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OT Semantics of "2-cycle" versus "2-stroke"
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Reciprocation requires that something move repetitively in a linear motion. Like half the posters in this thread, you mean? -- Honda CB400 Four Triumph Street Triple Ducati 800SS Yamaha 660 Tenere Suzuki GN250, TS250ERx2 So many bikes, so little garage space.... chateau dot murray at idnet dot com |
OT Semantics of "2-cycle" versus "2-stroke"
On 8/5/12 8:54 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
wrote: Reciprocation requires that something move repetitively in a linear motion. Like half the posters in this thread, you mean? Ahh...you've met iboatererererererererererer. :) -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
OT Semantics of "2-cycle" versus "2-stroke"
"Beav" wrote in message ...
"John Doe" wrote in message ... I'm looking at gas/petrol stabilizers, Sea Foam and STA-BIL. On their FAQ page, both of them refer to a "2-stroke" engine as a "2-cycle" engine. Uhg. It's only semantics, but you would think that those manufacturers would know the difference between a "stroke" and a "cycle". Per Merriam-Webster... stroke: the movement in either direction of a mechanical part (as a piston) having a reciprocating motion; also : the distance of such movement cycle: a course or series of events or operations that recur regularly and usually lead back to the starting point "2-stroke" "4-stroke" engine About 3,270,000 results "2-cycle" "4-cycle" engine About 427,000 results (0.48 seconds) Using "cycle" is not a big deal for casual speakers, but besides being less popular, it's semantical nonsense. I see it in quite simple terms. A 2 stroke engine requires the piston to travel 2 full strokes to complete the cycle needed to get the gas in and the gas out (induction, compression, power, exhaust) and be ready to do it all again to continue running. A 4 stroke requires 4 strokes of the piston to do the same thing. 2 cycle is wrong, 4 cycle is wrong. -- Beav ----------------------------------------------------------- Nope, 4 cycles are not wrong, or 2 cycles as they are described. 4 cycle or 4 strokes. First cycle / first stroke is one down movement of the piston for the intake cycle. 2nd cycle / 2nd stroke is one up movement of the piston for the compression cycle. 3rd cycle / 3rd stroke is one down movement of the piston for the power cycle as the gas is ignited and expands. 4th cycle / 4th stroke is one up movement of the piston for the exhaust cycle to purge the old burned gases. |
OT Semantics of "2-cycle" versus "2-stroke"
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helps greatly with technical discussion. Maybe this poster's lack of ability to properly post here is the same reason why he is unable to comprehend relatively simple technical things like the difference between a "stroke" and a "cycle". "Califbill" bmckee nospamix.netcom.com wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!border3.nntp.dca.giga news.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.gig anews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.gigane ws.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTE D!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:51:40 -0500 From: "Califbill" bmckee nospamix.netcom.com Newsgroups: rec.boats,rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.dirt References: jvfnkl$n92$1 dont-email.me 3sqTr.421121$I_.400339 fx28.am4 In-Reply-To: 3sqTr.421121$I_.400339 fx28.am4 Subject: OT Semantics of "2-cycle" versus "2-stroke" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:51:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Message-ID: JMKdnYIx4I-xvoLNnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d earthlink.com Lines: 61 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.245.151.151 X-Trace: sv3-d5e0dWeGyqh7i6+W2O3PfqGaQ7bAE+21FL3ri6VwZ8gfnToCvB KN+idsJs3Lr/zp2OoibjHYFTsMQeW!/uAymUtnq+dLx1QspOVUns7gnfFhv4VZXwQbeo56paQSaLbwzWK JvRKalesP4AtsQk12X5DuuENj!v5g70sNkH4GGHaYYmqUTqdnW yI9YQa2A X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3312 Xref: mx04.eternal-september.org rec.boats:210200 rec.motorcycles:99617 rec.motorcycles.dirt:18820 "Beav" wrote in message news:3sqTr.421121$I_.400339 fx28.am4... "John Doe" jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote in message news:jvfnkl$n92$1 dont-email.me... I'm looking at gas/petrol stabilizers, Sea Foam and STA-BIL. On their FAQ page, both of them refer to a "2-stroke" engine as a "2-cycle" engine. Uhg. It's only semantics, but you would think that those manufacturers would know the difference between a "stroke" and a "cycle". Per Merriam-Webster... stroke: the movement in either direction of a mechanical part (as a piston) having a reciprocating motion; also : the distance of such movement cycle: a course or series of events or operations that recur regularly and usually lead back to the starting point "2-stroke" "4-stroke" engine About 3,270,000 results "2-cycle" "4-cycle" engine About 427,000 results (0.48 seconds) Using "cycle" is not a big deal for casual speakers, but besides being less popular, it's semantical nonsense. I see it in quite simple terms. A 2 stroke engine requires the piston to travel 2 full strokes to complete the cycle needed to get the gas in and the gas out (induction, compression, power, exhaust) and be ready to do it all again to continue running. A 4 stroke requires 4 strokes of the piston to do the same thing. 2 cycle is wrong, 4 cycle is wrong. -- Beav ----------------------------------------------------------- Nope, 4 cycles are not wrong, or 2 cycles as they are described. 4 cycle or 4 strokes. First cycle / first stroke is one down movement of the piston for the intake cycle. 2nd cycle / 2nd stroke is one up movement of the piston for the compression cycle. 3rd cycle / 3rd stroke is one down movement of the piston for the power cycle as the gas is ignited and expands. 4th cycle / 4th stroke is one up movement of the piston for the exhaust cycle to purge the old burned gases. |
OT Semantics of "2-cycle" versus "2-stroke"
On 8/5/2012 9:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Beav" wrote in message ... "John Doe" wrote in message ... I'm looking at gas/petrol stabilizers, Sea Foam and STA-BIL. On their FAQ page, both of them refer to a "2-stroke" engine as a "2-cycle" engine. Uhg. It's only semantics, but you would think that those manufacturers would know the difference between a "stroke" and a "cycle". Per Merriam-Webster... stroke: the movement in either direction of a mechanical part (as a piston) having a reciprocating motion; also : the distance of such movement cycle: a course or series of events or operations that recur regularly and usually lead back to the starting point "2-stroke" "4-stroke" engine About 3,270,000 results "2-cycle" "4-cycle" engine About 427,000 results (0.48 seconds) Using "cycle" is not a big deal for casual speakers, but besides being less popular, it's semantical nonsense. I see it in quite simple terms. A 2 stroke engine requires the piston to travel 2 full strokes to complete the cycle needed to get the gas in and the gas out (induction, compression, power, exhaust) and be ready to do it all again to continue running. A 4 stroke requires 4 strokes of the piston to do the same thing. 2 cycle is wrong, 4 cycle is wrong. Hey guys, I stripped the crossthread out of this one. The thread was a troll to this group and two motorcycle groups, probably by someone I may have been ignoring here lately snerk Please stop crossposting it, let it die the quick death it deserves... |
OT Semantics of "2-cycle" versus "2-stroke"
On 8/6/12 5:21 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 8/5/2012 8:54 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote: wrote: Reciprocation requires that something move repetitively in a linear motion. Like half the posters in this thread, you mean? I warned you folks earlier. The guy(s) who are crossposting this are well known trolls from another group.. If you must amuse them, please strip the cross thread out.. Carry on if you wish, RMR The best known troll in rec.boats is you, JustWait. -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
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OT Semantics of "2-cycle" versus "2-stroke"
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 09:09:55 -0400, Meyer wrote:
On 8/4/2012 8:43 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 8/4/12 7:30 AM, J. Clarke wrote: In article m, says... On 8/3/2012 6:39 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 8/3/12 5:51 PM, JustWait wrote: On 8/3/2012 4:47 PM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... David T. Ashley dashley gmail.com wrote: John Doe wrote: I'm looking at gas/petrol stabilizers, Sea Foam and STA-BIL. On their FAQ page, both of them refer to a "2-stroke" engine as a "2-cycle" engine. Uhg. It's only semantics, but you would think that those manufacturers would know the difference between a "stroke" and a "cycle". Per Merriam-Webster... stroke: the movement in either direction of a mechanical part (as a piston) having a reciprocating motion; also : the distance of such movement cycle: a course or series of events or operations that recur regularly and usually lead back to the starting point "2-stroke" "4-stroke" engine About 3,270,000 results "2-cycle" "4-cycle" engine About 427,000 results (0.48 seconds) Using "cycle" is not a big deal for casual speakers, but besides being less popular, it's semantical nonsense. I believe that using "4-stroke cycle" is more correct than either 4-stroke or 4-cycle. It takes 4 strokes to make a cycle. I'm not talking about technical correctness, I'm referring to a significant semantical blunder. What matters is the number of strokes per cycle. The number of cycles is irrelevant. At least you aren't calling them motors. "like" Motor is an acceptable synonym for engine. Maybe to you it is. I think you're going to make little progress convincing motorcyclists that the thing that powers their motorcycles is not a motor. There are too many objects and entities that use "engine" and "motor" as synonyms for motor not to be an acceptable term for engine and vice versa. General Motors, Ford Motor Company, outboard motor, Bavarian Motor Works, et cetera. Acceptable is not a synonym for correct. What is the technical definition of "motor?" |
OT Semantics of "2-cycle" versus "2-stroke"
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