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"X ` Man" wrote in message ... Which has nothing to do with the fact that "we can do better" with electricity in the future. ---------------------------------------------------------------- With the exception of nuclear power generation and the possible futuristic development of hydrogen fuel cells, there is really nothing on the horizon now or in the foreseeable future that will replace fossil fuels as being the primary source of electrical energy production. Having been involved in an industry that has seen three major spikes of solar power interest, (the first being in the late 70's), the efficiency of solar panels has gone from from about 8 percent to about 15-18 percent in the last 35 years. It needs to be triple that to be a realistic contender to replace fossil fuels. Wind? Forget it. The largest operational wind turbine (in Germany) produces 5MW of power under ideal conditions (wind speed of 30 mph). Most of the time the output is much less. The USA uses 3,741,000,000 MW/hr/yr of electrical power as things are now. That doesn't include replacing fossil fuel sources with wind generated power to charge batteries in automobiles. |
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On 6/26/12 8:55 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ... Which has nothing to do with the fact that "we can do better" with electricity in the future. ---------------------------------------------------------------- With the exception of nuclear power generation and the possible futuristic development of hydrogen fuel cells, there is really nothing on the horizon now or in the foreseeable future that will replace fossil fuels as being the primary source of electrical energy production. Having been involved in an industry that has seen three major spikes of solar power interest, (the first being in the late 70's), the efficiency of solar panels has gone from from about 8 percent to about 15-18 percent in the last 35 years. It needs to be triple that to be a realistic contender to replace fossil fuels. Wind? Forget it. The largest operational wind turbine (in Germany) produces 5MW of power under ideal conditions (wind speed of 30 mph). Most of the time the output is much less. The USA uses 3,741,000,000 MW/hr/yr of electrical power as things are now. That doesn't include replacing fossil fuel sources with wind generated power to charge batteries in automobiles. I know you of all people are not closing the door on future breakthroughs. |
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On Jun 26, 9:51*am, Oscar wrote:
On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. *If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, *we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. * The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. *It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. * Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. |
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On 6/26/2012 10:15 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. Windmills- High maintenance,low output. Kinda like you, eh? |
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On 6/26/12 10:15 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. You're taking "Oscar" too seriously. He's just another version of Snotty and maybe less. Oscar, after all, had one job in his life, a sinecure with the Navy. Snotty's probably had dozens of meaningless jobs. |
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On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote:
On Jun 26, 9:51*am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com.... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. *If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, *we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. * The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. *It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. * Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all.. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." ~snerk~ |
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On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:05:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/26/12 10:53 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says.... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com.... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." I think this is much more interesting: "Renewable energy in the United States accounted for 14.3 percent of the domestically produced electricity in the first six months of 2011.[1] Hydroelectricity is the largest producer of renewable power in the United States. In 2009, the U.S. was the world's largest producer of electricity from geothermal, solar and wind power and it trailed only China in the total production of renewable energy." Sounds like the good old USA is doing pretty well. |
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On 6/26/2012 10:53 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." ~snerk~ You mean the liberals here are making up more numbers??? LOL! |
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On 6/26/2012 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:05:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/26/12 10:53 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." I think this is much more interesting: "Renewable energy in the United States accounted for 14.3 percent of the domestically produced electricity in the first six months of 2011.[1] Hydroelectricity is the largest producer of renewable power in the United States. In 2009, the U.S. was the world's largest producer of electricity from geothermal, solar and wind power and it trailed only China in the total production of renewable energy." Sounds like the good old USA is doing pretty well. You mean the liberals are making up windmills to chase, like Global Taxing??? |
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