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On Jul 14, 10:13*am, iBoaterer wrote:
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I can't understand why you'd come up with some type of lousy header
like "Nope, the right wing says this won't work." But ok I'll go along
with it.

i dont' know of anyone who is against owning the best bang for the
buck, but the car is average pricing of $70,000.00. I'm actually all
for technological break through's and advancements, however where is
the economical stance? Where are the recharge stations?

My Lincoln Town Car gets 23-25 mpg on the road and is paid for. I can
buy a whole lot of gasoline for $70,000 with little inconvenience.

You won't find that with an electric.

The economy doesn't come until advancement of said technology. The model
T is a very crude car, but it would cost $14,000 in today's money.
That's how technology works, expensive to start with, but the price
curve goes rapidly down. That's why I think NASA is a worthwhile program
despite it's cost.

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"Model S prices range all the way from $57,400 to $105,400 before
state and federal incentives. The silver sedan I tried would cost
about $70,000."

Yeah this is a car for the masses.

Make sure you read up on the "bricking" problem that Tesla's have.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/au...tery-Failures-
Make-Bricking-a-Buzzword.html?pagewanted=all

And no gasoline cars have problems right? You do realize don't you, that
this is new technology, R&D is ongoing.

What sort of new technology have you invested in?

Actually quite a bit. Most of my stocks are in technology.

YOU NEED TO DIVERSIFY

Don't tell him to diversify, he thinks he knows what he is doing.



More likely he isn't mostly invested in tech, even if he does actually
control his own investments.

Um, if you think so. More crazy **** in your head without any
justification, though.

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On 7/14/12 6:07 PM, BAR wrote:

45% of the electricity generated in the US comes from fossil
fuels.



Gee, does that mean 55 percent doesn't? Well, then, why do anything?

What are you righties so scared of?
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BAR was in error and corrected himself.

Using round numbers, 70 percent is from fossil fuels.
19 percent from nuclear reactors.
10 percent from solar, geothermal, wind, etc.

And that is the problem, the right wing is scared to death to wean off
of fossil fuels.
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I don't think responsible Republicans are *scared* to get off our
dependence
on fossil fuels. It's a issue of practicality and reality.
Eventually we won't
be using fossil fuels but it isn't going to happen tomorrow. Solar,
wind,
geothermal have all been in development for decades. Despite the
promise
and despite the advances and improvements, they can't come close
to meeting the energy needs even as it currently exists. Now, start
adding
millions of battery powered vehicles that need electrical power to run
and
the capacity of non-fossil energy sources to charge them becomes
miniscule.

Just like the laws of conservation of energy, we (as a technology
driven society)
have a habit of solving one problem by creating another.
Not too long ago asbestos was the greatest thing since sliced bread
for
brake linings, school floor tiles and fire retardant insulation.

Oooops!

Of course it won't happen overnight, but I just can't understand why the
right just doesn't want to explore new technology if it doesn't involve
fossil fuel.

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The fiscal conservatives are saying why is the government throwing money
at
a car only the rich can afford? If you want to crank up the electric
car
market, look at subsidies for ZAP and other cheap around town cars. Not
one
where the average purchaser has a $250,000 Adjusted Gross Income.

Again, as with all new technology, at first, it's expensive.

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New Technology? there were about 20 electric car companies in 1920. Got
30-50 miles on a charge then. How about supporting a $2000 electric car?

Yes, new technology. Compare the Tesla to those built in 1920 and get
back with me.

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comparison. Still costs 3x a gasoline car. Gets a few more miles per
charge. Still uses fossil fuel to get charged. Better looking, more
comfortable. 1920, did not get taxpayer subsidy. Nastier stuff for the
battery. Lots more fossil fuel to build the fluff that makes the car look
so cool. Still good for around town. Want to go on a 300 mile trip? Plug
in a fossil fuel powered internal combustion engine.

Again, and again, you fail to understand that new technology is
expensive at first, but then gets cheaper and cheaper. That's just the
way it is. As crude as the model T was, it would cost $14,000 in today's
dollars. That isn't cheap for something that crude.

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The fiscal conservatives are saying why is the government throwing
money
at
a car only the rich can afford? If you want to crank up the electric
car
market, look at subsidies for ZAP and other cheap around town cars.
Not
one
where the average purchaser has a $250,000 Adjusted Gross Income.

Again, as with all new technology, at first, it's expensive.

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New Technology? there were about 20 electric car companies in 1920.
Got
30-50 miles on a charge then. How about supporting a $2000 electric
car?

Yes, new technology. Compare the Tesla to those built in 1920 and get
back with me.

I couldn't find any reports about any of the 1920's cars bricking. Telsa
must be on the cutting edge of car bricking. How much you gots invested?

Oh, so the 1920's cars didn't have any problems?
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Probably less problems. Was a lot simpler car. And most trips were short
enough for a battery powered vehicle. Problem was the Model T was 1/3 the
price.

So... if the model T was a third of the price, and in today's dollars
the model T would be $14,000, that would mean that a very crudely built
electric car would be $42,000. Being how the Tesla is an engineering
marvel that gets a good distance at a staggering pace, it's not so bad
priced, eh?

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How much is it? I want one.

But it doesn't use fossil fuel, how could you possibly drive one?
Also,
it's new technology, and in conservative's minds, that's a bad thing.

Way ahead of you Bozo. I have 2 electric vehicles already.

Where does the electricity come from?

45% of the electricity generated in the US comes from fossil fuels.

Yes, but the point you hard core righties fail to understand is that the
equivalent fuel mileage is around 100 miles per gallon. If we get off of
our asses and build more non fossil fuel electric infrastructure that
number will go down. But stupid people are just too afraid of getting
off of fossil fuel.

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Probably a lot less than 100 mpg. There is loss in the lines getting the
power to your house. About 8% now. Loss in the charging equipment (heat)
and loss in the battery itself in charging. Probably maybe 70% tops
efficiency in charging the car. And then loss in the car discharging the
battery. How many KWH at the power plant required for the car to go 50
miles?

No, it's 100 mpg.

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"Model S prices range all the way from $57,400 to $105,400 before
state and federal incentives. The silver sedan I tried would cost
about $70,000."

Yeah this is a car for the masses.

Make sure you read up on the "bricking" problem that Tesla's have.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/au...tery-Failures-
Make-Bricking-a-Buzzword.html?pagewanted=all

And no gasoline cars have problems right? You do realize don't you,
that
this is new technology, R&D is ongoing.

What sort of new technology have you invested in?

Actually quite a bit. Most of my stocks are in technology.

YOU NEED TO DIVERSIFY

Um, I never said that all of my investable money is in stocks..... What
I said, and you failed to comprehend is that most of my STOCKS are in
technology. Look at NENE for one.
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IMO You are a fool to have most of your stocks in tech.

Why? Most "fools" are too stupid to understand that oil is a very finite
resource and we MUST find energy somewhere else. OH, and I suppose
someone that has tech stocks like Apple, HP, NENE, etc. are fools????

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Oh, so the 1920's cars didn't have any problems?
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Probably less problems. Was a lot simpler car. And most trips were
short
enough for a battery powered vehicle. Problem was the Model T was 1/3
the
price.

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Anyone remember "Mad" magazine with Alfred E. Neuman?

I remember reading an issue as a kid ... probably back in the late
50's.
The back page had a topic or subject that asked a question. To see
the answer, you would fold the page in thirds on vertical dotted
lines.

I remember this particular issue asked what would be the "perfect"
car design, combining low cost, reliability and fuel economy,
When you folded the page to display the hidden image, there was
a picture of a Model T.

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Anyone remember "Mad" magazine with Alfred E. Neuman?

" What, me worry?"

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Oh, so the 1920's cars didn't have any problems?
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Probably less problems. Was a lot simpler car. And most trips were short
enough for a battery powered vehicle. Problem was the Model T was 1/3 the
price.

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Anyone remember "Mad" magazine with Alfred E. Neuman?

I remember reading an issue as a kid ... probably back in the late 50's.
The back page had a topic or subject that asked a question. To see
the answer, you would fold the page in thirds on vertical dotted lines.

I remember this particular issue asked what would be the "perfect"
car design, combining low cost, reliability and fuel economy,
When you folded the page to display the hidden image, there was
a picture of a Model T.



I liked the Model A's a lot more. We had a Model A V-8 rigged as a small
"derrick" to lift outboard boats off their delivery trucks and onto
dollies in the showroom. Learned to drive at a highly illegal age in the
boatyard on that truck and the jeep.