:27:42 -0400, wrote:

I live in shallow water land so that doesn't scare me but hitting
bottom here is just mud and maybe oysters, not a sunken Buick with
Jimmy Hoffa in the trunk.

===

That's because your water is not deep enough for a Buick. :-)


Jimmy Hoffa wouldn't be caught dead in the trunk of a Buick. Jimmy drove
a Pontiac at the time of his disappearance. The feds claimed he had been
in Chuckie O'Brien's car, a Merc, on the day he disappeared, but that
was based on finding a strand of his hair in the car. There was no
indication when that hair found its way into the car.

I had met Hoffa sometime in 1967 before he went to prison. A friend of
mine in DC who was working for the old Washington Star knew that and
when Hoffa disappeared, he called me for a quote. It was sort of a joke,
since I didn't know Hoffa very well. Fortunately or unfortunately, my
quote found its way into the paper and I was kidded about it for years
by my labor union friends.

I did know several of Hoffa's successors as Teamster president fairly
well. Among these were Roy Williams, who I had interviewed several times
when he was a "rising thug" within the IBT and worked out of Kansas
City, and Jackie Presser. As crooked as these fellows were, however,
they were paragons of virtue compared to the thug who is the current
governor of Florida.

I used to see Hoffa all the time.

Presser was the guy that ratted him out to the feds after being a
virtual adopted son. He was actually the guy who did most of the
things Hoffa went to jail for. Him and Fitz were both crooks, more so
than Hoffa.



The same weekend an article about Presser appeared in the New York
Times, I got a call on a Sunday morning from him. My wife at that time
answered, and she had just finished reading the article. She was a tad
nervous when she handed me the phone. This was back when the IBT was
trying to organize farm workers out from under Cesar Chavez. Presser was
not yet IBT president, but he was close. He wanted me to handle the
marketing and PR for the campaign. I turned him down. Interestingly, the
contract the IBT was negotiating for the farmworkers it represented was
much stronger than what Chavez was getting. The IBT had more clout. But
Chavez was a favorite of the powers that were at the AFL-CIO and his
group was an affiliate, so I wouldn't touch *that* campaign with a
50-foot pole.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.