On 7/5/12 7:02 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"jps" wrote in message news
On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 21:47:11 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

The Republican objection to abortion is not based upon morality but,
rather, on attempts to control women and their bodies.

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How about the millions of women ... Republicans and Democrats alike,
who oppose
abortion? Are they attempting to control women and their bodies?

You make no distinction between those who oppose but think it's still
a woman's choice and those who oppose and who'd make it illegal.

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Exactly my point. Neither did Harry.

Eisboch

The "right to life" movement is fatally contaminated by the huge numbers
of proponents who don't give a rat's ass about children born into
horrific poverty, or about the hypocrisy of supporting fetuses and
capital punishment, or the hypocrisy about starting wars of convenience
that end up killing thousands, hundreds of thousands or even millions.

I have no objection to honest people who oppose abortion on "moral
grounds," but who do not try to restrict the availability of abortion to
those who want one.

If you don't want an abortion, don't get one.

In the end, I believe the majority of those who oppose abortion are
trying to control women.

On 7/5/2012 7:14 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/5/12 7:02 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 21:47:11 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

The Republican objection to abortion is not based upon morality but,
rather, on attempts to control women and their bodies.

--------------------------------------------------

How about the millions of women ... Republicans and Democrats alike,
who oppose
abortion? Are they attempting to control women and their bodies?

You make no distinction between those who oppose but think it's still
a woman's choice and those who oppose and who'd make it illegal.

-----------------------------------------------

Exactly my point. Neither did Harry.

Eisboch

The "right to life" movement is fatally contaminated by the huge numbers
of proponents who don't give a rat's ass about children born into
horrific poverty, or about the hypocrisy of supporting fetuses and
capital punishment, or the hypocrisy about starting wars of convenience
that end up killing thousands, hundreds of thousands or even millions.

I have no objection to honest people who oppose abortion on "moral
grounds," but who do not try to restrict the availability of abortion to
those who want one.

If you don't want an abortion, don't get one.

In the end, I believe the majority of those who oppose abortion are
trying to control women

Well that's the way your mind works. It might be what you BELIEVE but
it's not necessarily a fact. So please don't try to pass off what gets
manipulated in your mind as fact.

You insult your readers by underestimating their intelligence.

On 7/5/2012 4:14 AM, X ` Man wrote:

In the end, I believe the majority of those who oppose abortion are
trying to control women.

Especially those opposing contraception education. If they truly wanted
to minimize abortion...

On 7/6/2012 1:59 AM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:14 AM, X ` Man wrote:

In the end, I believe the majority of those who oppose abortion are
trying to control women.

Especially those opposing contraception education. If they truly wanted
to minimize abortion...


So, because you have taken the argument to it's shallowest level, you
feel you have won and there is nothing more to discuss. How typically
liberal.

In article , says...

On 7/6/2012 1:59 AM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:14 AM, X ` Man wrote:

In the end, I believe the majority of those who oppose abortion are
trying to control women.

Especially those opposing contraception education. If they truly wanted
to minimize abortion...


So, because you have taken the argument to it's shallowest level, you
feel you have won and there is nothing more to discuss. How typically
liberal.

It's been proven that abstinence doesn't work. But, you still don't want
contraceptive education or abortion. You just want more of something
that doesn't work. How typically conservative.

On 7/6/12 7:55 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 7/6/2012 1:59 AM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:14 AM, X ` Man wrote:

In the end, I believe the majority of those who oppose abortion are
trying to control women.

Especially those opposing contraception education. If they truly wanted
to minimize abortion...


So, because you have taken the argument to it's shallowest level, you
feel you have won and there is nothing more to discuss. How typically
liberal.

It's been proven that abstinence doesn't work. But, you still don't want
contraceptive education or abortion. You just want more of something
that doesn't work. How typically conservative.



D'uh. Abstinence works, dummy. What doesn't work is the typically
"church moral" *abstinence edu-ma-cat-shun.*

What is needed in the public schools is a comprehensive sex and
relationship education program that begins, probably, in the third or
fourth grade with the simple facts of life and builds progressively so
that by the time kids are in the sixth or seventh grade and really
curious and experimenting sexually, they know precisely how to prevent
pregnancies, how to prevent transmissions of STDs, and how to get along
with others. Certainly, abstinence can be part of the teaching in such a
program. The reality is that most kids are going to have sex by their
early teens and the best thing society can do is make sure they are
equipped to handle it responsibly.

I get a kick out of the religious prigs who preach the bible and against
premarital sex. The bible is full of premarital sex and lust and among
the very young. Read the Song of Solomon, for starters. The prigs, of
course, interpret the bible to preach what they want, but what they want
is not necessarily the same as what their "good book" says or means.

In article ,
says...

On 7/6/12 7:55 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 7/6/2012 1:59 AM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:14 AM, X ` Man wrote:

In the end, I believe the majority of those who oppose abortion are
trying to control women.

Especially those opposing contraception education. If they truly wanted
to minimize abortion...


So, because you have taken the argument to it's shallowest level, you
feel you have won and there is nothing more to discuss. How typically
liberal.

It's been proven that abstinence doesn't work. But, you still don't want
contraceptive education or abortion. You just want more of something
that doesn't work. How typically conservative.



D'uh. Abstinence works, dummy. What doesn't work is the typically
"church moral" *abstinence edu-ma-cat-shun.*

What is needed in the public schools is a comprehensive sex and
relationship education program that begins, probably, in the third or
fourth grade with the simple facts of life and builds progressively so
that by the time kids are in the sixth or seventh grade and really
curious and experimenting sexually, they know precisely how to prevent
pregnancies, how to prevent transmissions of STDs, and how to get along
with others. Certainly, abstinence can be part of the teaching in such a
program. The reality is that most kids are going to have sex by their
early teens and the best thing society can do is make sure they are
equipped to handle it responsibly.

I get a kick out of the religious prigs who preach the bible and against
premarital sex. The bible is full of premarital sex and lust and among
the very young. Read the Song of Solomon, for starters. The prigs, of
course, interpret the bible to preach what they want, but what they want
is not necessarily the same as what their "good book" says or means.

I should have said that abstinence EDUCATION doesn't work.

On 7/6/12 9:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 7/6/12 7:55 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 7/6/2012 1:59 AM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:14 AM, X ` Man wrote:

In the end, I believe the majority of those who oppose abortion are
trying to control women.

Especially those opposing contraception education. If they truly wanted
to minimize abortion...


So, because you have taken the argument to it's shallowest level, you
feel you have won and there is nothing more to discuss. How typically
liberal.

It's been proven that abstinence doesn't work. But, you still don't want
contraceptive education or abortion. You just want more of something
that doesn't work. How typically conservative.



D'uh. Abstinence works, dummy. What doesn't work is the typically
"church moral" *abstinence edu-ma-cat-shun.*

What is needed in the public schools is a comprehensive sex and
relationship education program that begins, probably, in the third or
fourth grade with the simple facts of life and builds progressively so
that by the time kids are in the sixth or seventh grade and really
curious and experimenting sexually, they know precisely how to prevent
pregnancies, how to prevent transmissions of STDs, and how to get along
with others. Certainly, abstinence can be part of the teaching in such a
program. The reality is that most kids are going to have sex by their
early teens and the best thing society can do is make sure they are
equipped to handle it responsibly.

I get a kick out of the religious prigs who preach the bible and against
premarital sex. The bible is full of premarital sex and lust and among
the very young. Read the Song of Solomon, for starters. The prigs, of
course, interpret the bible to preach what they want, but what they want
is not necessarily the same as what their "good book" says or means.

I should have said that abstinence EDUCATION doesn't work.


One of the many reasons why it doesn't work is that most of those who
offer it up are hypocritical assholes and the kids know it. Another is
that sex is fun, and if practiced voluntarily and safely between teens
of approximately the same age is harmless, certainly less harmful than
the mind****ing that goes on in fundie churches and schools and
religiously based home schooling, for example.

On 7/6/2012 5:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:

I get a kick out of the religious prigs who preach the bible and against
premarital sex. The bible is full of premarital sex and lust and among
the very young. Read the Song of Solomon, for starters. The prigs, of
course, interpret the bible to preach what they want, but what they want
is not necessarily the same as what their "good book" says or means.

Not to mention that 'God' is the biggest abortionist ever. Do you have
any idea how many pregnancies naturally abort?

In article , lid says...

On 7/6/2012 5:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:

I get a kick out of the religious prigs who preach the bible and against
premarital sex. The bible is full of premarital sex and lust and among
the very young. Read the Song of Solomon, for starters. The prigs, of
course, interpret the bible to preach what they want, but what they want
is not necessarily the same as what their "good book" says or means.

Not to mention that 'God' is the biggest abortionist ever. Do you have
any idea how many pregnancies naturally abort?

Do you know how non-natural abortion occur?

http://abortioninstruments.com/