On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have
a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed
a method to wellness.

Will that be the case when the government is running health care.

Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life.

How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow
better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives.

"North Star" wrote in message
...

On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote:
"thumper" wrote in ...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:

"thumper" wrote in ...
So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

--------------------------------------------------------------
What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of
doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a
couple
years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long
would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where
is
most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being
spent.
Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the
USA.
Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that
included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma
Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital,
Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign
born.
They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make
some money after years of school and then a couple years of
internship/residency.
Interesting website on torn
meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b...

You really do seem to be 'accident prone'.
Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done.
--------------------------
You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor
assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that
takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your
beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2
months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's
post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment.

"thumper" wrote in message ...

On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have
a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed
a method to wellness.

Will that be the case when the government is running health care.

Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life.

How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow
better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives.

------------------------------------
Longevity is not quality of life. My mother had quality of life for 92 of
her 96 years. My dad had quality of life for 62 of his 68 years. Bone
Cancer killed my dad. A very bad way to go. I see a lot of excess spending
on extending life for a very short time. My mom's best friend, Betty, had
Congestive Heart Failure. 94 years old, and they spent $63,000 to extend
her life 1 week. that is wrong. when someone is the far gone, why spend
excess money trying to cure the incurable? Just make them comfortable.

On 7/6/2012 11:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow
better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives.

------------------------------------
Longevity is not quality of life. My mother had quality of life for 92
of her 96 years. My dad had quality of life for 62 of his 68 years.
Bone Cancer killed my dad. A very bad way to go. I see a lot of excess
spending on extending life for a very short time. My mom's best friend,
Betty, had Congestive Heart Failure. 94 years old, and they spent
$63,000 to extend her life 1 week. that is wrong. when someone is the
far gone, why spend excess money trying to cure the incurable? Just
make them comfortable.

I agree with you regarding excessive and expensive measures when quality
of life is gone (assisted suicide, 'death panels'[family]?) but the
question remains as to how you would quantify effectiveness of a health
care system if not by longevity.

On Jul 7, 3:02*am, "Califbill" wrote:
"North Star" *wrote in message

...

On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote:









"thumper" *wrote in ...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:

"thumper" *wrote in ...
So you were happy with the status quo? *If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. *Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? *Are they smarter than us? *Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

--------------------------------------------------------------
What better results? *Long waits for less than critical care? *Lack of
doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? *I tore my meniscus a
couple
years ago. *took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. *How long
would that take in most of those better health care countries. *and where
is
most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being
spent.
Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the
USA.
Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. *Is that
included in your healthcare costs? *I spent a couple days in the trauma
Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. *Highland Hospital,
Oakland, CA. *A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign
born.
They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make
some money after years of school and then a couple years of
internship/residency.
Interesting website on torn
meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b...

You really do seem to be 'accident prone'.
Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done.
--------------------------
You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! *Where do you a poor
assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that
takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your
beer. *I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2
months of anything I consume. *Just about every post you follow up Harry's
post with a suckup comment. *You are too stupid to comment.

My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on.
Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK!

On 7/7/12 7:44 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote:
"North Star" wrote in message

...

On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote:









"thumper" wrote in ...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:

"thumper" wrote in ...
So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

--------------------------------------------------------------
What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of
doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a
couple
years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long
would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where
is
most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being
spent.
Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the
USA.
Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that
included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma
Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital,
Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign
born.
They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make
some money after years of school and then a couple years of
internship/residency.
Interesting website on torn
meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b...

You really do seem to be 'accident prone'.
Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done.
--------------------------
You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor
assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that
takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your
beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2
months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's
post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment.

My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on.
Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK!



Wow. Bilious Bill is "going Ingersoll"! Next, he'll sic his motorscooter
buddies on you.

On 7/7/2012 7:44 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote:
"North Star" wrote in message

...

On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote:









"thumper" wrote in ...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:

"thumper" wrote in ...
So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

--------------------------------------------------------------
What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of
doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a
couple
years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long
would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where
is
most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being
spent.
Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the
USA.
Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that
included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma
Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital,
Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign
born.
They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make
some money after years of school and then a couple years of
internship/residency.
Interesting website on torn
meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b...

You really do seem to be 'accident prone'.
Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done.
--------------------------
You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor
assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that
takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your
beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2
months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's
post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment.

My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on.
Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK!

You get on a lot of peoples nerves.
Bill has you pegged. Bang on in your vernacular.

On 7/7/2012 2:11 AM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have
a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed
a method to wellness.

Will that be the case when the government is running health care.

Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life.

How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow
better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives.

------------------------------------
Longevity is not quality of life. My mother had quality of life for 92
of her 96 years. My dad had quality of life for 62 of his 68 years.
Bone Cancer killed my dad. A very bad way to go. I see a lot of excess
spending on extending life for a very short time. My mom's best friend,
Betty, had Congestive Heart Failure. 94 years old, and they spent
$63,000 to extend her life 1 week. that is wrong. when someone is the
far gone, why spend excess money trying to cure the incurable? Just
make them comfortable.

Hospice care should be considered for all terminally ill patients.
There's a lot more to it than pain killing drug administration.

On 7/7/2012 3:11 AM, thumper wrote:
On 7/6/2012 11:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow
better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives.

------------------------------------
Longevity is not quality of life. My mother had quality of life for 92
of her 96 years. My dad had quality of life for 62 of his 68 years.
Bone Cancer killed my dad. A very bad way to go. I see a lot of excess
spending on extending life for a very short time. My mom's best friend,
Betty, had Congestive Heart Failure. 94 years old, and they spent
$63,000 to extend her life 1 week. that is wrong. when someone is the
far gone, why spend excess money trying to cure the incurable? Just
make them comfortable.

I agree with you regarding excessive and expensive measures when quality
of life is gone (assisted suicide, 'death panels'[family]?) but the
question remains as to how you would quantify effectiveness of a health
care system if not by longevity.

Making the longevity stastics look good has nothing to do with Quality
of life.

On Jul 7, 9:00*am, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 7/7/12 7:44 AM, North Star wrote:









On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote:
"North Star" *wrote in message

....

On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote:

"thumper" *wrote in ...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:

"thumper" *wrote in ...
So you were happy with the status quo? *If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. *Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? *Are they smarter than us? *Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

--------------------------------------------------------------
What better results? *Long waits for less than critical care? *Lack of
doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? *I tore my meniscus a
couple
years ago. *took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. *How long
would that take in most of those better health care countries. *and where
is
most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being
spent.
Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the
USA.
Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. *Is that
included in your healthcare costs? *I spent a couple days in the trauma
Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. *Highland Hospital,
Oakland, CA. *A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign
born.
They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make
some money after years of school and then a couple years of
internship/residency.
Interesting website on torn
meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b...

You really do seem to be 'accident prone'.
Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done.
--------------------------
You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! *Where do you a poor
assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that
takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your
beer. *I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2
months of anything I consume. *Just about every post you follow up Harry's
post with a suckup comment. *You are too stupid to comment.

My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on.
Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. * SNERK!

Wow. Bilious Bill is "going Ingersoll"! Next, he'll sic his motorscooter
buddies on you.

Snotties insanity seems to be contagious