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On Jun 24, 8:13*am, iBoaterer wrote:
It's modern technology!! http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2RSePl/:lBqP_2kE:U! @upUCW/mashable.com/2012/06/23/tesla-model-s-factory/ I take it you're alsos aying it should be orgasmic for the left- wingers? Really...how about a boating post for once |
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:50:38 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: How did we generate the electricity to charge the batteries? Most likely natural gas at this point in time. New driling technology has enabled the domestic production of more natural gas than we can currently use. Many power plants have already converted from oil or coal and most of the rest will convert within 5 to 10 years. Compressed natural gas (CNG) is also becoming a transportation fuel but the distribution and retail infrastructure will take a lot of work and investment. What is the efficiency of the charging process? Depends on the battery technology and the charger. On balance I don't view it as being all that important. Most of us are not against electric cars, we are against stupid subsidies. I think it's safe to say that everyone is against stupid subsidies. It is not at all clear however whether or not that is the case with electric autos. Everyone agrees that battery technology is critical to long term success. If subsidies can hurry along better battery production, I view that as a good thing that will also have positive fallout in other areas like off grid energy storage. It is a huge mistake to politicize this issue in my opinion. |
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On 6/24/12 4:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:50:38 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: How did we generate the electricity to charge the batteries? Most likely natural gas at this point in time. New driling technology has enabled the domestic production of more natural gas than we can currently use. Many power plants have already converted from oil or coal and most of the rest will convert within 5 to 10 years. Compressed natural gas (CNG) is also becoming a transportation fuel but the distribution and retail infrastructure will take a lot of work and investment. What is the efficiency of the charging process? Depends on the battery technology and the charger. On balance I don't view it as being all that important. Most of us are not against electric cars, we are against stupid subsidies. I think it's safe to say that everyone is against stupid subsidies. It is not at all clear however whether or not that is the case with electric autos. Everyone agrees that battery technology is critical to long term success. If subsidies can hurry along better battery production, I view that as a good thing that will also have positive fallout in other areas like off grid energy storage. It is a huge mistake to politicize this issue in my opinion. I wonder what could be better for long-term improvement of the US economy than to take the lead in the development of battery and other alternative energy technology. Our daily auto transportation needs here are pretty limited during the work week...about 15 miles each way to the commuter bus twice a day, and then maybe another 10 miles round trip to the commercial (supermarkets, restaurants, et cetera) district. Add in some reserve, and an inexpensive but sturdy car that'll do 125-150 miles a day on a charge from a household charger would be very attractive. |
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On 6/24/2012 4:26 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/24/12 4:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:50:38 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: How did we generate the electricity to charge the batteries? Most likely natural gas at this point in time. New driling technology has enabled the domestic production of more natural gas than we can currently use. Many power plants have already converted from oil or coal and most of the rest will convert within 5 to 10 years. Compressed natural gas (CNG) is also becoming a transportation fuel but the distribution and retail infrastructure will take a lot of work and investment. What is the efficiency of the charging process? Depends on the battery technology and the charger. On balance I don't view it as being all that important. Most of us are not against electric cars, we are against stupid subsidies. I think it's safe to say that everyone is against stupid subsidies. It is not at all clear however whether or not that is the case with electric autos. Everyone agrees that battery technology is critical to long term success. If subsidies can hurry along better battery production, I view that as a good thing that will also have positive fallout in other areas like off grid energy storage. It is a huge mistake to politicize this issue in my opinion. I wonder what could be better for long-term improvement of the US economy than to take the lead in the development of battery and other alternative energy technology. Our daily auto transportation needs here are pretty limited during the work week...about 15 miles each way to the commuter bus twice a day, and then maybe another 10 miles round trip to the commercial (supermarkets, restaurants, et cetera) district. Add in some reserve, and an inexpensive but sturdy car that'll do 125-150 miles a day on a charge from a household charger would be very attractive. I think you are ready for an electric hybrid car. You have minimal needs. So the question is which one will it be for you? |
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On Jun 24, 3:07*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
I think it's safe to say that everyone is against stupid subsidies. That is, unless your the receiver of subsidies. It is a huge mistake to politicize this issue in my opinion. Agreed!!! |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:50:38 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: How did we generate the electricity to charge the batteries? Most likely natural gas at this point in time. New driling technology has enabled the domestic production of more natural gas than we can currently use. Many power plants have already converted from oil or coal and most of the rest will convert within 5 to 10 years. Compressed natural gas (CNG) is also becoming a transportation fuel but the distribution and retail infrastructure will take a lot of work and investment. What is the efficiency of the charging process? Depends on the battery technology and the charger. On balance I don't view it as being all that important. Most of us are not against electric cars, we are against stupid subsidies. I think it's safe to say that everyone is against stupid subsidies. It is not at all clear however whether or not that is the case with electric autos. Everyone agrees that battery technology is critical to long term success. If subsidies can hurry along better battery production, I view that as a good thing that will also have positive fallout in other areas like off grid energy storage. It is a huge mistake to politicize this issue in my opinion. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I think it is already politicized. As to efficiency, that is a big question and problem. We are losing about 8-10% in line loss now, just getting the power distributed. We are maximum generating capacity in a lot of areas. with the huge growth in electronics usage, we have not kept up with power generation. We use a lot of natural gas in generation but lots and lots of coal, which is a fairly dirty source. Lots of Radon gas released in mining, and we better have great scrubbers on the stacks. Most of the mercury in fish from the open ocean is from the Chinese coal burning plants. No scrubbers, and mercury is an off shoot of burning coal. Both better battery technology is required for better charging operation and for higher power density in the battery. If you use a flooded cell battery, you are going to be using tons of battery to get distance. The higher tech batteries still are going to have huge weight for enough KWH's to run a car a long distance. |
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wrote in message ... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif Eisboch |
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says... On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Oil isn't on the way out. The infrastructure is all oil based from acquisition, to refining, to distribution and finally to consumption. When you can put 8,000 gallons of gas or diesel in a tanker and take it to where you need it for 24 hour a day use in almost any weather condition batteries can't perform like that and neither can solar or wind. If people are there then the oil can get there. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Water produces electricity. Coal produces electricity. Solar produces electricity. Wind produces electricity. Oil produces electricity. Nuclear produces electricity. Electricity is a method of delivery and consumption it is not a fuel. |
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On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... |
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In article ,
says... On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:51:50 -0400, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Yes, at this time, it is. We can do better, in the future. Electricity is not a fuel now, nor will it be in the future. |
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On 6/26/12 8:03 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:51:50 -0400, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Yes, at this time, it is. We can do better, in the future. Electricity is not a fuel now, nor will it be in the future. Which has nothing to do with the fact that "we can do better" with electricity in the future. |
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On 6/25/12 8:45 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You know that because you once served as a clean-up guy after a cocktail party? |
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On 6/26/2012 8:06 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/26/12 8:03 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:51:50 -0400, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Yes, at this time, it is. We can do better, in the future. Electricity is not a fuel now, nor will it be in the future. Which has nothing to do with the fact that "we can do better" with electricity in the future. 'WE CAN DO BETTER" Sounds like a great bumper sticker for the Romney campaign. Simple yet elegant and to the point. |
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On 6/26/2012 8:10 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/25/12 8:45 PM, JustWait wrote: On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You know that because you once served as a clean-up guy after a cocktail party? You could do better. |
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In article , says...
On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? |
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says... In article , says... On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:51:50 -0400, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Yes, at this time, it is. We can do better, in the future. Electricity is not a fuel now, nor will it be in the future. We should go back further, like before the wheel was invented. Why did those ******* Neanderthals have to come up with new things? The old things were good enough. |
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On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. |
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On 6/26/2012 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... In article , says... On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:51:50 -0400, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Yes, at this time, it is. We can do better, in the future. Electricity is not a fuel now, nor will it be in the future. We should go back further, like before the wheel was invented. Why did those ******* Neanderthals have to come up with new things? The old things were good enough. Whiner! |
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"X ` Man" wrote in message ... Which has nothing to do with the fact that "we can do better" with electricity in the future. ---------------------------------------------------------------- With the exception of nuclear power generation and the possible futuristic development of hydrogen fuel cells, there is really nothing on the horizon now or in the foreseeable future that will replace fossil fuels as being the primary source of electrical energy production. Having been involved in an industry that has seen three major spikes of solar power interest, (the first being in the late 70's), the efficiency of solar panels has gone from from about 8 percent to about 15-18 percent in the last 35 years. It needs to be triple that to be a realistic contender to replace fossil fuels. Wind? Forget it. The largest operational wind turbine (in Germany) produces 5MW of power under ideal conditions (wind speed of 30 mph). Most of the time the output is much less. The USA uses 3,741,000,000 MW/hr/yr of electrical power as things are now. That doesn't include replacing fossil fuel sources with wind generated power to charge batteries in automobiles. |
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On 6/26/12 8:55 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ... Which has nothing to do with the fact that "we can do better" with electricity in the future. ---------------------------------------------------------------- With the exception of nuclear power generation and the possible futuristic development of hydrogen fuel cells, there is really nothing on the horizon now or in the foreseeable future that will replace fossil fuels as being the primary source of electrical energy production. Having been involved in an industry that has seen three major spikes of solar power interest, (the first being in the late 70's), the efficiency of solar panels has gone from from about 8 percent to about 15-18 percent in the last 35 years. It needs to be triple that to be a realistic contender to replace fossil fuels. Wind? Forget it. The largest operational wind turbine (in Germany) produces 5MW of power under ideal conditions (wind speed of 30 mph). Most of the time the output is much less. The USA uses 3,741,000,000 MW/hr/yr of electrical power as things are now. That doesn't include replacing fossil fuel sources with wind generated power to charge batteries in automobiles. I know you of all people are not closing the door on future breakthroughs. |
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On Jun 26, 9:51*am, Oscar wrote:
On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. *If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, *we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. * The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. *It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. * Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. |
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On 6/26/2012 10:15 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. Windmills- High maintenance,low output. Kinda like you, eh? |
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On 6/26/12 10:15 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. You're taking "Oscar" too seriously. He's just another version of Snotty and maybe less. Oscar, after all, had one job in his life, a sinecure with the Navy. Snotty's probably had dozens of meaningless jobs. |
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On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote:
On Jun 26, 9:51*am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com.... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. *If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, *we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. * The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. *It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. * Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all.. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." ~snerk~ |
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On 6/26/12 10:53 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." ~snerk~ How much electricity in your state comes from renewable resources? And I don't mind electricity created by burning the intestinal gas your right-wing extremist bigoted politicians/preachers emit? |
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On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:05:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/26/12 10:53 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says.... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com.... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." I think this is much more interesting: "Renewable energy in the United States accounted for 14.3 percent of the domestically produced electricity in the first six months of 2011.[1] Hydroelectricity is the largest producer of renewable power in the United States. In 2009, the U.S. was the world's largest producer of electricity from geothermal, solar and wind power and it trailed only China in the total production of renewable energy." Sounds like the good old USA is doing pretty well. |
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On 6/26/2012 10:53 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." ~snerk~ You mean the liberals here are making up more numbers??? LOL! |
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On 6/26/2012 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:05:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/26/12 10:53 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." I think this is much more interesting: "Renewable energy in the United States accounted for 14.3 percent of the domestically produced electricity in the first six months of 2011.[1] Hydroelectricity is the largest producer of renewable power in the United States. In 2009, the U.S. was the world's largest producer of electricity from geothermal, solar and wind power and it trailed only China in the total production of renewable energy." Sounds like the good old USA is doing pretty well. You mean the liberals are making up windmills to chase, like Global Taxing??? |
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, says... On Jun 26, 9:51*am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. *If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, *we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. * The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. *It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. * Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. Like most conservatives they are just against anything new. They don't realize that the future is now and we have to act to get away from the Flintstones era mentality. |
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In article ,
says... On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51*am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. *If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, *we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. * The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. *It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. * Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." ~snerk~ Does that mean that we should stop looking for alternatives to fossil fuels? Or do you think we should continue to try to develop long term solutions to the problem which IS fossil fuels? |
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On 6/26/2012 11:18 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:05:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/26/12 10:53 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." I think this is much more interesting: "Renewable energy in the United States accounted for 14.3 percent of the domestically produced electricity in the first six months of 2011.[1] Hydroelectricity is the largest producer of renewable power in the United States. In 2009, the U.S. was the world's largest producer of electricity from geothermal, solar and wind power and it trailed only China in the total production of renewable energy." Sounds like the good old USA is doing pretty well. You mean the liberals are making up windmills to chase, like Global Taxing??? More unhinged insanity! Only a total moron would think that because something isn't completely developed right away that we shouldn't be doing it. Think about when fossil fuel was being developed as an alternative to burning wood. What if those people were as narrow minded and said well, that kerosene stuff seems like a waste of time, only 14% of people have access to it right now..... |
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On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:35:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51*am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. *If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, *we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. * The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. *It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. * Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." ~snerk~ Does that mean that we should stop looking for alternatives to fossil fuels? Or do you think we should continue to try to develop long term solutions to the problem which IS fossil fuels? No, it means that bonnie was making up numbers, and even if his province got 100% of their power from windmills, it would be a tiny percentage of the power that the USA uses. It had absolutely nothing to do with your two questions. Why would you come to such an erroneous assumption? |
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On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:35:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." ~snerk~ Does that mean that we should stop looking for alternatives to fossil fuels? Or do you think we should continue to try to develop long term solutions to the problem which IS fossil fuels? No, it means that bonnie was making up numbers, and even if his province got 100% of their power from windmills, it would be a tiny percentage of the power that the USA uses. It had absolutely nothing to do with your two questions. Why would you come to such an erroneous assumption? Because it's that shrill kind of deflection that they live on... I am waiting for him to come out, screaming, hands waving in the air, "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN, WHO IS GOING TO SAVE THE CHILDREN"!!!! That's why I have him blocked now again, these people are like irrational children here... |
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... On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. --------------------------------------- You live in an area that does not require a lot of electricity. Not much manufacturing, etc. if you can get 30% of your power from wind. As to Bay of Fundy. How you going to get around the eviros to build the generating stations? |
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... On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:05:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/26/12 10:53 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." I think this is much more interesting: "Renewable energy in the United States accounted for 14.3 percent of the domestically produced electricity in the first six months of 2011.[1] Hydroelectricity is the largest producer of renewable power in the United States. In 2009, the U.S. was the world's largest producer of electricity from geothermal, solar and wind power and it trailed only China in the total production of renewable energy." Sounds like the good old USA is doing pretty well. -------------------------------- Not really. There is not another big hydroelectric generating location to build on. The Northwest is talking about taking out some of the low production, silting up dams on the Snake River as they are environmental disasters in the making as well as impeding the salmon runs. Nuclear is dead for at least 50 years after the Japanese disaster. And I do not see Fusion power generation for at least 50 years. Next year is probably the first viable fusion test at Livermore labs. But using a laser and deuterium pellets makes for probably a low overall efficiency process. We need a lot more electric generation just to keep up with all the Ipads, and phone chargers as well as the AC and heating of homes. We have brown outs in the west during heat waves now. |
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... In article , says... On 6/26/2012 11:18 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:05:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/26/12 10:53 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." I think this is much more interesting: "Renewable energy in the United States accounted for 14.3 percent of the domestically produced electricity in the first six months of 2011.[1] Hydroelectricity is the largest producer of renewable power in the United States. In 2009, the U.S. was the world's largest producer of electricity from geothermal, solar and wind power and it trailed only China in the total production of renewable energy." Sounds like the good old USA is doing pretty well. You mean the liberals are making up windmills to chase, like Global Taxing??? More unhinged insanity! Only a total moron would think that because something isn't completely developed right away that we shouldn't be doing it. Think about when fossil fuel was being developed as an alternative to burning wood. What if those people were as narrow minded and said well, that kerosene stuff seems like a waste of time, only 14% of people have access to it right now..... -------------------------------------------------------------------- I live within sight of the biggest wind farms of the USA. Lots of dead windmills, but they are replacing the older ones with giant ones. But now the complaints are that they are killing lots of birds, especially raptors. Golden Eagles especially. So now those former environmentalists who supported wind are opposing wind power. And just look at the 1% (ruling families) who shut down building a wind farm in the ocean off Cape Cod. Lots less bird kill, and lots of wind. But the view would be spoiled. |
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says... On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:35:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51*am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. *If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, *we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. * The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. *It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. * Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." ~snerk~ Does that mean that we should stop looking for alternatives to fossil fuels? Or do you think we should continue to try to develop long term solutions to the problem which IS fossil fuels? No, it means that bonnie was making up numbers, and even if his province got 100% of their power from windmills, it would be a tiny percentage of the power that the USA uses. It had absolutely nothing to do with your two questions. Why would you come to such an erroneous assumption? Because you and most conservative types here poo poo any type of new technology. I often wonder why? |
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On 6/26/2012 11:46 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:35:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:56 AM UTC-4, North Star wrote: On Jun 26, 9:51 am, Oscar wrote: On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote: On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in messagenews:e78eu79sv2re36jrsl1rshc0hoei5m8cni@4ax .com... You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a sure thing: petroleum is going out. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Not for quite a while, I don't think. Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of energy generated by other means and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the current fascination with "green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of generating the energy required to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of fossil fuels and the conversion process adds additional energy and cost requirements. Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered car have been fed a line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of being environmentally friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly" than friendly. Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they are an environmental hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience. Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is still a political hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in the USA comes from: http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...eneration_sour... Eisboch All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used in the interim. Oil is on its way out. Period. Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with electricity as the next fuel. Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels. Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties... You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you that they don't exist? You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all. Just cries for attention. What are you babbling about? In a few short years of building we now get almost 30% of our electricity generated from windmills and hopefully the remainder when we can figure out how to harness the power of the Fundy tides. Renewable endless supply... much more than this province will ever need. Maybe we'll sell a few megawatts to y'all south of the border. What are you babbling about? In the scheme of things, your province isn't even a speck on the electricity map. Besides: "At the end of 2011, wind power generating capacity was 5,265 megawatts (MW), providing some 2.3% of Canada's electricity demand." "In provinces like Nova Scotia, where only 12% of electricity comes from renewable sources..." ~snerk~ Does that mean that we should stop looking for alternatives to fossil fuels? Or do you think we should continue to try to develop long term solutions to the problem which IS fossil fuels? No, it means that bonnie was making up numbers, and even if his province got 100% of their power from windmills, it would be a tiny percentage of the power that the USA uses. It had absolutely nothing to do with your two questions. Why would you come to such an erroneous assumption? Because it's that shrill kind of deflection that they live on... I am waiting for him to come out, screaming, hands waving in the air, "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN, WHO IS GOING TO SAVE THE CHILDREN"!!!! That's why I have him blocked now again, these people are like irrational children here... Well, that insanity had NOTHING to do with the subject at hand. Are you out of meds? Did you even see my response? |
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