On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:37:51 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:54:42 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:21:05 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:53:59 -0700, jps wrote:

Most of our electric power in the NW is produced by hydro. And we do
not have a big air conditioning demands during the summer.

Electric vehicles will be very good for the NW.

That is probably true but those mountains will play hell with that 40
mile range thing.

Most people in the US get their power from coal and in spite of the
glossy ads, it is still a dirty way to get electricity.
Natural gas is a viable alternative but this fracking thing has
everyone freaked. In real life it is a minuscule number of wells with
problems, compared to the number fracked but it does make for
compelling TV.
I suppose if we didn't mind paying 50 cents a KWH for solar power like
the Germans do, we could do that. I just doubt the average American is
that gullible. I pay more like 11-12 now.

If your health care costs were 90% lower, you might not mind paying 4X
for electricity.

My family insurance premiums, including dental, are nearly $20K/anum,
without copays or deductibles. I'm putting $6K into an FSA this year
that will cover the rest.

If a bullfrog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass all the time either.

Where was there EVER a plan to cut health care costs by 90%?

If you mean Germany you need to look at the whole tax load, not just
the energy taxes,

I'm talking about single payer, universal health care.

The 10% would cover your Viagra.

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:38:59 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:41:02 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:37:51 -0400, wrote:


If your health care costs were 90% lower, you might not mind paying 4X
for electricity.

My family insurance premiums, including dental, are nearly $20K/anum,
without copays or deductibles. I'm putting $6K into an FSA this year
that will cover the rest.

If a bullfrog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass all the time either.

Where was there EVER a plan to cut health care costs by 90%?

If you mean Germany you need to look at the whole tax load, not just
the energy taxes,

I'm talking about single payer, universal health care.


The German system is not single payer.

True. It's unversal health care, administered by the government but
funded by both taxes and employer/employee contributions.

Low wage workers are exempted from the health insurance taxes.

On 7/18/12 7:13 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:38:59 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:41:02 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:37:51 -0400, wrote:


If your health care costs were 90% lower, you might not mind paying 4X
for electricity.

My family insurance premiums, including dental, are nearly $20K/anum,
without copays or deductibles. I'm putting $6K into an FSA this year
that will cover the rest.

If a bullfrog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass all the time either.

Where was there EVER a plan to cut health care costs by 90%?

If you mean Germany you need to look at the whole tax load, not just
the energy taxes,

I'm talking about single payer, universal health care.


The German system is not single payer.

True. It's unversal health care, administered by the government but
funded by both taxes and employer/employee contributions.

Low wage workers are exempted from the health insurance taxes.


Lots of countries have universal health care, but we don't. Further, for
a number of illnesses and for the indigent, the waiting periods to get
into a publicly funded facility can run a half year or more. In the
Seattle area, for example, there hardly is any help available for the
indigent facing serious mental health issues.

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:26:58 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

In the
Seattle area, for example, there hardly is any help available for the
indigent facing serious mental health issues.

========

That appears to be true in Maryland also.

On 7/18/12 11:28 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:26:58 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

In the
Seattle area, for example, there hardly is any help available for the
indigent facing serious mental health issues.

========

That appears to be true in Maryland also.


Next time you are in Maryland, I'm sure my wife can find you a therapist
who charges on a sliding scale. It's always "the right" that pokes fun
at the indigent population, like that in Seattle, who can't get medical
services. Assholes, all of you.

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says...

On 7/18/12 11:28 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:26:58 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

In the
Seattle area, for example, there hardly is any help available for the
indigent facing serious mental health issues.

========

That appears to be true in Maryland also.


Next time you are in Maryland, I'm sure my wife can find you a therapist
who charges on a sliding scale. It's always "the right" that pokes fun
at the indigent population, like that in Seattle, who can't get medical
services. Assholes, all of you.

WHOOOOOSH.............

On 7/19/2012 6:50 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/18/12 11:28 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:26:58 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

In the
Seattle area, for example, there hardly is any help available for the
indigent facing serious mental health issues.

========

That appears to be true in Maryland also.


Next time you are in Maryland, I'm sure my wife can find you a therapist
who charges on a sliding scale. It's always "the right" that pokes fun
at the indigent population, like that in Seattle, who can't get medical
services. Assholes, all of you.

Wayne's fine. You're the one that needs a shrink. Anyone know a good one
in Maryland?

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:38:59 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:41:02 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:37:51 -0400, wrote:


If your health care costs were 90% lower, you might not mind paying 4X
for electricity.

My family insurance premiums, including dental, are nearly $20K/anum,
without copays or deductibles. I'm putting $6K into an FSA this year
that will cover the rest.

If a bullfrog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass all the time either.

Where was there EVER a plan to cut health care costs by 90%?

If you mean Germany you need to look at the whole tax load, not just
the energy taxes,

I'm talking about single payer, universal health care.


The German system is not single payer.

True. It's unversal health care, administered by the government but
funded by both taxes and employer/employee contributions.

Low wage workers are exempted from the health insurance taxes.

They may be exempted from paying it but it is part of their total
compensation. If they were exempted the employers would have to pay them
more so that they could pay the "tax."