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....income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by
massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. |
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On 6/14/2012 9:49 AM, X ` Man wrote:
...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. The solution is simple. The poor need to work harder and the rich should stifle their entrepreneurial tendencies. Eventually we will reach equilibrium. Does that work for you Krausie baby? |
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On 6/14/2012 9:19 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 6/14/2012 9:49 AM, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. The solution is simple. The poor need to work harder and the rich should stifle their entrepreneurial tendencies. Eventually we will reach equilibrium. Does that work for you Krausie baby? Sounds pretty good! I'm getting tired of 55 to 65 hr work weeks with no vacation for the last 10 yrs. Now, how exactly do we get the bums that hang around the marina to work? Mikek |
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On 6/14/12 1:01 PM, amdx wrote:
On 6/14/2012 9:19 AM, Oscar wrote: On 6/14/2012 9:49 AM, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. The solution is simple. The poor need to work harder and the rich should stifle their entrepreneurial tendencies. Eventually we will reach equilibrium. Does that work for you Krausie baby? Sounds pretty good! I'm getting tired of 55 to 65 hr work weeks with no vacation for the last 10 yrs. Now, how exactly do we get the bums that hang around the marina to work? Mikek The disclaimer on my original post said it was for those who could actually think. It was from TED, after all. Oscar, obviously, was reaching and, as usual, his reach exceeded his grasp. |
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On 6/14/2012 2:42 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/14/12 1:01 PM, amdx wrote: On 6/14/2012 9:19 AM, Oscar wrote: On 6/14/2012 9:49 AM, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. The solution is simple. The poor need to work harder and the rich should stifle their entrepreneurial tendencies. Eventually we will reach equilibrium. Does that work for you Krausie baby? Sounds pretty good! I'm getting tired of 55 to 65 hr work weeks with no vacation for the last 10 yrs. Now, how exactly do we get the bums that hang around the marina to work? Mikek The disclaimer on my original post said it was for those who could actually think. It was from TED, after all. Oscar, obviously, was reaching and, as usual, his reach exceeded his grasp. Let's see an original thought from you, on topic. Oh wait. You've already disqualified yourself. |
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On 6/14/2012 1:42 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/14/12 1:01 PM, amdx wrote: On 6/14/2012 9:19 AM, Oscar wrote: On 6/14/2012 9:49 AM, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. The solution is simple. The poor need to work harder and the rich should stifle their entrepreneurial tendencies. Eventually we will reach equilibrium. Does that work for you Krausie baby? Sounds pretty good! I'm getting tired of 55 to 65 hr work weeks with no vacation for the last 10 yrs. Now, how exactly do we get the bums that hang around the marina to work? Mikek The disclaimer on my original post said it was for those who could actually think. It was from TED, after all. Oscar, obviously, was reaching and, as usual, his reach exceeded his grasp. I have watched a bunch of those talks over the he last few years. Some that come to mind are a couple by Dan Ariely and one where guys glide down the fiords in winged suits. I bought Dan's book called Predictably Irrational. Mikek |
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On 6/14/12 5:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 6/14/2012 1:42 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 6/14/12 1:01 PM, amdx wrote: On 6/14/2012 9:19 AM, Oscar wrote: On 6/14/2012 9:49 AM, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. The solution is simple. The poor need to work harder and the rich should stifle their entrepreneurial tendencies. Eventually we will reach equilibrium. Does that work for you Krausie baby? Sounds pretty good! I'm getting tired of 55 to 65 hr work weeks with no vacation for the last 10 yrs. Now, how exactly do we get the bums that hang around the marina to work? Mikek The disclaimer on my original post said it was for those who could actually think. It was from TED, after all. Oscar, obviously, was reaching and, as usual, his reach exceeded his grasp. I have watched a bunch of those talks over the he last few years. Some that come to mind are a couple by Dan Ariely and one where guys glide down the fiords in winged suits. I bought Dan's book called Predictably Irrational. Mikek The TED symposiums and presenters typically are all first-rate. |
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man
wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. |
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On 6/14/2012 2:55 PM, X ` Man wrote:
The TED symposiums and presenters typically are all first-rate. That was a particularly good one however. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch |
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On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. |
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On Jun 15, 5:21*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
Risk what? * *Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it *as a "risk". * They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. *"If I exist, I deserve" *type of thinking. *I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. *The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch agreed! |
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"X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch |
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On 6/15/12 8:22 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch I know of and have read of too many instances where really hard-working people who were immensely valuable to their employers were dumped for all sorts of reasons, and virtually none of them were related to their job performance. |
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On 6/15/2012 6:40 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. What sort of employer do you recommend we trust? AND what should we trust him with? |
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On 6/15/2012 8:46 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/15/12 8:22 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch I know of and have read of too many instances where really hard-working people who were immensely valuable to their employers were dumped for all sorts of reasons, and virtually none of them were related to their job performance. Bull****...............You weren't listening to Eisboch............... Otherwise you wouldn't have made such a STUPID remark. |
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On Friday, June 15, 2012 8:46:37 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/15/12 8:22 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch I know of and have read of too many instances where really hard-working people who were immensely valuable to their employers were dumped for all sorts of reasons, and virtually none of them were related to their job performance. I know of and have read of too many instances where lazy, unproductive assholes were protected by the union and kept their fat, cushy union jobs even though they were lazy, unproductive assholes with no values to the company and deserved to be dumped. |
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On 6/15/2012 9:40 AM, wrote:
On Friday, June 15, 2012 8:46:37 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/15/12 8:22 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch I know of and have read of too many instances where really hard-working people who were immensely valuable to their employers were dumped for all sorts of reasons, and virtually none of them were related to their job performance. I know of and have read of too many instances where lazy, unproductive assholes were protected by the union and kept their fat, cushy union jobs even though they were lazy, unproductive assholes with no values to the company and deserved to be dumped. Oh hell yeah, the teamsters were bad with that... Guys that sat in the bathroom getting drunk all night were protected, another guy who ate a grape lost his job... |
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On 6/15/12 10:12 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/15/2012 9:40 AM, wrote: On Friday, June 15, 2012 8:46:37 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/15/12 8:22 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch I know of and have read of too many instances where really hard-working people who were immensely valuable to their employers were dumped for all sorts of reasons, and virtually none of them were related to their job performance. I know of and have read of too many instances where lazy, unproductive assholes were protected by the union and kept their fat, cushy union jobs even though they were lazy, unproductive assholes with no values to the company and deserved to be dumped. Oh hell yeah, the teamsters were bad with that... Guys that sat in the bathroom getting drunk all night were protected, another guy who ate a grape lost his job... Well, if you ever get another job, you might not want to sit on the toilet all night, drinking beer and eating grapes. |
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On Friday, June 15, 2012 10:12:32 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 6/15/2012 9:40 AM, wrote: On Friday, June 15, 2012 8:46:37 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/15/12 8:22 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch I know of and have read of too many instances where really hard-working people who were immensely valuable to their employers were dumped for all sorts of reasons, and virtually none of them were related to their job performance. I know of and have read of too many instances where lazy, unproductive assholes were protected by the union and kept their fat, cushy union jobs even though they were lazy, unproductive assholes with no values to the company and deserved to be dumped. Oh hell yeah, the teamsters were bad with that... Guys that sat in the bathroom getting drunk all night were protected, another guy who ate a grape lost his job... I know someone that worked at the Lordstown, Ohio GM plant back in the '70s. She intentionally shut down the assembly line, and the union protected her job. She told me many stories about how bad it was there, the UAW was screwed up. |
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On 6/15/2012 9:40 AM, wrote: On Friday, June 15, 2012 8:46:37 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/15/12 8:22 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch I know of and have read of too many instances where really hard-working people who were immensely valuable to their employers were dumped for all sorts of reasons, and virtually none of them were related to their job performance. I know of and have read of too many instances where lazy, unproductive assholes were protected by the union and kept their fat, cushy union jobs even though they were lazy, unproductive assholes with no values to the company and deserved to be dumped. Oh hell yeah, the teamsters were bad with that... Guys that sat in the bathroom getting drunk all night were protected, another guy who ate a grape lost his job... Yeah, sure.... |
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On Friday, June 15, 2012 10:12:32 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote: On 6/15/2012 9:40 AM, wrote: On Friday, June 15, 2012 8:46:37 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/15/12 8:22 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch I know of and have read of too many instances where really hard-working people who were immensely valuable to their employers were dumped for all sorts of reasons, and virtually none of them were related to their job performance. I know of and have read of too many instances where lazy, unproductive assholes were protected by the union and kept their fat, cushy union jobs even though they were lazy, unproductive assholes with no values to the company and deserved to be dumped. Oh hell yeah, the teamsters were bad with that... Guys that sat in the bathroom getting drunk all night were protected, another guy who ate a grape lost his job... I know someone that worked at the Lordstown, Ohio GM plant back in the '70s. She intentionally shut down the assembly line, and the union protected her job. She told me many stories about how bad it was there, the UAW was screwed up. snerk I know someone who shut down the automated cart line at a USPS bulk mail facility in order to save the life of a worker who had collapsed. The autocart emergency shut off bumpers were not working properly, so the employee jumped up and pulled the safety shut off rope. She received commendations from the union and the USPS. |
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:40:18 -0400, X ` Man
wrote: *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. === So in your fantasy dream world all employers would be non-profit? That of course begs the question of who would provide the initial funding for such an organization, and how would future expansion be funded, not to mention research and development? The answer is that no one would since there is no motivation. Your entirely predictable answer will be to tax the rich. How long would there be "rich" to tax in such a scenario? Investment capital would vanish from this country in the blink of an eye. |
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On 6/15/12 11:25 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:40:18 -0400, X ` wrote: *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. === So in your fantasy dream world all employers would be non-profit? No, whine, I don't believe all employers should be non-profit. |
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:21:34 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"jps" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch Methinks you've missed the point, Richard. Did you look up the talk that I referenced? |
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:40:40 -0400, X ` Man
wrote: On 6/15/12 11:25 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:40:18 -0400, X ` wrote: *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. === So in your fantasy dream world all employers would be non-profit? No, whine, I don't believe all employers should be non-profit. === Your juvenile name calling is just so cute, and a sure sign that you've lost the discussion. |
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On 6/15/12 12:58 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:40:40 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 6/15/12 11:25 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:40:18 -0400, X ` wrote: *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. === So in your fantasy dream world all employers would be non-profit? No, whine, I don't believe all employers should be non-profit. === Your juvenile name calling is just so cute, and a sure sign that you've lost the discussion. The reality is, whine, I never said or even implied "all employers should be non-profit." That's something you made up. I said "never trust" a "for-profit" employer. I know language is not your forte, but did assume you could read and understand relatively simple sentences. |
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On 6/15/2012 1:02 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/15/12 12:58 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:40:40 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 6/15/12 11:25 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:40:18 -0400, X ` wrote: *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. === So in your fantasy dream world all employers would be non-profit? No, whine, I don't believe all employers should be non-profit. === Your juvenile name calling is just so cute, and a sure sign that you've lost the discussion. The reality is, whine, I never said or even implied "all employers should be non-profit." That's something you made up. I said "never trust" a "for-profit" employer. I know language is not your forte, but did assume you could read and understand relatively simple sentences. I wonder if you would recommend that non profit employers shouldn't be trusted as well? How about employees, public servants, clergy, politicians, good samaritans? In your version of reality, can anyone be trusted? |
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On 6/15/2012 1:20 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:40:40 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 6/15/12 11:25 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:40:18 -0400, X ` wrote: *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. === So in your fantasy dream world all employers would be non-profit? No, whine, I don't believe all employers should be non-profit. === Your juvenile name calling is just so cute, and a sure sign that you've lost the discussion. Yep! Finally! Something I can agree with you on. ;-) |
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...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries and drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every year. |
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On 6/15/12 8:22 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch I know of and have read of too many instances where really hard-working people who were immensely valuable to their employers were dumped for all sorts of reasons, and virtually none of them were related to their job performance. It's called outsourcing and it can be mitigated. |
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wrote: X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries and drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every year. Let's focus the light in a different way. We've stopped taking pride in our elementary to high school educational systems. We turn out not-college-ready candidates who cannot compete with overseas students for the best colleges. We turn out html coders instead of real engineers. |
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On 6/20/2012 2:57 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:07:37 -0400, wrote: X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries and drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every year. Let's focus the light in a different way. We've stopped taking pride in our elementary to high school educational systems. We turn out not-college-ready candidates who cannot compete with overseas students for the best colleges. We turn out html coders instead of real engineers. Agreed. HTML is a liberal arts discipline. Commerce and consumption is what the USA is all about; and HTML coding fits right in, along with other forms of communicating, like writing. |
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:07:37 -0400, Earl wrote: X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries and drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every year. Let's focus the light in a different way. We've stopped taking pride in our elementary to high school educational systems. We turn out not-college-ready candidates who cannot compete with overseas students for the best colleges. We turn out html coders instead of real engineers. ----------------------- And almost all that can be laid on the very liberal, who seem to run the teachers schools these days. They are the ones who want to ban grades and competitive scoring. Self esteem of the child is more important than actually learning. |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:10:43 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:07:37 -0400, Earl wrote: X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries and drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every year. Let's focus the light in a different way. We've stopped taking pride in our elementary to high school educational systems. We turn out not-college-ready candidates who cannot compete with overseas students for the best colleges. We turn out html coders instead of real engineers. ----------------------- And almost all that can be laid on the very liberal, who seem to run the teachers schools these days. They are the ones who want to ban grades and competitive scoring. Self esteem of the child is more important than actually learning. Yes, the "very liberal" are responsible for underfunding schools and fighting to keep their myopic view of science being science and not embracing the fundamentalist fantasy of intelligent design. How much wasted energy has gone into that bull**** and the fight about teaching sex ed? The states with the worst education outcomes are invariably the red states, which also suffer from the highest rate of teen pregnancy. |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:10:43 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:07:37 -0400, Earl wrote: X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries and drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every year. Let's focus the light in a different way. We've stopped taking pride in our elementary to high school educational systems. We turn out not-college-ready candidates who cannot compete with overseas students for the best colleges. We turn out html coders instead of real engineers. ----------------------- And almost all that can be laid on the very liberal, who seem to run the teachers schools these days. They are the ones who want to ban grades and competitive scoring. Self esteem of the child is more important than actually learning. Yes, the "very liberal" are responsible for underfunding schools and fighting to keep their myopic view of science being science and not embracing the fundamentalist fantasy of intelligent design. How much wasted energy has gone into that bull**** and the fight about teaching sex ed? The states with the worst education outcomes are invariably the red states, which also suffer from the highest rate of teen pregnancy. --------------------------------- Schools are not underfunded!!!! And funding does not seem to be related to results. Washington DC has over a 50% dropout rate, and also the highest per student funding in the country. What we have is a bloated bureaucracy sucking up enormous amounts of the school dollar. 20 years ago, there was 3 teachers per non-teaching in the system. Now it is 1:1. My generation sent man to the moon, using a slide rule for calculations. We could read and write when we left high school and went to college. Very few had to take bonehead English. We did not have a teachers aid in most class rooms, or 40 sub deans and other administrators. Now it is something like 80% require remedial English and math when entering college. Look at the amount of money the Federal government takes from schools! The Dept of Education has a $68 billion budget. How much waste in that funnel? How many strings are attached to the funds that are returned to the states? |
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On 6/20/2012 11:33 PM, Califbill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:10:43 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:07:37 -0400, Earl wrote: X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries and drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every year. Let's focus the light in a different way. We've stopped taking pride in our elementary to high school educational systems. We turn out not-college-ready candidates who cannot compete with overseas students for the best colleges. We turn out html coders instead of real engineers. ----------------------- And almost all that can be laid on the very liberal, who seem to run the teachers schools these days. They are the ones who want to ban grades and competitive scoring. Self esteem of the child is more important than actually learning. Yes, the "very liberal" are responsible for underfunding schools and fighting to keep their myopic view of science being science and not embracing the fundamentalist fantasy of intelligent design. How much wasted energy has gone into that bull**** and the fight about teaching sex ed? The states with the worst education outcomes are invariably the red states, which also suffer from the highest rate of teen pregnancy. --------------------------------- Schools are not underfunded!!!! And funding does not seem to be related to results. Washington DC has over a 50% dropout rate, and also the highest per student funding in the country. What we have is a bloated bureaucracy sucking up enormous amounts of the school dollar. 20 years ago, there was 3 teachers per non-teaching in the system. Now it is 1:1. My generation sent man to the moon, using a slide rule for calculations. We could read and write when we left high school and went to college. Very few had to take bonehead English. We did not have a teachers aid in most class rooms, or 40 sub deans and other administrators. Now it is something like 80% require remedial English and math when entering college. Look at the amount of money the Federal government takes from schools! The Dept of Education has a $68 billion budget. How much waste in that funnel? How many strings are attached to the funds that are returned to the states? You have it right... it's not the teachers, well, a lot of them suck too but the amount of non-teaching jobs within the system. Not to mention this whole bull**** of Teachers, firefighters, and Police really means, town workers, aids, and janitors... |
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