On 7/19/2012 6:50 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/18/12 11:28 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:26:58 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

In the
Seattle area, for example, there hardly is any help available for the
indigent facing serious mental health issues.

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That appears to be true in Maryland also.


Next time you are in Maryland, I'm sure my wife can find you a therapist
who charges on a sliding scale. It's always "the right" that pokes fun
at the indigent population, like that in Seattle, who can't get medical
services. Assholes, all of you.

Wayne's fine. You're the one that needs a shrink. Anyone know a good one
in Maryland?

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:42:23 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:01:31 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Tim" wrote in message
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On Jul 14, 5:17 pm, BAR wrote:
In article ,

says...

already.

Where does the electricity come from?

45% of the electricity generated in the US comes from fossil
fuels.

Should have been 75%.

OK, I said 65+... looks like i was a bit 'conservative' in my
guestimation.

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Natural gas, coal and petroleum are all fossil fuels and produce the
bulk of the electricity used
in the USA. Nuclear kicks in another 19 percent. Solar, wind,
geothermal sources produce
very little by comparison. There's no magic or anything particularly
"green" about battery
powered cars. The energy had to come from somewhere.

http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif

Different regions produce it differently. NW is chiefly hydro.
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I don't disagree. The numbers cited are overall national sources.
Hydro produces somewhere
around 7 percent of all the electricity generated nationally. Good
for your area but certainly
cannot support the national demand, even without a major shift to
electric cars.

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Hydro only produces 51% of the Northwets power. so there electric cars are
going to have to have more steam generating power plants. Steam via coal,
fission, NG but it is not going to be Hydro.
http://www.nwcouncil.org/maps/power/overview.htm

Over 75% in Washington.

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:30:59 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:56:48 -0700, jps wrote:

Where's hydro? Rest of the country giggles about all our rain but we
end up laughing last.

Washington is the leading hydroelectric power producer in the Nation.

Hydroelectric power accounts for nearly three-fourths of State
electricity generation.


That is a geographic anomaly that was exploited at a time before
environmentalists. The thrust now is in blowing up dams.
I doubt the US will ever build another one and certainly not anything
on the scale of the Colorado or Columbia river dams. People are trying
to restore natural river flows to protect migrating fish and
everything that depends on them.

Uh, not so. We are taking out dams that prevent salmon runs but if
you read any of the fishing news up here, you'd know that salmon are
making it up the Columbia past Rocky Reach dam and far beyond to spawn
naturally.

The dams that were constructed without proper bypass or adequate fish
ladders are being dismantled. Take a look at the map of Washington
power generation and you'll see power generation happening all the way
up the Columbia without harming the salmon runs.

On 7/20/2012 12:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:21:27 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:30:59 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:56:48 -0700, jps wrote:

Where's hydro? Rest of the country giggles about all our rain but we
end up laughing last.

Washington is the leading hydroelectric power producer in the Nation.

Hydroelectric power accounts for nearly three-fourths of State
electricity generation.


That is a geographic anomaly that was exploited at a time before
environmentalists. The thrust now is in blowing up dams.
I doubt the US will ever build another one and certainly not anything
on the scale of the Colorado or Columbia river dams. People are trying
to restore natural river flows to protect migrating fish and
everything that depends on them.

Uh, not so. We are taking out dams that prevent salmon runs but if
you read any of the fishing news up here, you'd know that salmon are
making it up the Columbia past Rocky Reach dam and far beyond to spawn
naturally.

The dams that were constructed without proper bypass or adequate fish
ladders are being dismantled. Take a look at the map of Washington
power generation and you'll see power generation happening all the way
up the Columbia without harming the salmon runs.

I am sure I can google up an article from the bark eaters that would
disagree about any dams but it is not that important to me. The fact
that it is still a geographical anomaly that you have rivers that lend
themselves to hydro is still true.


Quite frankly, there are plenty of places I can't go because the land
and resources are necessary for commerce to preserve the society. Why
can't fish and game with good populations be any different... Some
places, they just can't go anymore, it's progress, that's all...

On 7/20/12 3:29 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 7/20/2012 12:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:21:27 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:30:59 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:56:48 -0700, jps wrote:

Where's hydro? Rest of the country giggles about all our rain but we
end up laughing last.

Washington is the leading hydroelectric power producer in the Nation.

Hydroelectric power accounts for nearly three-fourths of State
electricity generation.


That is a geographic anomaly that was exploited at a time before
environmentalists. The thrust now is in blowing up dams.
I doubt the US will ever build another one and certainly not anything
on the scale of the Colorado or Columbia river dams. People are trying
to restore natural river flows to protect migrating fish and
everything that depends on them.

Uh, not so. We are taking out dams that prevent salmon runs but if
you read any of the fishing news up here, you'd know that salmon are
making it up the Columbia past Rocky Reach dam and far beyond to spawn
naturally.

The dams that were constructed without proper bypass or adequate fish
ladders are being dismantled. Take a look at the map of Washington
power generation and you'll see power generation happening all the way
up the Columbia without harming the salmon runs.

I am sure I can google up an article from the bark eaters that would
disagree about any dams but it is not that important to me. The fact
that it is still a geographical anomaly that you have rivers that lend
themselves to hydro is still true.


Quite frankly, there are plenty of places I can't go because the land
and resources are necessary for commerce to preserve the society. Why
can't fish and game with good populations be any different... Some
places, they just can't go anymore, it's progress, that's all...



Such arrogance in your ignorance. It matters if access to habitat helps
the fish survive. You...not so much.

In article , says...

On 7/20/2012 12:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:21:27 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:30:59 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:56:48 -0700, jps wrote:

Where's hydro? Rest of the country giggles about all our rain but we
end up laughing last.

Washington is the leading hydroelectric power producer in the Nation.

Hydroelectric power accounts for nearly three-fourths of State
electricity generation.


That is a geographic anomaly that was exploited at a time before
environmentalists. The thrust now is in blowing up dams.
I doubt the US will ever build another one and certainly not anything
on the scale of the Colorado or Columbia river dams. People are trying
to restore natural river flows to protect migrating fish and
everything that depends on them.

Uh, not so. We are taking out dams that prevent salmon runs but if
you read any of the fishing news up here, you'd know that salmon are
making it up the Columbia past Rocky Reach dam and far beyond to spawn
naturally.

The dams that were constructed without proper bypass or adequate fish
ladders are being dismantled. Take a look at the map of Washington
power generation and you'll see power generation happening all the way
up the Columbia without harming the salmon runs.

I am sure I can google up an article from the bark eaters that would
disagree about any dams but it is not that important to me. The fact
that it is still a geographical anomaly that you have rivers that lend
themselves to hydro is still true.


Quite frankly, there are plenty of places I can't go because the land
and resources are necessary for commerce to preserve the society. Why
can't fish and game with good populations be any different... Some
places, they just can't go anymore, it's progress, that's all...

Right, kind of like when we white people decided we were high and mighty
over the lowly native Americans and shoved them into reservations. Got
it.