"Califbill" wrote in message
news

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A lot of those tests are to cover the health care provider's butt.
With the
litigation sharks out there looking for anything to sue over, is much
more
protective of the doctor to order extra tests.

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I thought so also for a long time but the statistics prove otherwise.
Malpractice
lawsuits certainly exist but they don't contribute to the overall
health care costs
as much as commonly thought.

It's more because most doctors are now associated with either
hospitals or health
care centers who are looking to generate as much revenue as they can
get away
with. A doctor friend of mine has told me about the pressures
brought on the
staff of doctors by these organizations to maximize insurance claims,
often for
needless or repetitive tests. You really don't need a CAT scan for a
sore throat
or a MRI for a sprained ankle.

On 7/3/12 7:30 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Califbill" wrote in message
news

------------------------------------------
A lot of those tests are to cover the health care provider's butt. With the
litigation sharks out there looking for anything to sue over, is much more
protective of the doctor to order extra tests.

----------------------------------------

I thought so also for a long time but the statistics prove otherwise.
Malpractice
lawsuits certainly exist but they don't contribute to the overall health
care costs
as much as commonly thought.

It's more because most doctors are now associated with either hospitals
or health
care centers who are looking to generate as much revenue as they can get
away
with. A doctor friend of mine has told me about the pressures brought
on the
staff of doctors by these organizations to maximize insurance claims,
often for
needless or repetitive tests. You really don't need a CAT scan for a
sore throat
or a MRI for a sprained ankle.




My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

"X ` Man" wrote in message
...



My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

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I agree.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...



"X ` Man" wrote in message
...



My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

----------------------

I agree.

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I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The
for-profit insurance that he raves about.

On 7/3/2012 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...



"X ` Man" wrote in message
...



My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

----------------------

I agree.

--------------------------------------------------
I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The
for-profit insurance that he raves about.


Many of the big unions got waivers... They won't give up anything
themselves, they expect that if everyone else does, it won't matter and
nobody will notice... I see these kind of people all the time out in the
real world. Park where they want, do what they want, think the rules are
great as long as everybody else follows them...

In article , says...

On 7/3/2012 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...



"X ` Man" wrote in message
...



My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

----------------------

I agree.

--------------------------------------------------
I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The
for-profit insurance that he raves about.


Many of the big unions got waivers... They won't give up anything
themselves, they expect that if everyone else does, it won't matter and
nobody will notice... I see these kind of people all the time out in the
real world. Park where they want, do what they want, think the rules are
great as long as everybody else follows them...

I suppose you have some evidence of that? Oh, wait, of course not. The
union waivers thing is just another of your insane rants that has no
truth to it what so ever.

On 7/3/12 12:33 PM, JustWait wrote:


Many of the big unions got waivers... They won't give up anything
themselves, they expect that if everyone else does, it won't matter and
nobody will notice... I see these kind of people all the time out in the
real world. Park where they want, do what they want, think the rules are
great as long as everybody else follows them..

One of the many reasons to be a union member is that you have an
organization doing some heavy lifting for you in terms of wages, hours,
benefits, working conditions, et cetera. Unions protect even schlumps
like you, little ****.

Oh, schlump. It's a Yiddishism...means a dull-witted, slow person, a
slob, a fool. Other Yiddishisms that suit you...schmegeggy...a
contemptible person; putz, a penis, and, of course, schlemiel, an
awkward, clumsy person, a blunderer, a born loser. Obviously, the
coiners of Yiddish met some of your ancestors.

On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...



"X ` Man" wrote in message
...



My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

----------------------

I agree.

--------------------------------------------------
I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The
for-profit insurance that he raves about.



Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are
not-for-profit organizations.

"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...



"X ` Man" wrote in message
...



My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

----------------------

I agree.

--------------------------------------------------
I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The
for-profit insurance that he raves about.



Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are
not-for-profit organizations.
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So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter
private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds
collected.

On 03/07/2012 5:56 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/3/12 7:30 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Califbill" wrote in message
news

------------------------------------------
A lot of those tests are to cover the health care provider's butt.
With the
litigation sharks out there looking for anything to sue over, is much
more
protective of the doctor to order extra tests.

----------------------------------------

I thought so also for a long time but the statistics prove otherwise.
Malpractice
lawsuits certainly exist but they don't contribute to the overall health
care costs
as much as commonly thought.

It's more because most doctors are now associated with either hospitals
or health
care centers who are looking to generate as much revenue as they can get
away
with. A doctor friend of mine has told me about the pressures brought
on the
staff of doctors by these organizations to maximize insurance claims,
often for
needless or repetitive tests. You really don't need a CAT scan for a
sore throat
or a MRI for a sprained ankle.




My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

Don't be so damned quick to the Canadian model, people die waiting,
literally. Because some bureaucrat decided on a "quota".

Remember, part of why there is a paperwork mess is legislative. Laws so
complex, people suing each other for everything....

Real answer is to re-engineer the whole system without politicians
screwing things up. Need to keep the tax greedy out of the equation,
not just the profit greedy. But you do want some economic sense at the
table.

Get some people who have lived in and used multiple systems to look at
the best and the worse of each system. Unfettered by political greed
you could get more done.


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other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay
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