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So, the Higgs Boson walks into a fundamentalist church.
The priest says, "We don't allow Higgs Bosons in here. The Higgs Boson says, "But without me, how can you have mass?" - - - No, I won't explain it. |
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On Thursday, July 5, 2012 5:43:29 AM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:
So, the Higgs Boson walks into a fundamentalist church. The priest says, "We don't allow Higgs Bosons in here. The Higgs Boson says, "But without me, how can you have mass?" - - - No, I won't explain it. So called fundamentalist churches don't have "mass", you dolt. And no, there is no explanation necessary; especially from an asshat as yourself. |
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On 7/5/2012 7:38 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Thursday, July 5, 2012 5:43:29 AM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote: So, the Higgs Boson walks into a fundamentalist church. The priest says, "We don't allow Higgs Bosons in here. The Higgs Boson says, "But without me, how can you have mass?" - - - No, I won't explain it. So called fundamentalist churches don't have "mass", you dolt. And no, there is no explanation necessary; especially from an asshat as yourself. That joke is funny. You didn't have to say that in front of Harry. Wassa matta wit you? |
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On Jul 5, 6:19*am, wrote:
On Thursday, July 5, 2012 5:43:29 AM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote: So, the Higgs Boson walks into a fundamentalist church. The priest says, "We don't allow Higgs Bosons in here. The Higgs Boson says, "But without me, how can you have mass?" - - - No, I won't explain it. So called fundamentalist churches don't have "mass", you dolt. * And no, there is no explanation necessary; especially from an asshat as yourself. fundamentalist churches (evangelical) don't have priests either. that is unless your episcopal or catholic, or orthodox . did i leave anything out? BTW, the joke was kinda cute. A bit tacky, but...cute! LOL! LOL! |
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5.com says... On 7/5/2012 7:19 AM, wrote: On Thursday, July 5, 2012 5:43:29 AM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote: So, the Higgs Boson walks into a fundamentalist church. The priest says, "We don't allow Higgs Bosons in here. The Higgs Boson says, "But without me, how can you have mass?" - - - No, I won't explain it. So called fundamentalist churches don't have "mass", you dolt. And no, there is no explanation necessary; especially from an asshat as yourself. Harry's joke was almost funny. Higgs Bosun might just blow the secularist movement out of the water. I'm sure Harry's wife could put him on the path of righteousness if he would only listen to her. It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. |
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On 7/5/12 7:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 5, 6:19 am, wrote: On Thursday, July 5, 2012 5:43:29 AM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote: So, the Higgs Boson walks into a fundamentalist church. The priest says, "We don't allow Higgs Bosons in here. The Higgs Boson says, "But without me, how can you have mass?" - - - No, I won't explain it. So called fundamentalist churches don't have "mass", you dolt. And no, there is no explanation necessary; especially from an asshat as yourself. fundamentalist churches (evangelical) don't have priests either. that is unless your episcopal or catholic, or orthodox . did i leave anything out? BTW, the joke was kinda cute. A bit tacky, but...cute! LOL! LOL! There are or were "fundamentalist Episcopalians." When we lived in Florida, we had swarms of evangelicals sweeping the neighborhood, looking for converts, I guess. I thought that sort of behavior was really annoying. I started a campaign to move our polling place out of an evangelical church which put up rather disgusting anti-abortion displays at election time. That campaign bore fruit, and I was hoping to get all of our county polling places out of churches and into schools and firehouses and other public facilities, where they belong, but we relocated back north before we could get the campaign rolling. Most, maybe all, of our election day polling places in southern Maryland are in public schools, and there are no politicking is allowed within a few hundred feet of the voting machines. I don't think there is anything more disgusting in "religion" than seeking converts. |
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On 7/5/12 7:45 PM, BAR wrote:
In article om, 5@ 5.com says... On 7/5/2012 7:19 AM, wrote: On Thursday, July 5, 2012 5:43:29 AM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote: So, the Higgs Boson walks into a fundamentalist church. The priest says, "We don't allow Higgs Bosons in here. The Higgs Boson says, "But without me, how can you have mass?" - - - No, I won't explain it. So called fundamentalist churches don't have "mass", you dolt. And no, there is no explanation necessary; especially from an asshat as yourself. Harry's joke was almost funny. Higgs Bosun might just blow the secularist movement out of the water. I'm sure Harry's wife could put him on the path of righteousness if he would only listen to her. It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. If you have scientific proof of "what" was there before, other than a singularity of some sort, post it. There's no evidence anywhere on earth of a supreme being, just various religious superstitions. |
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X ` Man wrote:
On 7/5/12 7:17 PM, Tim wrote: On Jul 5, 6:19 am, wrote: On Thursday, July 5, 2012 5:43:29 AM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote: So, the Higgs Boson walks into a fundamentalist church. The priest says, "We don't allow Higgs Bosons in here. The Higgs Boson says, "But without me, how can you have mass?" - - - No, I won't explain it. So called fundamentalist churches don't have "mass", you dolt. And no, there is no explanation necessary; especially from an asshat as yourself. fundamentalist churches (evangelical) don't have priests either. that is unless your episcopal or catholic, or orthodox . did i leave anything out? BTW, the joke was kinda cute. A bit tacky, but...cute! LOL! LOL! There are or were "fundamentalist Episcopalians." When we lived in Florida, we had swarms of evangelicals sweeping the neighborhood, looking for converts, I guess. I thought that sort of behavior was really annoying. I started a campaign to move our polling place out of an evangelical church which put up rather disgusting anti-abortion displays at election time. That campaign bore fruit, and I was hoping to get all of our county polling places out of churches and into schools and firehouses and other public facilities, where they belong, but we relocated back north before we could get the campaign rolling. Most, maybe all, of our election day polling places in southern Maryland are in public schools, and there are no politicking is allowed within a few hundred feet of the voting machines. I don't think there is anything more disgusting in "religion" than seeking converts. I don't care where I vote an I'm mature enough to not be offended by simple things. |
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On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote:
It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. |
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On Thursday, July 5, 2012 6:52:00 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/5/12 7:17 PM, Tim wrote: On Jul 5, 6:19 am, wrote: On Thursday, July 5, 2012 5:43:29 AM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote: So, the Higgs Boson walks into a fundamentalist church. The priest says, "We don't allow Higgs Bosons in here. The Higgs Boson says, "But without me, how can you have mass?" - - - No, I won't explain it. So called fundamentalist churches don't have "mass", you dolt. And no, there is no explanation necessary; especially from an asshat as yourself. fundamentalist churches (evangelical) don't have priests either. that is unless your episcopal or catholic, or orthodox . did i leave anything out? BTW, the joke was kinda cute. A bit tacky, but...cute! LOL! LOL! There are or were "fundamentalist Episcopalians." When we lived in Florida, we had swarms of evangelicals sweeping the neighborhood, looking for converts, I guess. I thought that sort of behavior was really annoying. I started a campaign to move our polling place out of an evangelical church which put up rather disgusting anti-abortion displays at election time. That campaign bore fruit, and I was hoping to get all of our county polling places out of churches and into schools and firehouses and other public facilities, where they belong, but we relocated back north before we could get the campaign rolling. Most, maybe all, of our election day polling places in southern Maryland are in public schools, and there are no politicking is allowed within a few hundred feet of the voting machines. I don't think there is anything more disgusting in "religion" than seeking converts. Good. It's good to see something you are afraid of. |
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On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. |
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On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. |
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On 7/7/2012 7:52 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says... On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. Time is measured from one point to another point. Without a "before" there has to be a beginning. What was the beginning? Where did the energy from the beginning come from or did it just exist in a state of no time. Only within this universe. What is south of the south pole? |
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On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says... On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote: On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. We know the effect, we don't know the cause. So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't know via religious belief. Superstition. |
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says... On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote: On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. We know the effect, we don't know the cause. So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't know via religious belief. Superstition. Nah, just a group trying to corral everyone into their beliefs to make money. |
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"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote: On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. We know the effect, we don't know the cause. So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't know via religious belief. Superstition. ---------------------------------------------------------- The problem with the "quantum fluctuation" answer is that by it's own rules, something had to exist before the Big Bang to have a quantum fluctuation *in* (thereby causing the Big Bang) "What" that "something" is or was is the key to the next step in understanding the mystery that surrounds us ... assuming of course that we all actual exist. |
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On 7/12/12 8:51 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote: On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. We know the effect, we don't know the cause. So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't know via religious belief. Superstition. ---------------------------------------------------------- The problem with the "quantum fluctuation" answer is that by it's own rules, something had to exist before the Big Bang to have a quantum fluctuation *in* (thereby causing the Big Bang) "What" that "something" is or was is the key to the next step in understanding the mystery that surrounds us ... assuming of course that we all actual exist. I'm sure about me...but...are you more than a collection of electrons here? Seriously, though (ha), the inability of man to know with certainly of the existence of a creator is reason enough to be agnostic. We believe such will remain unknown or unknowable and thus, our skepticism. It's ironic to me that so many religious fundamentalists deny evolution when so much of what they believe is the result of the evolution of religion itself. |
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On 7/11/2012 10:21 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/7/2012 7:52 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. Time is measured from one point to another point. Without a "before" there has to be a beginning. What was the beginning? Where did the energy from the beginning come from or did it just exist in a state of no time. Only within this universe. What is south of the south pole? Stand on the south pole and take 10 paces to the south. I think you will find yourself marching in place. |
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On 7/11/2012 10:19 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote: On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. Mexican food. ;-) |
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On 7/12/2012 8:20 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on- says... On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote: On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. We know the effect, we don't know the cause. So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't know via religious belief. Superstition. Nah, just a group trying to corral everyone into their beliefs to make money. Power and control through money. |
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On 7/12/2012 8:51 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote: On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. We know the effect, we don't know the cause. So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't know via religious belief. Superstition. ---------------------------------------------------------- The problem with the "quantum fluctuation" answer is that by it's own rules, something had to exist before the Big Bang to have a quantum fluctuation *in* (thereby causing the Big Bang) "What" that "something" is or was is the key to the next step in understanding the mystery that surrounds us ... assuming of course that we all actual exist. If you discover that you don't exist, can I have your Mini? |
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"X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 7/12/12 8:51 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote: On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. We know the effect, we don't know the cause. So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't know via religious belief. Superstition. ---------------------------------------------------------- The problem with the "quantum fluctuation" answer is that by it's own rules, something had to exist before the Big Bang to have a quantum fluctuation *in* (thereby causing the Big Bang) "What" that "something" is or was is the key to the next step in understanding the mystery that surrounds us ... assuming of course that we all actual exist. I'm sure about me...but...are you more than a collection of electrons here? Seriously, though (ha), the inability of man to know with certainly of the existence of a creator is reason enough to be agnostic. We believe such will remain unknown or unknowable and thus, our skepticism. It's ironic to me that so many religious fundamentalists deny evolution when so much of what they believe is the result of the evolution of religion itself. --------------------------------------------------------- Ancient humans didn't have the scientific evidence and knowledge that we have today but I think they had inquiring minds and intelligence. Without the scientific evidence it is perfectly understandable to me that various "creators" were envisioned with an evolution and embellishment of stories over the centuries. The fact is, there is still no answer of how all this came to be. I have no problem with those of "faith" who believe in a God or Creator. It's still as good of an answer as any scientific theory, so far. The stories of course are a little far-fetched, but it's part of the faith of the believers. If we survive another 1000 years (which is doubtful) imagine how our descendants will view our current beliefs and/or scientific evidence. |
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On 7/12/12 9:36 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 7/12/12 8:51 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote: On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. We know the effect, we don't know the cause. So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't know via religious belief. Superstition. ---------------------------------------------------------- The problem with the "quantum fluctuation" answer is that by it's own rules, something had to exist before the Big Bang to have a quantum fluctuation *in* (thereby causing the Big Bang) "What" that "something" is or was is the key to the next step in understanding the mystery that surrounds us ... assuming of course that we all actual exist. I'm sure about me...but...are you more than a collection of electrons here? Seriously, though (ha), the inability of man to know with certainly of the existence of a creator is reason enough to be agnostic. We believe such will remain unknown or unknowable and thus, our skepticism. It's ironic to me that so many religious fundamentalists deny evolution when so much of what they believe is the result of the evolution of religion itself. --------------------------------------------------------- Ancient humans didn't have the scientific evidence and knowledge that we have today but I think they had inquiring minds and intelligence. Without the scientific evidence it is perfectly understandable to me that various "creators" were envisioned with an evolution and embellishment of stories over the centuries. The fact is, there is still no answer of how all this came to be. I have no problem with those of "faith" who believe in a God or Creator. It's still as good of an answer as any scientific theory, so far. The stories of course are a little far-fetched, but it's part of the faith of the believers. If we survive another 1000 years (which is doubtful) imagine how our descendants will view our current beliefs and/or scientific evidence. I don't disagree. And my "problem" with religion is not that people believe in a creator...it's that many of them try to shovel their religious beliefs onto others or onto society. That's also been the "problem" with religion since religion's beginnings. |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... On 7/12/2012 8:51 AM, Eisboch wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------- The problem with the "quantum fluctuation" answer is that by it's own rules, something had to exist before the Big Bang to have a quantum fluctuation *in* (thereby causing the Big Bang) "What" that "something" is or was is the key to the next step in understanding the mystery that surrounds us ... assuming of course that we all actual exist. If you discover that you don't exist, can I have your Mini? ----------------------------------------- Sure, assuming of course that *it* exists. |
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On 7/12/2012 9:41 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/12/12 9:36 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 7/12/12 8:51 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote: On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. We know the effect, we don't know the cause. So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't know via religious belief. Superstition. ---------------------------------------------------------- The problem with the "quantum fluctuation" answer is that by it's own rules, something had to exist before the Big Bang to have a quantum fluctuation *in* (thereby causing the Big Bang) "What" that "something" is or was is the key to the next step in understanding the mystery that surrounds us ... assuming of course that we all actual exist. I'm sure about me...but...are you more than a collection of electrons here? Seriously, though (ha), the inability of man to know with certainly of the existence of a creator is reason enough to be agnostic. We believe such will remain unknown or unknowable and thus, our skepticism. It's ironic to me that so many religious fundamentalists deny evolution when so much of what they believe is the result of the evolution of religion itself. --------------------------------------------------------- Ancient humans didn't have the scientific evidence and knowledge that we have today but I think they had inquiring minds and intelligence. Without the scientific evidence it is perfectly understandable to me that various "creators" were envisioned with an evolution and embellishment of stories over the centuries. The fact is, there is still no answer of how all this came to be. I have no problem with those of "faith" who believe in a God or Creator. It's still as good of an answer as any scientific theory, so far. The stories of course are a little far-fetched, but it's part of the faith of the believers. If we survive another 1000 years (which is doubtful) imagine how our descendants will view our current beliefs and/or scientific evidence. I don't disagree. And my "problem" with religion is not that people believe in a creator...it's that many of them try to shovel their religious beliefs onto others or onto society. That's also been the "problem" with religion since religion's beginnings. A little primmer on society for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society It's not up to you to decide who pushes what. |
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"X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 7/12/12 9:36 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 7/12/12 8:51 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote: On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. We know the effect, we don't know the cause. So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't know via religious belief. Superstition. ---------------------------------------------------------- The problem with the "quantum fluctuation" answer is that by it's own rules, something had to exist before the Big Bang to have a quantum fluctuation *in* (thereby causing the Big Bang) "What" that "something" is or was is the key to the next step in understanding the mystery that surrounds us ... assuming of course that we all actual exist. I'm sure about me...but...are you more than a collection of electrons here? Seriously, though (ha), the inability of man to know with certainly of the existence of a creator is reason enough to be agnostic. We believe such will remain unknown or unknowable and thus, our skepticism. It's ironic to me that so many religious fundamentalists deny evolution when so much of what they believe is the result of the evolution of religion itself. --------------------------------------------------------- Ancient humans didn't have the scientific evidence and knowledge that we have today but I think they had inquiring minds and intelligence. Without the scientific evidence it is perfectly understandable to me that various "creators" were envisioned with an evolution and embellishment of stories over the centuries. The fact is, there is still no answer of how all this came to be. I have no problem with those of "faith" who believe in a God or Creator. It's still as good of an answer as any scientific theory, so far. The stories of course are a little far-fetched, but it's part of the faith of the believers. If we survive another 1000 years (which is doubtful) imagine how our descendants will view our current beliefs and/or scientific evidence. I don't disagree. And my "problem" with religion is not that people believe in a creator...it's that many of them try to shovel their religious beliefs onto others or onto society. That's also been the "problem" with religion since religion's beginnings. --------------------------------------------------- Frankly, I don't see anyone trying to shovel any religious doctrine down my throat and in the past 3 years I've met more people that have close to "fundamentalist" views on religion than any other time in my life. One of the surprising things I learned about musicians ... and guitar players in particular ... is the large number of them who play at their church services. I can easily come up with at least 30 people who frequent the shop weekly who are involved in this. None have ever tried to impose any religious beliefs onto me or anyone else that I know of. I haven't been in a church (for services) since Mrs.E. and I were married 42 years ago. Maybe those that know me are concerned that their church would be hit with a bolt of lightning if I ever showed up. |
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On 7/12/2012 10:12 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 7/12/12 9:36 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 7/12/12 8:51 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote: On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. We know the effect, we don't know the cause. So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't know via religious belief. Superstition. ---------------------------------------------------------- The problem with the "quantum fluctuation" answer is that by it's own rules, something had to exist before the Big Bang to have a quantum fluctuation *in* (thereby causing the Big Bang) "What" that "something" is or was is the key to the next step in understanding the mystery that surrounds us ... assuming of course that we all actual exist. I'm sure about me...but...are you more than a collection of electrons here? Seriously, though (ha), the inability of man to know with certainly of the existence of a creator is reason enough to be agnostic. We believe such will remain unknown or unknowable and thus, our skepticism. It's ironic to me that so many religious fundamentalists deny evolution when so much of what they believe is the result of the evolution of religion itself. --------------------------------------------------------- Ancient humans didn't have the scientific evidence and knowledge that we have today but I think they had inquiring minds and intelligence. Without the scientific evidence it is perfectly understandable to me that various "creators" were envisioned with an evolution and embellishment of stories over the centuries. The fact is, there is still no answer of how all this came to be. I have no problem with those of "faith" who believe in a God or Creator. It's still as good of an answer as any scientific theory, so far. The stories of course are a little far-fetched, but it's part of the faith of the believers. If we survive another 1000 years (which is doubtful) imagine how our descendants will view our current beliefs and/or scientific evidence. I don't disagree. And my "problem" with religion is not that people believe in a creator...it's that many of them try to shovel their religious beliefs onto others or onto society. That's also been the "problem" with religion since religion's beginnings. --------------------------------------------------- Frankly, I don't see anyone trying to shovel any religious doctrine down my throat and in the past 3 years I've met more people that have close to "fundamentalist" views on religion than any other time in my life. One of the surprising things I learned about musicians ... and guitar players in particular ... is the large number of them who play at their church services. I can easily come up with at least 30 people who frequent the shop weekly who are involved in this. None have ever tried to impose any religious beliefs onto me or anyone else that I know of. I haven't been in a church (for services) since Mrs.E. and I were married 42 years ago. Maybe those that know me are concerned that their church would be hit with a bolt of lightning if I ever showed up. They say that music touches the soul. |
For my good fundie friends...
On 7/12/2012 5:51 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote: On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't just happen. Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. We know the effect, we don't know the cause. So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because it is just another example of man trying to explain away what he doesn't know via religious belief. Superstition. ---------------------------------------------------------- The problem with the "quantum fluctuation" answer is that by it's own rules, something had to exist before the Big Bang to have a quantum fluctuation *in* (thereby causing the Big Bang) It is well established that time is a relativistic dimension of the universe. How do we know it to exist (as cause-effect) outside of it? |
For my good fundie friends...
On 7/12/2012 6:14 AM, Jim wrote:
On 7/11/2012 10:21 PM, thumper wrote: On 7/7/2012 7:52 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote: It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the chair-bound guy in England's view then you believe that it just happened. Hothing was there before, it just happened. There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the universe. Time is measured from one point to another point. Without a "before" there has to be a beginning. What was the beginning? Where did the energy from the beginning come from or did it just exist in a state of no time. Only within this universe. What is south of the south pole? Stand on the south pole and take 10 paces to the south. I think you will find yourself marching in place. You got it. |
For my good fundie friends...
On 7/12/2012 6:18 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 7/11/2012 10:19 PM, thumper wrote: Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation. Mexican food. ;-) Feels about right... |
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