On Jun 21, 12:44*am, JustWait wrote:
On 6/20/2012 11:33 PM, Califbill wrote:









"jps" wrote in messagenews:6fs4u7puom4earek1ujhfrrd7g49b7j15p@4ax .com....

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:10:43 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in messagenews:4vs2u7pbb9sh913muusopkqdhnv34fq298@4ax .com....

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:07:37 -0400, Earl
wrote:

X ` Man wrote:
...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by
massive inequality.

TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by
recognized experts in many fields.

http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html

For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener.

We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired
result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare
slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put
a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries and
drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every
year.

Let's focus the light in a different way. We've stopped taking pride
in our elementary to high school educational systems. We turn out
not-college-ready candidates who cannot compete with overseas students
for the best colleges.

We turn out html coders instead of real engineers.

-----------------------
And almost all that can be laid on the very liberal, who seem to run the
teachers schools these days. They are the ones who want to ban grades and
competitive scoring. Self esteem of the child is more important than
actually learning.

Yes, the "very liberal" are responsible for underfunding schools and
fighting to keep their myopic view of science being science and not
embracing the fundamentalist fantasy of intelligent design.

How much wasted energy has gone into that bull**** and the fight about
teaching sex ed?

The states with the worst education outcomes are invariably the red
states, which also suffer from the highest rate of teen pregnancy.
---------------------------------
Schools are not underfunded!!!! And funding does not seem to be related
to results. Washington DC has over a 50% dropout rate, and also the
highest per student funding in the country. What we have is a bloated
bureaucracy sucking up enormous amounts of the school dollar. 20 years
ago, there was 3 teachers per non-teaching in the system. Now it is 1:1..
My generation sent man to the moon, using a slide rule for calculations..
We could read and write when we left high school and went to college.
Very few had to take bonehead English. We did not have a teachers aid in
most class rooms, or 40 sub deans and other administrators. Now it is
something like 80% require remedial English and math when entering
college. Look at the amount of money the Federal government takes from
schools! The Dept of Education has a $68 billion budget. How much waste
in that funnel? How many strings are attached to the funds that are
returned to the states?

You have it right... it's not the teachers, well, a lot of them suck too
but the amount of non-teaching jobs within the system. Not to mention
this whole bull**** of Teachers, firefighters, and Police really means,
town workers, aids, and janitors...

Why so against civic employees doing a necessary work?
You should try work sometime, you just might like it.

On 6/21/12 7:20 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 21, 12:44 am, JustWait wrote:
On 6/20/2012 11:33 PM, Califbill wrote:









"jps" wrote in messagenews:6fs4u7puom4earek1ujhfrrd7g49b7j15p@4ax .com...

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:10:43 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in messagenews:4vs2u7pbb9sh913muusopkqdhnv34fq298@4ax .com...

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:07:37 -0400, Earl
wrote:

X ` Man wrote:
...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by
massive inequality.

TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by
recognized experts in many fields.

http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html

For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener.

We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired
result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare
slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put
a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries and
drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every
year.

Let's focus the light in a different way. We've stopped taking pride
in our elementary to high school educational systems. We turn out
not-college-ready candidates who cannot compete with overseas students
for the best colleges.

We turn out html coders instead of real engineers.

-----------------------
And almost all that can be laid on the very liberal, who seem to run the
teachers schools these days. They are the ones who want to ban grades and
competitive scoring. Self esteem of the child is more important than
actually learning.

Yes, the "very liberal" are responsible for underfunding schools and
fighting to keep their myopic view of science being science and not
embracing the fundamentalist fantasy of intelligent design.

How much wasted energy has gone into that bull**** and the fight about
teaching sex ed?

The states with the worst education outcomes are invariably the red
states, which also suffer from the highest rate of teen pregnancy.
---------------------------------
Schools are not underfunded!!!! And funding does not seem to be related
to results. Washington DC has over a 50% dropout rate, and also the
highest per student funding in the country. What we have is a bloated
bureaucracy sucking up enormous amounts of the school dollar. 20 years
ago, there was 3 teachers per non-teaching in the system. Now it is 1:1.
My generation sent man to the moon, using a slide rule for calculations.
We could read and write when we left high school and went to college.
Very few had to take bonehead English. We did not have a teachers aid in
most class rooms, or 40 sub deans and other administrators. Now it is
something like 80% require remedial English and math when entering
college. Look at the amount of money the Federal government takes from
schools! The Dept of Education has a $68 billion budget. How much waste
in that funnel? How many strings are attached to the funds that are
returned to the states?

You have it right... it's not the teachers, well, a lot of them suck too
but the amount of non-teaching jobs within the system. Not to mention
this whole bull**** of Teachers, firefighters, and Police really means,
town workers, aids, and janitors...

Why so against civic employees doing a necessary work?
You should try work sometime, you just might like it.


My guess is that justsnotty tried many times to get a public employee
job but was turned down each time.

"North Star" wrote in message
...

On Jun 21, 12:44 am, JustWait wrote:
On 6/20/2012 11:33 PM, Califbill wrote:









"jps" wrote in messagenews:6fs4u7puom4earek1ujhfrrd7g49b7j15p@4ax .com...

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:10:43 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in
messagenews:4vs2u7pbb9sh913muusopkqdhnv34fq298@4ax .com...

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:07:37 -0400, Earl
wrote:

X ` Man wrote:
...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by
massive inequality.

TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects
by
recognized experts in many fields.

http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html

For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener.

We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired
result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare
slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put
a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries
and
drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every
year.

Let's focus the light in a different way. We've stopped taking pride
in our elementary to high school educational systems. We turn out
not-college-ready candidates who cannot compete with overseas students
for the best colleges.

We turn out html coders instead of real engineers.

-----------------------
And almost all that can be laid on the very liberal, who seem to run
the
teachers schools these days. They are the ones who want to ban grades
and
competitive scoring. Self esteem of the child is more important than
actually learning.

Yes, the "very liberal" are responsible for underfunding schools and
fighting to keep their myopic view of science being science and not
embracing the fundamentalist fantasy of intelligent design.

How much wasted energy has gone into that bull**** and the fight about
teaching sex ed?

The states with the worst education outcomes are invariably the red
states, which also suffer from the highest rate of teen pregnancy.
---------------------------------
Schools are not underfunded!!!! And funding does not seem to be related
to results. Washington DC has over a 50% dropout rate, and also the
highest per student funding in the country. What we have is a bloated
bureaucracy sucking up enormous amounts of the school dollar. 20 years
ago, there was 3 teachers per non-teaching in the system. Now it is 1:1.
My generation sent man to the moon, using a slide rule for calculations.
We could read and write when we left high school and went to college.
Very few had to take bonehead English. We did not have a teachers aid in
most class rooms, or 40 sub deans and other administrators. Now it is
something like 80% require remedial English and math when entering
college. Look at the amount of money the Federal government takes from
schools! The Dept of Education has a $68 billion budget. How much waste
in that funnel? How many strings are attached to the funds that are
returned to the states?

You have it right... it's not the teachers, well, a lot of them suck too
but the amount of non-teaching jobs within the system. Not to mention
this whole bull**** of Teachers, firefighters, and Police really means,
town workers, aids, and janitors...

Why so against civic employees doing a necessary work?
You should try work sometime, you just might like it.
-----------------------------
There is necessary work and then there is bloat. Most private companies
would be out of business if they wasted money like the government does these
days.

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:33:03 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:10:43 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:07:37 -0400, Earl
wrote:

X ` Man wrote:
...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by
massive inequality.

TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by
recognized experts in many fields.


http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html

For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener.

We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired
result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare
slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put
a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries and
drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every year.

Let's focus the light in a different way. We've stopped taking pride
in our elementary to high school educational systems. We turn out
not-college-ready candidates who cannot compete with overseas students
for the best colleges.

We turn out html coders instead of real engineers.


-----------------------
And almost all that can be laid on the very liberal, who seem to run the
teachers schools these days. They are the ones who want to ban grades and
competitive scoring. Self esteem of the child is more important than
actually learning.

Yes, the "very liberal" are responsible for underfunding schools and
fighting to keep their myopic view of science being science and not
embracing the fundamentalist fantasy of intelligent design.

How much wasted energy has gone into that bull**** and the fight about
teaching sex ed?

The states with the worst education outcomes are invariably the red
states, which also suffer from the highest rate of teen pregnancy.
---------------------------------
Schools are not underfunded!!!! And funding does not seem to be related to
results. Washington DC has over a 50% dropout rate, and also the highest
per student funding in the country. What we have is a bloated bureaucracy
sucking up enormous amounts of the school dollar. 20 years ago, there was 3
teachers per non-teaching in the system. Now it is 1:1. My generation sent
man to the moon, using a slide rule for calculations. We could read and
write when we left high school and went to college. Very few had to take
bonehead English. We did not have a teachers aid in most class rooms, or 40
sub deans and other administrators. Now it is something like 80% require
remedial English and math when entering college. Look at the amount of
money the Federal government takes from schools! The Dept of Education has
a $68 billion budget. How much waste in that funnel? How many strings are
attached to the funds that are returned to the states?

Duh, great funding isn't ever going to make up for extreme poverty.
You cite the worst example and expect the rest of your screed to be
consummable?

On Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:14:42 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:33:03 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:10:43 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:07:37 -0400, Earl
wrote:

X ` Man wrote:
...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by
massive inequality.

TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by
recognized experts in many fields.


http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html

For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener.

We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired
result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare
slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put
a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries and
drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every year.

Let's focus the light in a different way. We've stopped taking pride
in our elementary to high school educational systems. We turn out
not-college-ready candidates who cannot compete with overseas students
for the best colleges.

We turn out html coders instead of real engineers.


-----------------------
And almost all that can be laid on the very liberal, who seem to run the
teachers schools these days. They are the ones who want to ban grades and
competitive scoring. Self esteem of the child is more important than
actually learning.

Yes, the "very liberal" are responsible for underfunding schools and
fighting to keep their myopic view of science being science and not
embracing the fundamentalist fantasy of intelligent design.

How much wasted energy has gone into that bull**** and the fight about
teaching sex ed?

The states with the worst education outcomes are invariably the red
states, which also suffer from the highest rate of teen pregnancy.
---------------------------------
Schools are not underfunded!!!! And funding does not seem to be related to
results. Washington DC has over a 50% dropout rate, and also the highest
per student funding in the country. What we have is a bloated bureaucracy
sucking up enormous amounts of the school dollar. 20 years ago, there was 3
teachers per non-teaching in the system. Now it is 1:1. My generation sent
man to the moon, using a slide rule for calculations. We could read and
write when we left high school and went to college. Very few had to take
bonehead English. We did not have a teachers aid in most class rooms, or 40
sub deans and other administrators. Now it is something like 80% require
remedial English and math when entering college. Look at the amount of
money the Federal government takes from schools! The Dept of Education has
a $68 billion budget. How much waste in that funnel? How many strings are
attached to the funds that are returned to the states?

Duh, great funding isn't ever going to make up for extreme poverty.
You cite the worst example and expect the rest of your screed to be
consummable?

Yet you wrote:
"The states with the worst education outcomes are invariably the red
states, which also suffer from the highest rate of teen pregnancy."

Duh, many of those red states are very rural and also have high poverty rates in those areas. From your own assertion, sounds like being "red" has little to do with anything. Is it red, or is it poverty?

You blew your own argument right out of the water.

North Star wrote:
On Jun 21, 12:44 am, JustWait wrote:
On 6/20/2012 11:33 PM, Califbill wrote:









"jps" wrote in messagenews:6fs4u7puom4earek1ujhfrrd7g49b7j15p@4ax .com...
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:10:43 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:
"jps" wrote in messagenews:4vs2u7pbb9sh913muusopkqdhnv34fq298@4ax .com...
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:07:37 -0400, Earl
wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by
massive inequality.
TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by
recognized experts in many fields.
http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html
For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener.
We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired
result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare
slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put
a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries and
drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every
year.
Let's focus the light in a different way. We've stopped taking pride
in our elementary to high school educational systems. We turn out
not-college-ready candidates who cannot compete with overseas students
for the best colleges.
We turn out html coders instead of real engineers.
-----------------------
And almost all that can be laid on the very liberal, who seem to run the
teachers schools these days. They are the ones who want to ban grades and
competitive scoring. Self esteem of the child is more important than
actually learning.
Yes, the "very liberal" are responsible for underfunding schools and
fighting to keep their myopic view of science being science and not
embracing the fundamentalist fantasy of intelligent design.
How much wasted energy has gone into that bull**** and the fight about
teaching sex ed?
The states with the worst education outcomes are invariably the red
states, which also suffer from the highest rate of teen pregnancy.
---------------------------------
Schools are not underfunded!!!! And funding does not seem to be related
to results. Washington DC has over a 50% dropout rate, and also the
highest per student funding in the country. What we have is a bloated
bureaucracy sucking up enormous amounts of the school dollar. 20 years
ago, there was 3 teachers per non-teaching in the system. Now it is 1:1.
My generation sent man to the moon, using a slide rule for calculations.
We could read and write when we left high school and went to college.
Very few had to take bonehead English. We did not have a teachers aid in
most class rooms, or 40 sub deans and other administrators. Now it is
something like 80% require remedial English and math when entering
college. Look at the amount of money the Federal government takes from
schools! The Dept of Education has a $68 billion budget. How much waste
in that funnel? How many strings are attached to the funds that are
returned to the states?
You have it right... it's not the teachers, well, a lot of them suck too
but the amount of non-teaching jobs within the system. Not to mention
this whole bull**** of Teachers, firefighters, and Police really means,
town workers, aids, and janitors...
Why so against civic employees doing a necessary work?
You should try work sometime, you just might like it.
Your English is atrocious. Please stop correcting typos until you
finish high school.

On Jun 21, 9:04*pm, Earl wrote:
North Star wrote:
On Jun 21, 12:44 am, JustWait wrote:
On 6/20/2012 11:33 PM, Califbill wrote:

"jps" wrote in messagenews:6fs4u7puom4earek1ujhfrrd7g49b7j15p@4ax .com....
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:10:43 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:
"jps" wrote in messagenews:4vs2u7pbb9sh913muusopkqdhnv34fq298@4ax .com...
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:07:37 -0400, Earl
wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by
massive inequality.
TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by
recognized experts in many fields.
http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html
For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener.
We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired
result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare
slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put
a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries and
drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every
year.
Let's focus the light in a different way. We've stopped taking pride
in our elementary to high school educational systems. We turn out
not-college-ready candidates who cannot compete with overseas students
for the best colleges.
We turn out html coders instead of real engineers.
-----------------------
And almost all that can be laid on the very liberal, who seem to run the
teachers schools these days. They are the ones who want to ban grades and
competitive scoring. Self esteem of the child is more important than
actually learning.
Yes, the "very liberal" are responsible for underfunding schools and
fighting to keep their myopic view of science being science and not
embracing the fundamentalist fantasy of intelligent design.
How much wasted energy has gone into that bull**** and the fight about
teaching sex ed?
The states with the worst education outcomes are invariably the red
states, which also suffer from the highest rate of teen pregnancy.
---------------------------------
Schools are not underfunded!!!! And funding does not seem to be related
to results. Washington DC has over a 50% dropout rate, and also the
highest per student funding in the country. What we have is a bloated
bureaucracy sucking up enormous amounts of the school dollar. 20 years
ago, there was 3 teachers per non-teaching in the system. Now it is 1:1.
My generation sent man to the moon, using a slide rule for calculations.
We could read and write when we left high school and went to college.
Very few had to take bonehead English. We did not have a teachers aid in
most class rooms, or 40 sub deans and other administrators. Now it is
something like 80% require remedial English and math when entering
college. Look at the amount of money the Federal government takes from
schools! The Dept of Education has a $68 billion budget. How much waste
in that funnel? How many strings are attached to the funds that are
returned to the states?
You have it right... it's not the teachers, well, a lot of them suck too
but the amount of non-teaching jobs within the system. Not to mention
this whole bull**** of Teachers, firefighters, and Police really means,
town workers, aids, and janitors...
Why so against civic employees doing a necessary work?
You should try work sometime, you just might like it.

Your English is atrocious. *Please stop correcting typos until you
finish high school.

I was talking 'merican to the Ponytail.

North Star wrote:
On Jun 21, 9:04 pm, Earl wrote:
North Star wrote:
On Jun 21, 12:44 am, JustWait wrote:
On 6/20/2012 11:33 PM, Califbill wrote:
"jps" wrote in messagenews:6fs4u7puom4earek1ujhfrrd7g49b7j15p@4ax .com...
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:10:43 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:
"jps" wrote in messagenews:4vs2u7pbb9sh913muusopkqdhnv34fq298@4ax .com...
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:07:37 -0400, Earl
wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by
massive inequality.
TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by
recognized experts in many fields.
http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html
For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener.
We all know that statistics can be manipulated to reach a desired
result. That said, there are too many illegal aliens and welfare
slouches in our country. They skew the statistics considerably and put
a bad light on the US. Returning the aliens to their home countries and
drug testing the welfare recipients would save the US billions every
year.
Let's focus the light in a different way. We've stopped taking pride
in our elementary to high school educational systems. We turn out
not-college-ready candidates who cannot compete with overseas students
for the best colleges.
We turn out html coders instead of real engineers.
-----------------------
And almost all that can be laid on the very liberal, who seem to run the
teachers schools these days. They are the ones who want to ban grades and
competitive scoring. Self esteem of the child is more important than
actually learning.
Yes, the "very liberal" are responsible for underfunding schools and
fighting to keep their myopic view of science being science and not
embracing the fundamentalist fantasy of intelligent design.
How much wasted energy has gone into that bull**** and the fight about
teaching sex ed?
The states with the worst education outcomes are invariably the red
states, which also suffer from the highest rate of teen pregnancy.
---------------------------------
Schools are not underfunded!!!! And funding does not seem to be related
to results. Washington DC has over a 50% dropout rate, and also the
highest per student funding in the country. What we have is a bloated
bureaucracy sucking up enormous amounts of the school dollar. 20 years
ago, there was 3 teachers per non-teaching in the system. Now it is 1:1.
My generation sent man to the moon, using a slide rule for calculations.
We could read and write when we left high school and went to college.
Very few had to take bonehead English. We did not have a teachers aid in
most class rooms, or 40 sub deans and other administrators. Now it is
something like 80% require remedial English and math when entering
college. Look at the amount of money the Federal government takes from
schools! The Dept of Education has a $68 billion budget. How much waste
in that funnel? How many strings are attached to the funds that are
returned to the states?
You have it right... it's not the teachers, well, a lot of them suck too
but the amount of non-teaching jobs within the system. Not to mention
this whole bull**** of Teachers, firefighters, and Police really means,
town workers, aids, and janitors...
Why so against civic employees doing a necessary work?
You should try work sometime, you just might like it.
Your English is atrocious. Please stop correcting typos until you
finish high school.
I was talking 'merican to the Ponytail.

Nice try, but American's can speak, and type, proper English.

On 6/22/12 9:42 PM, Earl wrote:


Nice try, but American's can speak, and type, proper English.

Your posts here indicate you are barely literate.

"American's," eh?
"speak, and type," eh?
"proper English," eh?

Beyond what is the generally accepted "standard" of English in an
Anglophone country, Earl, just what do you mean by "proper English"?

Right-wing dumfochs...they're destroying civilization.

On 6/23/2012 6:21 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/22/12 9:42 PM, Earl wrote:


Nice try, but American's can speak, and type, proper English.

Your posts here indicate you are barely literate.

"American's," eh?
"speak, and type," eh?
"proper English," eh?

Beyond what is the generally accepted "standard" of English in an
Anglophone country, Earl, just what do you mean by "proper English"?

Right-wing dumfochs...they're destroying civilization.





Segway right into you spoutin off some of your book learnin.