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Sea Level Bill Would Allow North Carolina to Stick Its Head in the Sand A bill moving through the state legislature would allow developers to ignore sea level predictions based on global warming Wading into the turbulent debate over global warming, North Carolina's state legislature is considering a bill that would require the government to ignore new reports of rising sea levels and predictions of ocean and climate scientists. *Business interests* along the state's coastline pushed lawmakers to include language in a law that would require future sea level estimates to be based only on data from past years. New evidence, especially on sea level rise that could be tied to global warming, would not be factored into the state's development plans for the coast. "We're skeptical of the rising sea level science," says Tom Thompson, chairman of NC-20, an economic development group representing the state's 20 coastal counties. "Our concern is that the economy could be tremendously impacted by a hypothetical number with nothing but computers and speculation." That 'hypothetical number' came from the state’s Coastal Resources Commission, which recommended planning around a 39-inch rise in sea level by 2100. At the behest of NC-20 and coastal governments, the commission decided to remove the number from its policy entirely. "Originally we did have the 39-inch recommendation, but the commission chose to remove that," says Michele Walker, spokeswoman for the North Carolina Coastal Resources Commission. "We got a lot of pushback from coastal governments and groups who were concerned that would hurt their ability to develop in their communities." The bill is still in its early stages, but the section stirring up controversy states: "These rates shall only be determined using historical data, and these data shall be limited to the time period following the year 1900. Rates of seas-level rise may be extrapolated linearly…" The parts about using only historical data, which shows a slow, linear sea-level rise—not the faster increases associated with global warming—have drawn the most ire from scientists. "Cleary they don't understand science at all – (sea level rise) hasn't been linear," says Stan Riggs, a professor at East Carolina University who is an expert on the state's coastline. "To put blinders on and just say we don't accept what's happening on our coast is absolutely criminal." "But the people that live out there that aren't developers are all on board. It's the managers and developers who want to keep the status quo. They're making a lot of money off of it," Riggs added. - - - Ignorance and stupidity, backed up by commercial greed. Here's an idea...let the business owners who want to build in the future flood zone pay for their own infrastructure *and* force them to self insure so taxpayers and policy holders elsewhere don't end up paying for their folly. |
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On Jun 2, 2:08*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote: ...southern dumb: Sea Level Bill Would Allow North Carolina to Stick Its Head in the Sand A bill moving through the state legislature would allow developers to ignore sea level predictions based on global warming Wading into the turbulent debate over global warming, North Carolina's state legislature is considering a bill that would require the government to ignore new reports of rising sea levels and predictions of ocean and climate scientists. *Business interests* along the state's coastline pushed lawmakers to include language in a law that would require future sea level estimates to be based only on data from past years. New evidence, especially on sea level rise that could be tied to global warming, would not be factored into the state's development plans for the coast. "We're skeptical of the rising sea level science," says Tom Thompson, chairman of NC-20, an economic development group representing the state's 20 coastal counties. "Our concern is that the economy could be tremendously impacted by a hypothetical number with nothing but computers and speculation." That 'hypothetical number' came from the state’s Coastal Resources Commission, which recommended planning around a 39-inch rise in sea level by 2100. At the behest of NC-20 and coastal governments, the commission decided to remove the number from its policy entirely. "Originally we did have the 39-inch recommendation, but the commission chose to remove that," says Michele Walker, spokeswoman for the North Carolina Coastal Resources Commission. "We got a lot of pushback from coastal governments and groups who were concerned that would hurt their ability to develop in their communities." The bill is still in its early stages, but the section stirring up controversy states: "These rates shall only be determined using historical data, and these data shall be limited to the time period following the year 1900. Rates of seas-level rise may be extrapolated linearly…" The parts about using only historical data, which shows a slow, linear sea-level rise—not the faster increases associated with global warming—have drawn the most ire from scientists. "Cleary they don't understand science at all – (sea level rise) hasn't been linear," says Stan Riggs, a professor at East Carolina University who is an expert on the state's coastline. "To put blinders on and just say we don't accept what's happening on our coast is absolutely criminal." "But the people that live out there that aren't developers are all on board. It's the managers and developers who want to keep the status quo. They're making a lot of money off of it," Riggs added. - - - Ignorance and stupidity, backed up by commercial greed. *Here's an idea...let the business owners who want to build in the future flood zone pay for their own infrastructure *and* force them to self insure so taxpayers and policy holders elsewhere don't end up paying for their folly. Mans greed will be his downfall...... |
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*e#c wrote:
On Jun 2, 2:08 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: ...southern dumb: Sea Level Bill Would Allow North Carolina to Stick Its Head in the Sand A bill moving through the state legislature would allow developers to ignore sea level predictions based on global warming Wading into the turbulent debate over global warming, North Carolina's state legislature is considering a bill that would require the government to ignore new reports of rising sea levels and predictions of ocean and climate scientists. *Business interests* along the state's coastline pushed lawmakers to include language in a law that would require future sea level estimates to be based only on data from past years. New evidence, especially on sea level rise that could be tied to global warming, would not be factored into the state's development plans for the coast. "We're skeptical of the rising sea level science," says Tom Thompson, chairman of NC-20, an economic development group representing the state's 20 coastal counties. "Our concern is that the economy could be tremendously impacted by a hypothetical number with nothing but computers and speculation." That 'hypothetical number' came from the state’s Coastal Resources Commission, which recommended planning around a 39-inch rise in sea level by 2100. At the behest of NC-20 and coastal governments, the commission decided to remove the number from its policy entirely. "Originally we did have the 39-inch recommendation, but the commission chose to remove that," says Michele Walker, spokeswoman for the North Carolina Coastal Resources Commission. "We got a lot of pushback from coastal governments and groups who were concerned that would hurt their ability to develop in their communities." The bill is still in its early stages, but the section stirring up controversy states: "These rates shall only be determined using historical data, and these data shall be limited to the time period following the year 1900. Rates of seas-level rise may be extrapolated linearly…" The parts about using only historical data, which shows a slow, linear sea-level rise—not the faster increases associated with global warming—have drawn the most ire from scientists. "Cleary they don't understand science at all – (sea level rise) hasn't been linear," says Stan Riggs, a professor at East Carolina University who is an expert on the state's coastline. "To put blinders on and just say we don't accept what's happening on our coast is absolutely criminal." "But the people that live out there that aren't developers are all on board. It's the managers and developers who want to keep the status quo. They're making a lot of money off of it," Riggs added. - - - Ignorance and stupidity, backed up by commercial greed. Here's an idea...let the business owners who want to build in the future flood zone pay for their own infrastructure *and* force them to self insure so taxpayers and policy holders elsewhere don't end up paying for their folly. Mans greed will be his downfall...... Reported as dumb spam. |
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On 6/2/2012 10:18 PM, Earl wrote:
*e#c wrote: On Jun 2, 2:08 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: ...southern dumb: Sea Level Bill Would Allow North Carolina to Stick Its Head in the Sand A bill moving through the state legislature would allow developers to ignore sea level predictions based on global warming Wading into the turbulent debate over global warming, North Carolina's state legislature is considering a bill that would require the government to ignore new reports of rising sea levels and predictions of ocean and climate scientists. *Business interests* along the state's coastline pushed lawmakers to include language in a law that would require future sea level estimates to be based only on data from past years. New evidence, especially on sea level rise that could be tied to global warming, would not be factored into the state's development plans for the coast. "We're skeptical of the rising sea level science," says Tom Thompson, chairman of NC-20, an economic development group representing the state's 20 coastal counties. "Our concern is that the economy could be tremendously impacted by a hypothetical number with nothing but computers and speculation." That 'hypothetical number' came from the state’s Coastal Resources Commission, which recommended planning around a 39-inch rise in sea level by 2100. At the behest of NC-20 and coastal governments, the commission decided to remove the number from its policy entirely. "Originally we did have the 39-inch recommendation, but the commission chose to remove that," says Michele Walker, spokeswoman for the North Carolina Coastal Resources Commission. "We got a lot of pushback from coastal governments and groups who were concerned that would hurt their ability to develop in their communities." The bill is still in its early stages, but the section stirring up controversy states: "These rates shall only be determined using historical data, and these data shall be limited to the time period following the year 1900. Rates of seas-level rise may be extrapolated linearly…" The parts about using only historical data, which shows a slow, linear sea-level rise—not the faster increases associated with global warming—have drawn the most ire from scientists. "Cleary they don't understand science at all – (sea level rise) hasn't been linear," says Stan Riggs, a professor at East Carolina University who is an expert on the state's coastline. "To put blinders on and just say we don't accept what's happening on our coast is absolutely criminal." "But the people that live out there that aren't developers are all on board. It's the managers and developers who want to keep the status quo. They're making a lot of money off of it," Riggs added. - - - Ignorance and stupidity, backed up by commercial greed. Here's an idea...let the business owners who want to build in the future flood zone pay for their own infrastructure *and* force them to self insure so taxpayers and policy holders elsewhere don't end up paying for their folly. Mans greed will be his downfall...... Reported as dumb spam. They must have started the pre meds on him. |
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On 6/2/2012 2:08 PM, X ` Man wrote:
...southern dumb: Sea Level Bill Would Allow North Carolina to Stick Its Head in the Sand A bill moving through the state legislature would allow developers to ignore sea level predictions based on global warming Wading into the turbulent debate over global warming, North Carolina's state legislature is considering a bill that would require the government to ignore new reports of rising sea levels and predictions of ocean and climate scientists. *Business interests* along the state's coastline pushed lawmakers to include language in a law that would require future sea level estimates to be based only on data from past years. New evidence, especially on sea level rise that could be tied to global warming, would not be factored into the state's development plans for the coast. "We're skeptical of the rising sea level science," says Tom Thompson, chairman of NC-20, an economic development group representing the state's 20 coastal counties. "Our concern is that the economy could be tremendously impacted by a hypothetical number with nothing but computers and speculation." That 'hypothetical number' came from the state’s Coastal Resources Commission, which recommended planning around a 39-inch rise in sea level by 2100. At the behest of NC-20 and coastal governments, the commission decided to remove the number from its policy entirely. "Originally we did have the 39-inch recommendation, but the commission chose to remove that," says Michele Walker, spokeswoman for the North Carolina Coastal Resources Commission. "We got a lot of pushback from coastal governments and groups who were concerned that would hurt their ability to develop in their communities." The bill is still in its early stages, but the section stirring up controversy states: "These rates shall only be determined using historical data, and these data shall be limited to the time period following the year 1900. Rates of seas-level rise may be extrapolated linearly…" The parts about using only historical data, which shows a slow, linear sea-level rise—not the faster increases associated with global warming—have drawn the most ire from scientists. "Cleary they don't understand science at all – (sea level rise) hasn't been linear," says Stan Riggs, a professor at East Carolina University who is an expert on the state's coastline. "To put blinders on and just say we don't accept what's happening on our coast is absolutely criminal." "But the people that live out there that aren't developers are all on board. It's the managers and developers who want to keep the status quo. They're making a lot of money off of it," Riggs added. - - - Ignorance and stupidity, backed up by commercial greed. Here's an , idea...let the business owners who want to build in the future flood zone pay for their own infrastructure *and* force them to self insure so taxpayers and policy holders elsewhere don't end up paying for their folly. Under Bush Developers started building in flood plains and FLOOD WAYS, in addition they are now permitted to fill in flood plains at least around here. All of this means higher insurance premiums and forcing flooding onto people who would otherwise not be at risk of flooding. |
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On 6/3/2012 10:59 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 08:32:43 -0400, wrote: In , s says... On 6/2/2012 2:08 PM, X ` Man wrote: ...southern dumb: Sea Level Bill Would Allow North Carolina to Stick Its Head in the Sand A bill moving through the state legislature would allow developers to ignore sea level predictions based on global warming Wading into the turbulent debate over global warming, North Carolina's state legislature is considering a bill that would require the government to ignore new reports of rising sea levels and predictions of ocean and climate scientists. *Business interests* along the state's coastline pushed lawmakers to include language in a law that would require future sea level estimates to be based only on data from past years. New evidence, especially on sea level rise that could be tied to global warming, would not be factored into the state's development plans for the coast. "We're skeptical of the rising sea level science," says Tom Thompson, chairman of NC-20, an economic development group representing the state's 20 coastal counties. "Our concern is that the economy could be tremendously impacted by a hypothetical number with nothing but computers and speculation." That 'hypothetical number' came from the state?s Coastal Resources Commission, which recommended planning around a 39-inch rise in sea level by 2100. At the behest of NC-20 and coastal governments, the commission decided to remove the number from its policy entirely. "Originally we did have the 39-inch recommendation, but the commission chose to remove that," says Michele Walker, spokeswoman for the North Carolina Coastal Resources Commission. "We got a lot of pushback from coastal governments and groups who were concerned that would hurt their ability to develop in their communities." The bill is still in its early stages, but the section stirring up controversy states: "These rates shall only be determined using historical data, and these data shall be limited to the time period following the year 1900. Rates of seas-level rise may be extrapolated linearly?" The parts about using only historical data, which shows a slow, linear sea-level rise?not the faster increases associated with global warming?have drawn the most ire from scientists. "Cleary they don't understand science at all ? (sea level rise) hasn't been linear," says Stan Riggs, a professor at East Carolina University who is an expert on the state's coastline. "To put blinders on and just say we don't accept what's happening on our coast is absolutely criminal." "But the people that live out there that aren't developers are all on board. It's the managers and developers who want to keep the status quo. They're making a lot of money off of it," Riggs added. - - - Ignorance and stupidity, backed up by commercial greed. Here's an , idea...let the business owners who want to build in the future flood zone pay for their own infrastructure *and* force them to self insure so taxpayers and policy holders elsewhere don't end up paying for their folly. Under Bush Developers started building in flood plains and FLOOD WAYS, in addition they are now permitted to fill in flood plains at least around here. All of this means higher insurance premiums and forcing flooding onto people who would otherwise not be at risk of flooding. You must not be familiar with the several thousand years when people built their homes near rivers and farmed land near rivers. You also need to do some reading up on irrigation on how that works. You need to get a grip on how dikes, levees, bridges, and waterside buildings act as dams. http://citizensvoice.com/news/west-p...-dam-1.1202046 I live near a big river and I know how structures act as dams. Stupid rich people buying government and getting laws twisted so that they can build enormously expensive structures in harms way for the sake of a "view" runs insurance prices through the roof for everybody. You also didn't address the OP's original question. How does passing a law against natural forces prevent nature from taking its own course? People build where the money is. The good farm land is along rivers. The rivers are a method of transporting crops to markets. People have always been building, farming and living along rivers. Follow the Nile river through Egypt and you will see that all of the cities are along the river. All of the people live along the river. All of the food is produced along the river. Where is Paris? Where is London. Where is Rome? Where is Moscow? Where is Berlin? Where is Baghdad? Where is Venice? Where is Holland? Where is The Big Easy. |
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says... On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:44:12 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:12:10 -0400, Oscar wrote: Follow the Nile river through Egypt and you will see that all of the cities are along the river. All of the people live along the river. All of the food is produced along the river. Where is Paris? Where is London. Where is Rome? Where is Moscow? Where is Berlin? Where is Baghdad? Where is Venice? Where is Holland? Where is The Big Easy. I will take "what is the difference?" for $2000 Alex. My question is "what are hurricanes?" Then, for $5000, name the last major hurricane to hit Venice and Holland. Water is life. |
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