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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:18:19 -0700 (PDT), Tim
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Most don't think of that, Richard. Electric power stations are fairly
maxing as it is to keep up with today's electrical demands, especially
for this boiling hot summers air conditioning. Honestly with people
trying to stay cool, I'm surprised there hasn't been power outages in
my area, and we have very reliable service.


They make the projections based on people charging their car overnight
but they also start talking about a charging station in front of every
parking place at work ... oops.

Talk about paying for parking. Those charging stations all cost money
regardless of where they are located. If you pay with your credit card
you are going to incur a 4% additional cost.

Yeah, we should all just stick our heads in the sand, and pay the price
for foreign crude, rape the landscape for oil sands, keep our polluting,
stinking old technology cars. That's the ticket.

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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:13:03 -0400, iBoaterer
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http://www.sfgate.com/business/artic...Smooth-silent-
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"Model S prices range all the way from $57,400 to $105,400 before
state and federal incentives. The silver sedan I tried would cost
about $70,000."

Yeah this is a car for the masses.

Make sure you read up on the "bricking" problem that Tesla's have.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/au...tery-Failures-
Make-Bricking-a-Buzzword.html?pagewanted=all

And no gasoline cars have problems right? You do realize don't you,
that
this is new technology, R&D is ongoing.

What sort of new technology have you invested in?

Actually quite a bit. Most of my stocks are in technology.

YOU NEED TO DIVERSIFY

Um, I never said that all of my investable money is in stocks..... What
I said, and you failed to comprehend is that most of my STOCKS are in
technology. Look at NENE for one.
--------------------------------------
IMO You are a fool to have most of your stocks in tech.

Why? Most "fools" are too stupid to understand that oil is a very finite
resource and we MUST find energy somewhere else. OH, and I suppose
someone that has tech stocks like Apple, HP, NENE, etc. are fools????


-------------------------------------------------
Nope, to have most of your stocks in tech is bad. Just go back to the Tech
Bubble.

Mine are doing very well, thank you. And once again, you fail to grasp
the concept that stocks are a very small part of my investments.

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On 7/15/2012 9:49 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:13:03 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


http://www.sfgate.com/business/artic...Smooth-silent-
fast-3706414.php



"Model S prices range all the way from $57,400 to $105,400 before
state and federal incentives. The silver sedan I tried would cost
about $70,000."

Yeah this is a car for the masses.

Make sure you read up on the "bricking" problem that Tesla's have.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/au...tery-Failures-
Make-Bricking-a-Buzzword.html?pagewanted=all

And no gasoline cars have problems right? You do realize don't you,
that
this is new technology, R&D is ongoing.

What sort of new technology have you invested in?

Actually quite a bit. Most of my stocks are in technology.

YOU NEED TO DIVERSIFY

Um, I never said that all of my investable money is in stocks..... What
I said, and you failed to comprehend is that most of my STOCKS are in
technology. Look at NENE for one.

Bye now

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NENE would not be an investment. Would either be a gamble or something to
possible play with on a lark. Is a penny stock basically. Not enough to
put much real money in to it.

Hmm, did I say NENE was the only stock I invested in??

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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:02:43 -0700, "Califbill"
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NENE would not be an investment. Would either be a gamble or something to
possible play with on a lark. Is a penny stock basically. Not enough to
put much real money in to it.


If you sold it in December it was a nice trade. If you bought it in
December
"Farewell and adieu to you spanish ladies...."

It's not over yet.

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On 7/15/12 8:02 PM, Eisboch wrote:


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Oh, so the 1920's cars didn't have any problems?
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Probably less problems. Was a lot simpler car. And most trips were short
enough for a battery powered vehicle. Problem was the Model T was 1/3 the
price.

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Anyone remember "Mad" magazine with Alfred E. Neuman?

I remember reading an issue as a kid ... probably back in the late 50's.
The back page had a topic or subject that asked a question. To see
the answer, you would fold the page in thirds on vertical dotted lines.

I remember this particular issue asked what would be the "perfect"
car design, combining low cost, reliability and fuel economy,
When you folded the page to display the hidden image, there was
a picture of a Model T.



I liked the Model A's a lot more. We had a Model A V-8 rigged as a small
"derrick" to lift outboard boats off their delivery trucks and onto
dollies in the showroom. Learned to drive at a highly illegal age in the
boatyard on that truck and the jeep.

Model A had a 301 C.I. four cylinder.

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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:13:03 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:


http://www.sfgate.com/business/artic...Smooth-silent-
fast-3706414.php



"Model S prices range all the way from $57,400 to $105,400
before
state and federal incentives. The silver sedan I tried would
cost
about $70,000."

Yeah this is a car for the masses.

Make sure you read up on the "bricking" problem that Tesla's
have.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/au...tery-Failures-
Make-Bricking-a-Buzzword.html?pagewanted=all

And no gasoline cars have problems right? You do realize don't
you,
that
this is new technology, R&D is ongoing.

What sort of new technology have you invested in?

Actually quite a bit. Most of my stocks are in technology.

YOU NEED TO DIVERSIFY

Um, I never said that all of my investable money is in stocks..... What
I said, and you failed to comprehend is that most of my STOCKS are in
technology. Look at NENE for one.
--------------------------------------
IMO You are a fool to have most of your stocks in tech.

Why? Most "fools" are too stupid to understand that oil is a very finite
resource and we MUST find energy somewhere else. OH, and I suppose
someone that has tech stocks like Apple, HP, NENE, etc. are fools????


-------------------------------------------------
Nope, to have most of your stocks in tech is bad. Just go back to the
Tech
Bubble.

Mine are doing very well, thank you. And once again, you fail to grasp
the concept that stocks are a very small part of my investments.


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Unless you own lots of rental property, most investments should be in
equities.

On 7/16/2012 12:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:13:03 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:



http://www.sfgate.com/business/artic...Smooth-silent-
fast-3706414.php



"Model S prices range all the way from $57,400 to $105,400
before
state and federal incentives. The silver sedan I tried would
cost
about $70,000."

Yeah this is a car for the masses.

Make sure you read up on the "bricking" problem that Tesla's
have.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/au...tery-Failures-
Make-Bricking-a-Buzzword.html?pagewanted=all

And no gasoline cars have problems right? You do realize don't
you,
that
this is new technology, R&D is ongoing.

What sort of new technology have you invested in?

Actually quite a bit. Most of my stocks are in technology.

YOU NEED TO DIVERSIFY

Um, I never said that all of my investable money is in stocks..... What
I said, and you failed to comprehend is that most of my STOCKS are in
technology. Look at NENE for one.
--------------------------------------
IMO You are a fool to have most of your stocks in tech.

Why? Most "fools" are too stupid to understand that oil is a very finite
resource and we MUST find energy somewhere else. OH, and I suppose
someone that has tech stocks like Apple, HP, NENE, etc. are fools????


-------------------------------------------------
Nope, to have most of your stocks in tech is bad. Just go back to the
Tech
Bubble.

Mine are doing very well, thank you. And once again, you fail to grasp
the concept that stocks are a very small part of my investments.


-----------------------------------
Unless you own lots of rental property, most investments should be in
equities.

I don't think he's educable.

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On 7/15/2012 9:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 7/15/2012 8:29 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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says...

On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:13:03 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:


http://www.sfgate.com/business/artic...Smooth-silent-
fast-3706414.php



"Model S prices range all the way from $57,400 to $105,400
before
state and federal incentives. The silver sedan I tried would
cost
about $70,000."

Yeah this is a car for the masses.

Make sure you read up on the "bricking" problem that Tesla's
have.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/au...tery-Failures-
Make-Bricking-a-Buzzword.html?pagewanted=all

And no gasoline cars have problems right? You do realize don't
you,
that
this is new technology, R&D is ongoing.

What sort of new technology have you invested in?

Actually quite a bit. Most of my stocks are in technology.

YOU NEED TO DIVERSIFY

Um, I never said that all of my investable money is in stocks..... What
I said, and you failed to comprehend is that most of my STOCKS are in
technology. Look at NENE for one.
--------------------------------------
IMO You are a fool to have most of your stocks in tech.

Why? Most "fools" are too stupid to understand that oil is a very finite
resource and we MUST find energy somewhere else. OH, and I suppose
someone that has tech stocks like Apple, HP, NENE, etc. are fools????


-------------------------------------------------
Nope, to have most of your stocks in tech is bad. Just go back to the
Tech
Bubble.

Mine are doing very well, thank you. And once again, you fail to grasp
the concept that stocks are a very small part of my investments.


-----------------------------------
Unless you own lots of rental property, most investments should be in
equities.

Who told you THAT???

On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:18:19 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jul 15, 8:22*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"iBoaterer" *wrote in message

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On 7/14/2012 12:55 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 7/14/2012 11:13 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/business/artic...Smooth-silent-
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How much is it? I want one.

But it doesn't use fossil fuel, how could you possibly drive
one?
Also,
it's new technology, and in conservative's minds, that's a bad
thing.

Way ahead of you Bozo. I have 2 electric vehicles already.

Where does the electricity come from?

45% of the electricity generated in the US comes from fossil
fuels.

Yes, but the point you hard core righties fail to understand is that
the
equivalent fuel mileage is around 100 miles per gallon. If we get
off of
our asses and build more non fossil fuel electric infrastructure
that
number will go down. But stupid people are just too afraid of
getting
off of fossil fuel.

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Probably a lot less than 100 mpg. *There is loss in the lines
getting the
power to your house. *About 8% now. *Loss in the charging equipment
(heat)
and loss in the battery itself in charging. *Probably maybe 70% tops
efficiency in charging the car. *And then loss in the car
discharging the
battery. *How many KWH at the power plant required for the car to go
50
miles?

No, it's 100 mpg.

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That's an "equivalent" rating based on the average cost of electricity
as it
produced today for current usages. * *There are over 250 million cars
on the
road in the USA. * If a quarter to half of them were replaced with
electrics
that require electricity generation for charging, what do think will
happen
to the cost of electricity and to it's "equivalent" rating in terms of
mpg?

Most don't think of that, Richard. Electric power stations are fairly
maxing as it is to keep up with today's electrical demands, especially
for this boiling hot summers air conditioning. Honestly with people
trying to stay cool, I'm surprised there hasn't been power outages in
my area, and we have very reliable service.

Most of our electric power in the NW is produced by hydro. And we do
not have a big air conditioning demands during the summer.

Electric vehicles will be very good for the NW.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:01:31 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Tim" wrote in message
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On Jul 14, 5:17 pm, BAR wrote:
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says...

already.

Where does the electricity come from?

45% of the electricity generated in the US comes from fossil
fuels.

Should have been 75%.

OK, I said 65+... looks like i was a bit 'conservative' in my
guestimation.

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Natural gas, coal and petroleum are all fossil fuels and produce the
bulk of the electricity used
in the USA. Nuclear kicks in another 19 percent. Solar, wind,
geothermal sources produce
very little by comparison. There's no magic or anything particularly
"green" about battery
powered cars. The energy had to come from somewhere.

http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif

Different regions produce it differently. NW is chiefly hydro.